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Old Yesterday, 09:37 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
We are following two different strands of reality here.

We were discussing Bernie's contributions to the Democrats and you said he campaigned for Clinton. I thought you were being sarcastic because IMO, he only put in a half-assed effort.
He was a ball of fire for Clinton compared to how she acted towards Obama.

All this after his complaints of being unfairly treated by the DNC were met with "you aren't in the party, go eff yourself."

So, nah.
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Old Yesterday, 09:59 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Let's keep the issues in their columns. The discussion was about Sanders switching back and forth between Independent and Democratic Parties, and you can throw in Sanders getting mad that he didn't get the support from the DNC he felt as a Democratic Party candidate he was owed.

Do you see Bloomberg complaining the DNC isn't supporting him?

Back to who has done what. Bloomberg is getting a lot of flak tonight for all the Republicans he supported in the past.

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So the answer is, yes, Bloomberg has supported Democratic candidates. I'm not sure Sanders ever did contribute (time and support, not cash) to any Democratic candidates.
Oh yeah, he supported George W Bush for his... oh wait, no, he's the other one isn't he?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Sanders only reluctantly campaigned for Clinton. It took him a while to get over his sour grapes.

Sanders was holding rallies for Clinton across the country while she was disappearing for days at a time or holding private meetings with big donors (like H. Weinstein).
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Since conceding defeat in the primaries, Sanders has been one of the real champions of this campaign. He let his supporters yell at him and deride him as a sellout in bleak delegate breakfasts at the Democratic National Convention, in Philadelphia, as he endorsed Clinton and explained why they needed to do the same. He made getting support for her his priority, putting aside any subtle, undermining gestures that might have better preserved his rebel-rock-star status.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-d...illary-clinton

And Clinton still hasn't gotten over her sour grapes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/u...e-sanders.html

Clinton has never accepted responsibility for running an incompetent campaign that took her fans for granted and disparaged voters whose support she needed.
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Did you know that Trump is fatter than Bloomberg?
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Old Yesterday, 10:03 PM   #325
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Bloomberg? Hindenberg, more like...

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Also, on the debate stage he looked terrible in the clips I saw. Mumbling and stumbling all over his words. No, I haven't watched the whole debate, and few people will.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Oh yeah, he supported George W Bush for his... oh wait, no, he's the other one isn't he?
So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
He donated millions to elect republican Senator Pat Toomey in 2016. Bloomberg is part of the reason Trump got two Supreme Court justices.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He's already shown he can effectively answer charges.
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Bloomberg only has to convince the low information voter.
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Bloomberg can handle himself in a debate.
Is this him handling himself in a debate and effectively answering charges?

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I think he's toast. Very expensive toast. Not just avocado toast, but avocado and pheasant toast, monogrammed M.B. with gold sprinkles.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
Could we have some examples of contributions?
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I can't help but notice the irony: The candidate (Bloomberg) is donating to key influential legislators here rather than the big money going to influence the candidate.

Bloomberg isn't taking any donations from people trying to influence him. That's at least worth a second look.

I think at a minimum Bloomberg can beat Trump, no question.

I might prefer another candidate, but beating Trump trumps other reasons to pick a candidate.

I am not supporting Bloomberg at the moment so I don't need a bunch of arguments why he's more Republican than Progressive. I'm pretty sure he is. But I'm still not convinced Sanders is the safe choice.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Could we have some examples of contributions?
It will take some time to sort past the news media's distortions.
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I don't know anymore if Bloomberg can beat Trump: Bloomberg's stoicism in confrontations can be seen as Presidential, or it might be seen as passive and detached.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think he's toast. Very expensive toast. Not just avocado toast, but avocado and pheasant toast, monogrammed M.B. with gold sprinkles.
And this is why I kept telling people who claimed that he was trying to buy the election that it didn't matter how many billions you spend on advertising. If people don't like you or your policies, they aren't going to vote for you.
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Bloomberg is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a part of the problem that you guys need to solve in november: Rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer.
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And this is why I kept telling people who claimed that he was trying to buy the election that it didn't matter how many billions you spend on advertising. If people don't like you or your policies, they aren't going to vote for you.

Better odds than having ideas everyone likes but not having a few billion to lay out on testing the idea.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I don't know anymore if Bloomberg can beat Trump: Bloomberg's stoicism in confrontations can be seen as Presidential, or it might be seen as passive and detached.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AYUB3tQs80
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Better odds than having ideas everyone likes but not having a few billion to lay out on testing the idea.
Depends if you are talking having no money at all so that you can't get the idea out at all, in which case even someone with a few thousand dollars to spend has better odds, so that argument is pointless, or if you mean more than someone that had a few hundred thousand to throw about, at with point it all depends on how efficient you use it to build up your name recognition.

Once you get to the millions vs billions stage of US Politics, then it doesn't really make a lot of difference because you can get your message and name out out either way, and then it comes down to likability and policies.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Bloomberg is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a part of the problem that you guys need to solve in november: Rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer.
He’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing.
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Depends if you are talking having no money at all so that you can't get the idea out at all, in which case even someone with a few thousand dollars to spend has better odds, so that argument is pointless, or if you mean more than someone that had a few hundred thousand to throw about, at with point it all depends on how efficient you use it to build up your name recognition.

Once you get to the millions vs billions stage of US Politics, then it doesn't really make a lot of difference because you can get your message and name out out either way, and then it comes down to likability and policies.
I'd like it to be down to likability and policies without the required wealth check first.
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Who cares how much you can get done if your ideas are garbage?

If Bloomberg wants to put his wealth in a blind charitable trust and sign on to be chief of staff for whoever wins, then his point makes more sense. A president isn't the manager. He's the guy that hires managers.
Like Trump?

Sorry, semantics I guess, hiring managers is a function of management IMO
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It warms my cold dead heart to see Bloomberg getting gang-beat on live TV.
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I'd like it to be down to likability and policies without the required wealth check first.
Well, as I have said before, and am now saying again, I'm a firm believer that all candidates should all get a set amount for advertising and have to account for their spending to show they did not exceed it, and any political donations should only be allowed for the general campaign costs such as ad production, staff costs, travel, etc.

But hey, that's not the US way....

Until they decide to change, I have no issues with Billionaires throwing their money away, and I am sure those that get it thrown to them don't mind either...
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