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Old 27th October 2019, 09:26 PM   #1
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Rep. Katie Hill announces resignation

Rep. Katie Hill announces resignation amid allegations of improper relationships with staffers

Seems like her estranged husband is out to get her and he has the goods to smear her too. Nowadays they call that "revenge porn" and supposedly it's illegal. Somehow compromising pictures of her are showing up in British tabloids and conservative websites.

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Washington (CNN)Democratic Rep. Katie Hill of California on Sunday announced her resignation from Congress days after she admitted to having an inappropriate relationship with a campaign staffer before coming into office.
"It is with a broken heart that today I announce my resignation from Congress," Hill said in a statement Sunday. "This is the hardest thing I have ever had to do, but I believe it is the best thing for my constituents, my community, and our country."
News of Hill's resignation comes after the House Committee on Ethics announced Wednesday it was opening an investigation into allegations Hill engaged in an improper relationship with a congressional staffer in possible violation of House rules which were changed last year to ban relationships between members and their staff.

In a statement last week, Hill denied that the relationship allegedly involving Graham Kelly, who currently works as her legislative director took place. CNN has reached out to Kelly for comment, but has not heard back.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a statement Sunday night that Hill "has acknowledged errors in judgment that made her continued service as a Member untenable."
While Pelosi praised Hill for making "a great contribution as a leader of the Freshman Class" of House Democrats, she added that "we must ensure a climate of integrity and dignity in the Congress, and in all workplaces."
Yes. "Integrity and dignity", of course.
Fwiw, she ran as an openly bisexual candidate.
It kinda seems like she's being forced out for being the victim of revenge porn from a vindictive ex.
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Old 27th October 2019, 09:38 PM   #2
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It looks like she gave campaign money to her lover, which is where things become untenable. Revenge porn may have initiated this discovery, and perhaps hubby may face some consequences but handing out campaign money like that is a big problem.
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Old 27th October 2019, 09:55 PM   #3
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It looks like she gave campaign money to her lover, which is where things become untenable. Revenge porn may have initiated this discovery, and perhaps hubby may face some consequences but handing out campaign money like that is a big problem.
Where did you see that? The CNN story doesn't mention it.

Obviously, misusing campaign funds in a big no-no.
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Old 27th October 2019, 10:05 PM   #4
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Actually, paying campaign staffers for their services from campaign money isn't illegal. It's pretty standard. But I guess if you also have an affair with them, that's where it becomes questionable because of the possible conflict of interest.
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Old 27th October 2019, 10:18 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Where did you see that? The CNN story doesn't mention it.

Obviously, misusing campaign funds in a big no-no.
Been kinda following this story as it developed. Hill and her husband apparently enticed this (not-unwilling) young female campaign volunteer into a menage a trois. But Hill gets elected and suddenly her open marriage is probably not an asset, and she dumps both the hubby and the new gf, and continues to pay rent and utilities on gf's apartment (according to text messages) but writes it off as campaign expenses.
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Good on her for breaking the "political workplace sexual malfeasance" glass ceiling for all of women. A true trailblazer.
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The leading photo in the daily mail piece emphasized the photo of her illegally using drugs with an iron cross tattoo.ut was a target rich situation.
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:16 AM   #9
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I don't have a problem with torrid sex affairs but if someone's going to have them in the workplace they have to accept the consequences. Fun is fun, work is work, keep 'em separate if you're unwilling to entertain risk. I don't give a crap about "morals" but I do believe in professionalism.
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:37 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I don't have a problem with torrid sex affairs but if someone's going to have them in the workplace they have to accept the consequences. Fun is fun, work is work, keep 'em separate if you're unwilling to entertain risk. I don't give a crap about "morals" but I do believe in professionalism.
Is it a workplace? It is choosing to represent your community in government, like a PTA. Would that make the musical 1776 a workplace comedy.
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:39 AM   #11
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Is it a workplace? It is choosing to represent your community in government, like a PTA. Would that make the musical 1776 a workplace comedy.
Yes, it's work. People draw a salary to do stuff.
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:43 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Where did you see that? The CNN story doesn't mention it.

Obviously, misusing campaign funds in a big no-no.
Bah campaign finance is a non issue and shouldn't ever hurt anyone, see the president on this.
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Actually, paying campaign staffers for their services from campaign money isn't illegal. It's pretty standard. But I guess if you also have an affair with them, that's where it becomes questionable because of the possible conflict of interest.
Why? Paying spouses and children for their roles in the campaign is also common. Why should a staffer who is in a more intimate relationship be different?
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Been kinda following this story as it developed. Hill and her husband apparently enticed this (not-unwilling) young female campaign volunteer into a menage a trois. But Hill gets elected and suddenly her open marriage is probably not an asset, and she dumps both the hubby and the new gf, and continues to pay rent and utilities on gf's apartment (according to text messages) but writes it off as campaign expenses.
Paying cover-up money is all good though. Or is it just because she isn't a porn star?
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Yes, it's work. People draw a salary to do stuff.
Is that what makes something workplace? Is a trench in the great war with paid soldiers a workplace?

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Is that what makes something workplace? Is a trench in the great war with paid soldiers a workplace?
Sweetie darling, you're mistaking me for other people. I don't play your games.
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She should just change her affiliation from (D) to (R) and then she can stay in office.....oh wait.. she's a woman. Only men in the Republican party can get away with this kind of behavior.
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Sweetie darling, you're mistaking me for other people. I don't play your games.
That is a fancy way of acknowledging your argument doesn't survive basic scrutiny.
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I don't have a problem with torrid sex affairs but if someone's going to have them in the workplace they have to accept the consequences. Fun is fun, work is work, keep 'em separate if you're unwilling to entertain risk. I don't give a crap about "morals" but I do believe in professionalism.
Overall, I agree. IMO, Hill did some unprofessional things, but nothing that bothers me morally (AFAIK know, it was revealed she was using a substance that's legal now and engaging on consensual sexual activities - how shocking!) and it's disappointing that a smear campaign from the freaking Daily Mail had forced her to resign over a manufactured moral panic.

And it's even worse that Hill's activities aren't even especially outrageous among her peers. I'm fairly close to a small number of people that have worked in politics and the stories I've heard would probably make a lot of peoples' heads spin. Politicians and staff are good at keeping a lot of things under wraps, but behind closed doors, they're frequently a bunch of debased animals. Hill's activities with consensual threesomes and something as harmless and now-legal as pot might be the least scandalous story of this type I've ever heard.
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That is a fancy way of acknowledging your argument doesn't survive basic scrutiny.
No, its a way of telling you that he won't play your stupid games!

There is nothing wrong with his argument.
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No, its a way of telling you that he won't play your stupid games!

There is nothing wrong with his argument.
There isn't anything wrong with it if they acknowledge a battlefield is a workplace. It is wrong if they do not because there is a contradiction.
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There isn't anything wrong with it if they acknowledge a battlefield is a workplace. It is wrong if they do not because there is a contradiction.
The battlefield is a workplace. Its the location where the soldiers do what they are being paid for by their employer.

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Overall, I agree. IMO, Hill did some unprofessional things, but nothing that bothers me morally (AFAIK know, it was revealed she was using a substance that's legal now and engaging on consensual sexual activities - how shocking!)
It appears she coerced a subordinate. That makes "consent" an issue. Also, just don't get into affairs with people who work for you. Just don't

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and it's disappointing that a smear campaign from the freaking Daily Mail had forced her to resign over a manufactured moral panic.
And Red State. They published explicit photos as well. Gawker was shut down for pretty much this same thing. But somehow, I don't see Peter Thiel or anyone other millionaire "privacy defender" bankrolling her lawsuit.

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And it's even worse that Hill's activities aren't even especially outrageous among her peers. I'm fairly close to a small number of people that have worked in politics and the stories I've heard would probably make a lot of peoples' heads spin. Politicians and staff are good at keeping a lot of things under wraps, but behind closed doors, they're frequently a bunch of debased animals. Hill's activities with consensual threesomes and something as harmless and now-legal as pot might be the least scandalous story of this type I've ever heard.
She represents a swing district and is a woman who enjoys sex. Both make her a target and the latter is leverage against her.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Is it a workplace? It is choosing to represent your community in government, like a PTA. Would that make the musical 1776 a workplace comedy.
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Is that what makes something workplace? Is a trench in the great war with paid soldiers a workplace?
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That is a fancy way of acknowledging your argument doesn't survive basic scrutiny.
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There isn't anything wrong with it if they acknowledge a battlefield is a workplace. It is wrong if they do not because there is a contradiction.
What if....What if?.... All posts off topic.
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The battlefield is a workplace. Its the location where the soldiers do what they are being paid for by their employer.

NOTE: This was the last reply I will be making to any of your posts in this thread. I am not going to be drawn into one of your silly, never ending games of "what if", where you keep incrementally shifting the debate until you are arguing that black is actually white and left is actually right. I other worlds, I will not be "Bobbed"
Interesting, but you were not the one making the argument.
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It appears she coerced a subordinate. That makes "consent" an issue. Also, just don't get into affairs with people who work for you. Just don't
Oh, obviously. I would hope that would go without saying, and I'm not saying it's okay. Again, it's clearly unprofessional on her part. I will clarify that I haven't seen anything about coercion; of course, when this kind of behavior is involving a subordinate, things are always tricky, but I've only seen accounts of a consensual relationship, or least as consensual a that kind of relationship can be (ie, no quid pro quo or anything else like that). If coercion was involved beyond the grey area inherently created by the supervisor/subordinate dynamic, then that would obviously be a big problem. Then again, that kind of relationship is incredibly common, from what I've heard from friends. I'm not saying she didn't do anything wrong, it's just my opinion that her actions are pretty typical (maybe even tame) in politics and probably wouldn't raise an eye were it not for conservative media trying to take her down, possibly aided by a revenge porn angle from her (now ex?) husband. If her behavior was bad enough to warrant a resignation, then the public should demand resignation from almost everyone involved in politics.

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And Red State. They published explicit photos as well. Gawker was shut down for pretty much this same thing. But somehow, I don't see Peter Thiel or anyone other millionaire "privacy defender" bankrolling her lawsuit.

She represents a swing district and is a woman who enjoys sex. Both make her a target and the latter is leverage against her.
Yep, that's kind of why the situation bugs me. It's pretty obvious what's happening, but I guess because Hill is kind of low-hanging fruit (a young, openly bisexual women in a swing district), it's easy to get away with it. But hey, it's politics, so low-blows are to be expected, I guess.

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The leading photo in the daily mail piece emphasized the photo of her illegally using drugs with an iron cross tattoo.ut was a target rich situation.
From what I understand, the bong picture predated California legalization.

The iron cross thing I don't care about. There's too many possible innocuous uses for it, and people have unfairly gone after others for having similar tattoos in the past. So I'm not going to count that as a strike against her. But her sexual affair with a staffer is a major no-no, her drinking problem is a problem, and it was right for her to resign.
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Once again, i ask why does anybody need to put naked pix of themselves on their phones and send them to others, who can send them on and on and on forever? At least film prints and negatives could be kept locked up and destroyed if necessary. For the rest of her life, no matter what she does, these silly pictures will haunt her. How could a moment's fun be worth it?

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The iron cross thing I don't care about. There's too many possible innocuous uses for it, and people have unfairly gone after others for having similar tattoos in the past.
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Yeah, the Iron Cross could mean a lot of things. It's even been called a blessing for surfers.
http://www.patriotic-jewelry.com/cross-surfer.htm

But it's also used as a white nationalist symbol. It's up to her to explain what it means to her.
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Overall, I agree. IMO, Hill did some unprofessional things, but nothing that bothers me morally (AFAIK know, it was revealed she was using a substance that's legal now and engaging on consensual sexual activities - how shocking!) and it's disappointing that a smear campaign from the freaking Daily Mail had forced her to resign over a manufactured moral panic.

And it's even worse that Hill's activities aren't even especially outrageous among her peers. I'm fairly close to a small number of people that have worked in politics and the stories I've heard would probably make a lot of peoples' heads spin. Politicians and staff are good at keeping a lot of things under wraps, but behind closed doors, they're frequently a bunch of debased animals. Hill's activities with consensual threesomes and something as harmless and now-legal as pot might be the least scandalous story of this type I've ever heard.
Misusing campaign funds is the real problem for her keeping her position.

The revenge porn thing is otherwise the worst action described.
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Yeah, the Iron Cross could mean a lot of things. It's even been called a blessing for surfers.
http://www.patriotic-jewelry.com/cross-surfer.htm
Its also very similar to the Maltese Cross, and the Crux Pattee, the symbol of the Knights Templar.

The Iron Cross dates back to the early 19th century, to the time of King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia. Even if her tattoo is an iron cross, it is not the Nazi symbol unless is has a swastika at a 45 angle in the centre.
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Its also very similar to the Maltese Cross, and the Crux Pattee, the symbol of the Knights Templar.



The Iron Cross dates back to the early 19th century, to the time of King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia. Even if her tattoo is an iron cross, it is not the Nazi symbol unless is has a swastika at a 45 angle in the centre.
Eh. I don't believe hers is a Nazi symbol. But I bet there are a lot of neo Nazis who display it without the swastika.
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How could a moment's fun be worth it?
You could ask that about absolutely anything sexual. Yet, oddly enough, people still seem to do sex stuff, no matter what the consequences.
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That is a fancy way of acknowledging your argument doesn't survive basic scrutiny.
Nah. There's a reason the term "being Bobbed" exists.
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I get the "heart wants what it wants" (and ever variation thereoff) but I think the question is less "Why did you do the wrong/illegal/outrageous/dangerous/harmful thing for sex" and more "Why did you do the wrong/illegal/outrageous/dangerous/harmful thing for that particular act of sex?"

Katie Hill is successful, well off, and isn't like horrible looking or anything. I doubt she was particularly limited in potential sexual and romantic partners.

But again this is a question that could be asked a lot of a lot of people in a lot of situations.
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Once again, i ask why does anybody need to put naked pix of themselves on their phones and send them to others, who can send them on and on and on forever? At least film prints and negatives could be kept locked up and destroyed if necessary. For the rest of her life, no matter what she does, these silly pictures will haunt her. How could a moment's fun be worth it?
It's a stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do. It's not like ex-husbands/lovers/hackers haven't done this on multiple well-advertised occssions. Did I mention it's a stupid thing to do?
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Yeah, the Iron Cross could mean a lot of things. It's even been called a blessing for surfers.
http://www.patriotic-jewelry.com/cross-surfer.htm

But it's also used as a white nationalist symbol. It's up to her to explain what it means to her.
No, she doesn't have to explain. It's a private tattoo, the public was never supposed to see it. She doesn't owe anyone an explanation for that.
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Eh. I don't believe hers is a Nazi symbol. But I bet there are a lot of neo Nazis who display it without the swastika.
Could be because neo-Nazis don't generally tend to be well-educated, intelligent people.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I get the "heart wants what it wants" (and ever variation thereoff) but I think the question is less "Why did you do the wrong/illegal/outrageous/dangerous/harmful thing for sex" and more "Why did you do the wrong/illegal/outrageous/dangerous/harmful thing for that particular act of sex?"
Are you new to sex? That's how it works! That's part of the magic of it! One minute you're leading your ordinary mundane life and then next you're, I don't know, engaged in erotic knife play in an unlocked storage closet in the employees-only delivery dock of a Carolina Pottery. It's hormones, it's crazy, it's messy, and afterwards you wonder what on earth you were thinking but in the moment, man, you were very definitely alive and loving it! And you have wonderful memories to look back on. Possibly as a witness in a court case, but such is life.
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