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Old 27th September 2019, 06:32 AM   #161
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I don't believe that is all that clear.

The Justice Department has wide latitude to interpret the requirements of such laws and told the DNI that the whistleblower law didn't apply here. The DNI is bound to follow their advice.

Whether Justice came to the right conclusion may be debatable, but there's an argument that the whistleblower law was for finding issues in the intelligence community and the president isn't part of that community. There's an argument to be had there.
The Justice Department is run by Bill Barr, who Trump mentions by name in the "Transcript" as someone Trump will tell to call the Ukrainian government to "get to the bottom" of the Biden allegations.

Did Barr know about the DoJ going through the process to make that determination? Did he recuse himself from the discussion? Barr might argue that the DoJ decision was correct, but he should not have been the one making that decision in the first place.
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Old 27th September 2019, 06:40 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
It is, after all, the crux of the biscuit.
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Old 27th September 2019, 06:51 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
I don't believe that is all that clear.

The Justice Department has wide latitude to interpret the requirements of such laws and told the DNI that the whistleblower law didn't apply here. The DNI is bound to follow their advice.

Whether Justice came to the right conclusion may be debatable, but there's an argument that the whistleblower law was for finding issues in the intelligence community and the president isn't part of that community. There's an argument to be had there.
Maybe he was bound to follow their advice, but then maybe he should have written his own complaint about how the DoJ handled the situation to assist Trump's cover-up.
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Old 27th September 2019, 06:56 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

The President of Ukraine said that he was NOT pressured by me to do anything wrong. Can’t have better testimony than that! As V.P., Biden had his son, on the other hand, take out millions of dollars by strong arming the Ukrainian President. Also looted millions from China. Bad!
Trump & Zelensky had another phone call yesterday:

Zelensky: Gosh, those reporters over there are off the hook.
Trump: Fake News! Enemy of the people!
Zelensky: I am behind you 100%, and I'll support your story.
Trump: That's beautifully perfect and honorable!
Zelensky: Thanks. I wanted to talk to you about much more aid.
Trump: I don't know, I'm in a fight for my life right now.
Zelensky: It's OK, I get it. Wouldn't it be a shame if someone in my administration released the real transcript. But, I'll do everything I can to prevent it, if only I didn't have those damn Russians distracting me...
Trump:
Zelensky: It would be a shame if... well, I'm sure you can imagine...
Trump: You're a strong and powerful ally, I'll do what I can...
Zelensky: You are too kind, Sir. Keep your eyes on the ball... Sir.
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Old 27th September 2019, 06:57 AM   #165
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Oui. Vous avez raison.
Oui, comme d'habitude.
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Old 27th September 2019, 06:59 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
The whistleblower whose complaint has led to an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is a CIA officer, US media report.

So Trump was right: they are a spy!

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Old 27th September 2019, 07:00 AM   #167
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Fake claims of grandiose wealth are a dime-a-dozen in the wannabe billionaire set. What he is frightened of is revealing how and where he got his income.
Of course he is. He lost all of daddy's money and only stayed afloat enabling Russian money laundering. He definitely doesn't want that out in the open. I don't think his ego would take it.
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:05 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Why? there's a perfectly good Dambusters movie that will be more true to the events, ethos and spirit of the time than anything Peter Jackson could spew up.
Yes, and it was called Star Wars.
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:07 AM   #169
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump's version would be the Dum Blusters.
Or Dumb Lusters?
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:08 AM   #170
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
So Trump was right: they are a spy!


That's got to be a violation of some sort of non-disclosure agreement, right? That's exactly what Trump has been looking for to stop the impeachment in the courts.

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Speaking after arriving at Andrews Air Force Base, Trump questioned if the investigation could be halted through court action.

"What these guys are doing – Democrats – are doing to this country is a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed," Trump said. "There should be a way of stopping it. Maybe legally through the courts."
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:10 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Wait until Donny finds out that even Hannity thinks this is "really bad".

“It’s Management Bedlam”: Madness at Fox News as Trump Faces Impeachment
Oh, if Fox really is preparing for a post-Trump world, it's all but over for him.

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Looking forward to Trump declaring that Fox is fake news too.
Except this time, he won't control the narrative.
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:28 AM   #172
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I re'eally do'n't se'e wha't th'e b'ig is'ssue i's. Perfectly understandable to me.
Dude, that completely changes the meaning of those words!
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Old 27th September 2019, 07:53 AM   #173
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He can't release them, he's being audited by the IRS.

Speaking of which, a rumor is spreading that a second whistleblower is surfacing, encouraged by the first, and this one's IRS. I doubt it's true but I mention it now so I'll look super prescient and smart if it happens.
Another one from the IRS?

Or is this the one from before this particular whistleblowing caught the attention of much more of the media, where the complaint was that Trump and his lackeys had been taking... distinctly inappropriate actions to influence the audit.
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Old 27th September 2019, 08:20 AM   #174
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The SFX in Dambusters are laughable by today's standards. I hear Peter Jackson was inspired to do better when he saw the canyon scene from Star Wars.
Real Lancasters!
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Old 27th September 2019, 08:27 AM   #175
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The Democrats are now to be known as the DO NOTHING PARTY!

Sounding more and more like the so-called Whistleblower isn’t a Whistleblower at all. In addition, all second hand information that proved to be so inaccurate that there may not have even been somebody else, a leaker or spy, feeding it to him or her? A partisan operative?
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Old 27th September 2019, 08:35 AM   #176
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That's got to be a violation of some sort of non-disclosure agreement, right? That's exactly what Trump has been looking for to stop the impeachment in the courts.
Trump has never understood the Constitution and the system of checks and balances.

He doesn't know that Impeachment cannot be stopped by the courts. They don't have that authority. Now, theoretically, the Supreme Court could make some farcical ruling but it wouldn't be based on the law. At which point the whole system will have crashed. Because at that point, the House would have to ignore the court and there goes 200 years of judicial review or cave and give up any power the legislative branch has.
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Old 27th September 2019, 08:44 AM   #177
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Speaking of which, a rumor is spreading that a second whistleblower is surfacing, encouraged by the first, and this one's IRS. I doubt it's true but I mention it now so I'll look super prescient and smart if it happens.
Actually if its the same case I'm thinking of, its already been mentioned on this forum before.

The other whistleblower is claiming that Trump is trying to illegally influence the audits of his personal tax returns. That case actually came first (reported in July), and unlike the Ukranian case, was reported directly to congress.

Hasn't made quite the same impact (yet)... maybe because the case is a little more difficult to build (they're still fighting to get Trump's tax returns), or maybe because of the personalities of the people involved.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...65f?ri18n=true
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Old 27th September 2019, 09:47 AM   #178
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I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy.
You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...s-almost-a-spy

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Trump should consider what used to be done to unpopular and corrupt leaders before he pines for the good old days.
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Old 27th September 2019, 09:51 AM   #180
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Trump isn't saying he didn't do any criminal acts.
He's saying that he wants to execute those who brought his criminal conduct to light.
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Old 27th September 2019, 09:55 AM   #182
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If that perfect phone call with the President of Ukraine Isn’t considered appropriate, then no future President can EVER again speak to another foreign leader!

IT WAS A PERFECT CONVERSATION WITH UKRAINE PRESIDENT!
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I think it's a safe bet that Trump is unfamiliar with the history and the play about it surrounding that particular event.
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Iran wanted me to lift the sanctions imposed on them in order to meet. I said, of course, NO!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Iran wanted me to lift the sanctions imposed on them in order to meet. I said, of course, NO!
"Look, a squirrel!"
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Iran wanted me to lift the sanctions imposed on them in order to meet. I said, of course, NO!
Geee, I can't understand why Iran would want to go into negotiations with an incompetent narcissist who regularly lies and breaks deals without getting some sort of conciliation first.

It takes a special type of stupid for a president of the U.S. to take Iran (you know, the country that held U.S. citizens hostage for several months, and contributes to middle eastern terrorism) and turn them into a somewhat sympathetic figure.
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Perfect is an interesting description of a phone call with a foreign leader...

Perfect because a specific policy goal was achieved?
Perfect because we made a new ally?
Perfect because Trump didn't commit a terrible faux-pas?
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Um.

So was the apostrophe an accent ague? Is the totally not misspelled word pronounced "lid-lay"?

Shame on CNN for thinking that the apostrophe didn't make everything just right.
I was thinking the same thing! What on earth was that mark there for? Neither an apostrophe nor an accent aigu make sense. Wait...I'm expecting Trump tweets to make sense? What was I thinking?
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Perfect is an interesting description of a phone call with a foreign leader...

Perfect because a specific policy goal was achieved?
Perfect because we made a new ally?
Perfect because Trump didn't commit a terrible faux-pas?
Perfect because he didn't get strangled by the phone cord during the conversation?
Perfect because he managed to hang up the phone properly without accidentally crushing his own fingers under the receiver?
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Haven't heard from Melanie lately...
She stood by her man giving everyone the evil eye responding to the impeachment beginning.
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"It wasn’t bad, it was very legal and very good."

He also seems to be doubling down on the 2nd grade vocabulary.The dementia-watchers interpret these as signs of his cognitive decline. If not that, then what? Does he do this purposefully because he thinks he's communicating with simpletons in his base?
"Very legal"? Something's either legal or not; there is no 'very' legal. He speaks and writes like a child.
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Perfect because he didn't get strangled by the phone cord during the conversation?
Perfect because he managed to hang up the phone properly without accidentally crushing his own fingers under the receiver?
He finally figured out not to push the phone buttons while the conversation was still happening.
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Having not actually read the law, and relying solely on second hand information, I'll bow to your more informed opinion.
I still hear folks more informed than me saying that Maguire should not have consulted the OLC, that the law required him to simply turn over the complaint once the inspector general had said it was urgent and credible.

So, do take my comments with a grain of salt. I don't know that there's a consensus on whether Maguire acted appropriately. Thus far, he seems to have done what he thought was right I think, but this is merely based on impressions from some of his comments during the hearing and so is also up for debate.
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The Justice Department is run by Bill Barr, who Trump mentions by name in the "Transcript" as someone Trump will tell to call the Ukrainian government to "get to the bottom" of the Biden allegations.

Did Barr know about the DoJ going through the process to make that determination? Did he recuse himself from the discussion? Barr might argue that the DoJ decision was correct, but he should not have been the one making that decision in the first place.
I don't know whether Barr interfered with the OLC determination. I think I've heard that he was out of the loop on that part of the review but not on the question of whether Trump's call might be a campaign finance law violation, but can't say where I've heard it.
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Perfect because he didn't get strangled by the phone cord during the conversation?
Perfect because he managed to hang up the phone properly without accidentally crushing his own fingers under the receiver again?
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"Very legal"? Something's either legal or not; there is no 'very' legal. He speaks and writes like a child.
He speaks how he thinks clever people sound when they speak
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I still hear folks more informed than me saying that Maguire should not have consulted the OLC, that the law required him to simply turn over the complaint once the inspector general had said it was urgent and credible.

So, do take my comments with a grain of salt. I don't know that there's a consensus on whether Maguire acted appropriately. Thus far, he seems to have done what he thought was right I think, but this is merely based on impressions from some of his comments during the hearing and so is also up for debate.
My impression, FWIW, is that he was using standard operating procedure: when in doubt, get a superior to make a decision that you're happy to follow, especially since he had been on the job for - what, 3 seconds?

But the whole issue of checking to see if executive privilege would be an issue doesn't matter, because the law says, just send the damn thing to Congress in 7 days. If the White House wanted to assert executive privilege, that's their problem.

Executive privelge could very well be an issue for blowing the whistle on someone *other* than the President if that person had spoken to the president about the issue getting blown (not the most artful way of saying that, but you get the drift). So the law doesn't care one white about Executive privilege, the DNI has just got to send the damn thing along.

So Maguire made a bad judgment in a job he never sought and had just gotten after a long period of great service. Can't get tooo mad at him, especially since Congress has the info now.
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I was thinking the same thing! What on earth was that mark there for? Neither an apostrophe nor an accent aigu make sense. Wait...I'm expecting Trump tweets to make sense? What was I thinking?
Neither does a hyphen. So (echoing your post), WTF was that there for?
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Trump Tweets

I AM DRAINING THE SWAMP!
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Old 27th September 2019, 12:52 PM   #200
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

I AM DRAINING THE SWAMP!
There is zero metaphysical possibility that he didn't tweet that while sitting on the toilet.
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