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Old 19th October 2019, 04:16 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
It's better than Hitlary.
It's not, actually. "Hitlary" is at least a decent pun.
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Old 19th October 2019, 04:50 AM   #122
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:10 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
I think that's a misrepresentation of the people who turned on Obama by 2010.
People decided, rightly or wrongly, he wasn't even trying, and that his 2007/2008 campaign was a gimmick. It was an act.

This (from 2012) accurately reflects their perception:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012...on-artist.html


And during the health care reform debate, he was beyond dismissive of his former base:

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/22/46401...er-health-care
I'm confused. Did anyone who supported him actually get the impression that Obama was some kind of socialist who'd seize the means of production and lock up the hated fat cat bankers and CEOs behind all of Americas woes?
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:22 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
I'm confused. Did anyone who supported him actually get the impression that Obama was some kind of socialist who'd seize the means of production and lock up the hated fat cat bankers and CEOs behind all of Americas woes?
He ran a populist campaign based on "hope" and "change," never specifying what should be changed or hoped for and leaving it to his supporters to fill in the blanks for themselves. Turned out a lot of them were hoping for more change than he delivered. Those same people may well have voted for Trump to make America "great again," for exactly the same reason.
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:25 AM   #125
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Someone should tell Hillar Clinton to shut the **** up and stay low like Obama mostly has. Nothing good can can come from her opening her stupid mouth.

She lost the election to Trump, who was obviously the worst person to ever be selected as a candidate for president by a major party. It should have been easy to win over him, so the fact that she didn't win in a landslide shows how worthless and uncharismatic she is.

In fact, by not simply ignoring Tulsi, she's playing into their hands by inflating their importance and giving them more attention than they could on their own.
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:34 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I read the linked article and updated my post with more detailed information.





I get that Hillary Clinton will never be president, but what's the deal with putting her on a political ice floe? Do you really believe that now she's lost her last presidential election, her opinions and insights on politics in America no longer matter? That she no longer has anything of value or significance to say on that subject?
She is yesterday's person, sure these old timers can produce a few good quotes from time to time but they no longer can be considered to represent anyone but themselves. And to be blunt, she couldn't even beat Trump!
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:35 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
In fact, by not simply ignoring Tulsi, she's playing into their hands by inflating their importance and giving them more attention than they could on their own.
Exactly the logic used to convince Obama not to speak out against Trump as a Russian asset.

If Moscow's pushing Tulsi, that's something people need to know. This isn't the election to keep scandal quiet and hope it blows over. In that sense, Hillary has a good role as agony aunt within the Dems. She can say whatever the hell she needs to, what are people gonna do, not vote for her?
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Old 19th October 2019, 06:40 AM   #128
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HRC can do absolutely whatever she wants - she doesn't owe anyone anything.
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Old 19th October 2019, 07:13 AM   #129
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Hillary Clinton Asked To Leave Costco After Repeatedly Accusing Sample Lady Of Being A Russian Asset

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[...] Whatever the case, the sample lady had apparently offered the failed presidential candidate a small paper cup of orange juice and told her the packs were on sale for $9.49 when the incident occurred.

"Orange... orange like Trump!" Clinton screamed suddenly, frightening the poor food demonstration worker. "You're in league with him, aren't you!?" The failed presidential candidate lunged across the cart and attempted to pull off her face mask, certain the lady was actually Vladimir Putin in a skin suit.

When that failed and the woman shooed her off with a plastic glove, Clinton turned for help and began screaming, "Security! Margaret in the frozen foods aisle is a Russian asset! Help, help, our elections are being meddled with!"

Guards arrived but relaxed when they saw it was just Hillary Clinton. "OK, lady, let's go," they said, grabbing her by each arm.

"Thank goodness you're here!" Clinton cried. "Arrest that woman! Can't someone help me out!?"

"Oh yeah, sure, lady, we'll help you out," the guards said, snickering as they dragged her toward the front door.

According to sources at the Costco, this is the third time this has happened this week.
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This guy dared to do an extensive interview with Tulsi without "picking up on the Russian asset thing".

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Old 19th October 2019, 07:33 AM   #131
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There are some strange things about Tulsi Gabbard. She has a lot of support on the far right. Example - she has rejected the support of Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke but he ignores her attacks and continues to support her. He has endorsed her for 2020.
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The 68-year-old white supremacist and former GOP Louisiana state senator plastered a banner on his Twitter page prominently featuring a photograph of the Hawaiian lawmaker, the New York Post reported. “Tulsi Gabbard is currently the only Presidential candidate who doesn’t want to send White children off to die for Israel,” the former Grand Wizard tweeted to his more than 50,000 followers along with a photograph of Gabbard meeting a US service member and his child. Link
I find it disconcerting that people reject out-of-hand Hillary Clinton's contention that Moscow is grooming Gabbard to be their stalking horse in 2020.
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Hillary Clinton says she believes that the Russians have "got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate." In a recent interview, Clinton didn't mention Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii by name, but said she believes one candidate is "the favorite of the Russians." Link
Who really knows? I certainly don't. I think we have to be careful. Maybe Clinton is right. Some people posting here are positive Clinton is wrong but what do they base that on? Look at how divisive this is becoming and how quickly. Some posters are now attacking Obama as an elitist and a phony! Where does that come from?
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Old 19th October 2019, 07:37 AM   #132
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I've suspected the same thing for a long time.
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Old 19th October 2019, 07:47 AM   #133
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It's crystal clear that Russia wants Trump to be POTUS -- for as long as possible. Why wouldn't they? (A: Not one damn reason.)

It's also clear that the election will be decided in several swing states. The margins of victory in WI, PA, and MI were tiny. When a third-party candidate gets as little as 1% of the vote, that can make the difference. Obviously, it's in the interest of any pro-Trump entity for there to be a left wing third-party.

It's also clear that the Gabbard has views that are favorable to Russia. And that the
Russian propaganda machine has promoted her.

Hillary could/should have described these facts in such a way as not to infer that Gabbard is a willing stooge. (If she's to comment at all that is; I wish she wouldn't.)
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Old 19th October 2019, 07:59 AM   #134
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Why is it preferable to pretend nothing is going on? We've gotten to the point where we can't even discuss certain things? Why?
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As she injects chaos into the 2020 Democratic primary by accusing her own party of “rigging” the election, an array of alt-right internet stars, white nationalists and Russians have praised her.

Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, is impressed with her political talent. Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her. Former Representative Ron Paul praises her “libertarian instincts,” while Franklin Graham, the influential evangelist, finds her “refreshing.” And far-right conspiracy theorists like Mike Cernovich see a certain MAGA sais quoi. “She’s got a good energy, a good vibe. You feel like this is just a serious person,” Mr. Cernovich said. “She seems very Trumpian.” Link
Yes, she certainly does.
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Old 19th October 2019, 10:37 AM   #135
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"They know they can't win without a third-party candidate, and so I do not know who it's going to be, but I can guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most need it."
Well at least this is a testable claim from HRC.

It worked last time around.
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Old 19th October 2019, 10:54 AM   #136
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I've suspected the same thing for a long time.
That Moscow is "grooming" Gabbard and she's a Russian "asset"?
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Old 19th October 2019, 11:17 AM   #137
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That Moscow is "grooming" Gabbard and she's a Russian "asset"?
She might not be aware or she might not mind their support as long as it helps her - politicians have the habit to assume that what's good for them is good for everyone.
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Hillary Clinton Asked To Leave Costco After Repeatedly Accusing Sample Lady Of Being A Russian Asset

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I think this is the most overblown comment anyone has made in weeks. I just saw an article that suggested Hillary's comments would drive voters to Trump. I think that is absurd.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
She might not be aware or she might not mind their support as long as it helps her - politicians have the habit to assume that what's good for them is good for everyone.
What are the definitions of "grooming" and "asset" in this context? And where are these definitions coming from?
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I think this is the most overblown comment anyone has made in weeks. I just saw an article that suggested Hillary's comments would drive voters to Trump. I think that is absurd.
I dunno. When Team Blue looks crazy, it makes Team Red look relatively less crazy than before.
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I dunno. When Team Blue looks crazy, it makes Team Red look relatively less crazy than before.
Even if its the guy on the bench who's never going to get into the game? The election is still a year away and I very much much doubt that Gabbard is going to mount a third party challenge. Despite what Hillary said.
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Even if its the guy on the bench who's never going to get into the game? The election is still a year away and I very much much doubt that Gabbard is going to mount a third party challenge. Despite what Hillary said.
The guy on the bench is seen as the coach.

Half of the internet erupted into cheers when Hillary said that.

"#Resistance twitter" eats that stuff up.
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The guy on the bench is seen as the coach.

Half of the internet erupted into cheers when Hillary said that.

"#Resistance twitter" eats that stuff up.
She's not the coach and anyone paying attention this early in the election cycle is not going to be a swing vote.
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Someone should tell Hillar Clinton to shut the **** up and stay low like Obama mostly has. Nothing good can can come from her opening her stupid mouth.

She lost the election to Trump, who was obviously the worst person to ever be selected as a candidate for president by a major party. It should have been easy to win over him, so the fact that she didn't win in a landslide shows how worthless and uncharismatic she is.

In fact, by not simply ignoring Tulsi, she's playing into their hands by inflating their importance and giving them more attention than they could on their own.
Yes, she lost because of our antiquated electoral system, not because more people voted for him that her. That she is 'worthless or uncharismatic" is your personal opinion and one I don't agree with. IMO, she lost because many fools believed the years of Republican propaganda about her.
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There are some strange things about Tulsi Gabbard. She has a lot of support on the far right. Example - she has rejected the support of Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke but he ignores her attacks and continues to support her. He has endorsed her for 2020.


I find it disconcerting that people reject out-of-hand Hillary Clinton's contention that Moscow is grooming Gabbard to be their stalking horse in 2020.


Who really knows? I certainly don't. I think we have to be careful. Maybe Clinton is right. Some people posting here are positive Clinton is wrong but what do they base that on? Look at how divisive this is becoming and how quickly. Some posters are now attacking Obama as an elitist and a phony! Where does that come from?
Who is Jimmy Dore supporting this time? He usually has all his RT ducks in a row.
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Who is Jimmy Dore supporting this time? He usually has all his RT ducks in a row.
Gabbard last I checked.

But he'll vote for Sanders in the general.
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That Moscow is "grooming" Gabbard and she's a Russian "asset"?
Not exactly that, but when she's being endorsed by people like Richard Spencer, David Duke, Mike Cernovich and The Daily Stormer it makes you wonder what exactly is happening.
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I mean it really could be because of Kristjen Nielsen because of Nielsen's comments as DHS Secretary. Last year she would not say that Russian interference helped Trump over Clinton. I can see Clinton feeling insulted over that.
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His latest. No mentioning of Tulsi. No nickname for her as I pointed out already. She gets zero publicity from him and he knows why.
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His latest. No mentioning of Tulsi. No nickname for her as I pointed out already. She gets zero publicity from him and he knows why.
So what? Trump is batcrap crazy. And the more I read about Gabbard, the more I'm convinced that Hillary wasn't far off about Gabbard.
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He ran a populist campaign based on "hope" and "change," never specifying what should be changed or hoped for and leaving it to his supporters to fill in the blanks for themselves. Turned out a lot of them were hoping for more change than he delivered. Those same people may well have voted for Trump to make America "great again," for exactly the same reason.
Well, that's a bunch of nonsense. Many people were whining about how he didn't do things that he very clearly stated he'd do the exact opposite of, such as "open borders" (he openly said he'd enforce border security so the GOP could have room to reform immigration), or "Pull troops out of Afghanistan" (Obama stated outright that he wanted an Iraq-style surge). Dolt 45 is, in fact, the only major candidate in recent memory who didn't have detailed plans on what they would do and propose freely available both in speeches and on their website ("build the wall!" "Lock her up!" "Health care will be so easy!"). Now, whether or not the details added up is another matter, of courseMitt Romney, but claiming "He said hope and Change but didn't say how" is like saying "Hillary never said how she would help black and/or rural communities". It's effectively admitting that you didn't pay attention.

Now if someone wishes to claim "Yeah, things changed pretty damn quickly because of that whole massive financial crisis and recession thing that happened when we were electing people", then yes, they obviously did, and they had to. But it was downright simple to find detailed proposals from him (and McCain in 2008, and Romney in 2012, and Hillary Clinton in 2016).
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This guy dared to do an extensive interview with Tulsi without "picking up on the Russian asset thing".

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Not exactly that, but when she's being endorsed by people like Richard Spencer, David Duke, Mike Cernovich and The Daily Stormer it makes you wonder what exactly is happening.
Spencer likes her because she calls out "radical Islam" by name.
Duke likes her quasi-isolationism and probably her calling out radical Islam, too.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...our_enemy.html
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Old 19th October 2019, 07:03 PM   #156
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Well, that's a bunch of nonsense. Many people were whining about how he didn't do things that he very clearly stated he'd do the exact opposite of, such as "open borders" (he openly said he'd enforce border security so the GOP could have room to reform immigration), or "Pull troops out of Afghanistan" (Obama stated outright that he wanted an Iraq-style surge).
That's not what people were upset over.
It was stuff like this.

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He had said, when fighting for union votes with Clinton, “I will make sure we renegotiate (NAFTA).” Even as he said this, it turns out that campaign advisor Austan Goolsbee had gone to Canada to assure them this was a lie (sure enough, Obama’s trade policies are identical to Bush’s, or worse). And once the election ended, and Obama was asked about his broken promise by a reporter, he gave the following answer.

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“This is fun for the press to try to stir up whatever quotes were generated during the course of the campaign,” President Obama said during his Transition in early December, when a reporter asked him about criticisms he and now-Secretary of State Clinton had made about each other’s foreign policy views.

“They’re your quotes, sir,” said the reporter, Peter Baker of the New York Times.

“No, I understand. And you’re having fun,” Obama continued. “And there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m not faulting it.”
This is cynicism as art. It’s literally a Presidential candidate running on hope and change saying that campaign promises are a joke and a ruse.
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Another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

..and then he sided with...Scott Walker in WI:
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...hts-threatened
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White House press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday that he wasn't aware of any plans by Obama, who has nothing on his agenda for this afternoon, to travel to Madison.

"I think what we have made pretty clear is that the president thinks and we think, he’s stated this, that obviously a lot of states in the union are dealing with fiscal issues, big problems in their state budgets that need to be addressed," Carney said. "And they need to act responsibly, tighten their belts, live within their means, just as we in Washington, the executive branch and Congress need to do with our federal situation."
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Hopefully you're aware that this is satire.
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Gabbard predicted the current Syria mess back in Dec 2018....

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/sta...12984654946304
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When asked if the former secretary of state was referring to Gabbard, Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said, “If the nesting doll fits.”
“This is not some outlandish claim,” Merrill added. “This is reality.”

To me, this "nesting doll" sounds more like a hidden assen that being used as a tool. Maybe closer to a Manchurian Candidate.
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Of the current Dem candidates, it looks like Yang, Williamson, and now Beto all stand with Tulsi. So far, none have come out in favor of HRC's accusation.
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