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Old 30th October 2019, 11:20 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Of course it is...but people don't mind their own business which is my point!
So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?

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No, it's not used against women 'because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults'; it's used as a weapon to hurt and destroy both men and women for either personal (revenge) or political reasons.
There's no video of Duncan Hunter being passed around. And we have been able to establish he has done the same thing to a far worse degree without photographic or video evidence.

Hulk Hogan didn't suffer anything when Gawker released his video. Rob Lowe was filmed having sex with a minor and it didn't even slow his career down.

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That's obvious...which is why it's not a smart choice to record our private sexual activities especially if you're a politician.
Or, you can stop being a tool for people using revenge porn as a weapon.
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Old 30th October 2019, 12:01 PM   #82
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Would anyone be calling for Hill's resignation if it were just revenge porn images released? Her scandal is limited largely to the inappropriate relationship she was having with her subordinate. Had the story run only with the text messages and the allegation of the inappropriate relationship, then the scandal would have a much more damning narrative

To be honest, the revenge porn is only making her seem more sympathetic as a victim of a form of sexual crime. If it weren't for the inappropriateness of the relationship itself, I would see no reason why a grown woman should be ashamed having a private sexual life.

The brewing story is that the NRCC had advance knowledge of the photos and may have facilitated the publishing of the story. Given that revenge porn is a crime in California, this may involve a criminal conspiracy.

Noted loose-lipped idiot George Papadopoulos was tweeting “California’s 25th congressional district looks like it’s for the taking” the day before the story ran, which means he knew of the story in advance.
This is going to be the really interesting part.
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Old 30th October 2019, 12:09 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post

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Of course it is...but people don't mind their own business which is my point!
So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?
I'm beginning to think you have a reading comprehension problem. It's about the only thing that would explain your continued misrepresentation of what I've said. I have NEVER blamed the person 'who was enjoying sex'. What I have said, and try reading this very slowly, is: Making a sex tape is not a smart thing to do in this day of revenge porn and use as a political weapon.
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No, it's not used against women 'because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults'; it's used as a weapon to hurt and destroy both men and women for either personal (revenge) or political reasons.
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There's no video of Duncan Hunter being passed around. And we have been able to establish he has done the same thing to a far worse degree without photographic or video evidence.

Hulk Hogan didn't suffer anything when Gawker released his video. Rob Lowe was filmed having sex with a minor and it didn't even slow his career down.
So? That in some way diminishes the fact that video and pics ARE being published of others as revenge porn and as a political tactic?


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That's obvious...which is why it's not a smart choice to record our private sexual activities especially if you're a politician.

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Or, you can stop being a tool for people using revenge porn as a weapon.
And you can stop misrepresenting what I say. Take a few reading comprehension courses and save yourself a lot of unnecessary upset.
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Old 30th October 2019, 12:34 PM   #84
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So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?
Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).

But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.
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Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.
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Old 30th October 2019, 12:48 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.
You know this argument actually exists in law, right? That celebrities do not in fact have the same right to privacy, nor the same remedies in law, as non-celebrities? Like the concept of due diligence, this should not be hard to understand. What is nature of your concern?
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Old 30th October 2019, 12:55 PM   #87
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You know this argument actually exists in law, right
So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.
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Old 30th October 2019, 01:16 PM   #88
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Making a sex tape is not a smart thing to do in this day of revenge porn and use as a political weapon.
This. it's a dumb thing to do. If you are famous, there is a excellent change someone will find a way to hack into your computer and get it
That is just a fact of life.
I note that for a page devoted supposedely to rational thinking, how many people can't distinguish between stating a fact and approval of that fact.
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Old 30th October 2019, 01:40 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.
My position is that both of those things matter. Why do you think due diligence and negligence don't matter?
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So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.
If revenge porn is illegal (I highly doubt distributing explicit images is illegal), then I'm happy to let the authorities prosecute.
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Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).
The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.

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But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.
Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.
I don't know about you, but I live in the real world. I got over the fact that life isn't fair a long time ago.
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Old 30th October 2019, 02:33 PM   #93
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The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.
Don't let me stop you.

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Do you think women should walk down wrong alleys as a habit? Is it a good idea?
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Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?
To be fair, "the wrong alley" is a general case, not just for rape.

"Don't go to that part of town after dark. You'll get mugged for sure , or worse."

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"My god! What happened to you?"

"I went to that part of town last night. They mugged me and beat me up. I lost three teeth and I'm pretty sure one of my ribs is cracked."

"What were you thinking?"

"Don't blame me! It was their choice to assault me! I'm just the victim here!"

"Fine, let's just get you to a hospital. Idiot."
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The real problem with victim-blaming in rape cases is that it's a case of someone doing sensible stuff that everybody does, without any cause to worry that they're inviting rape. Afterwards, they're second-guessing themselves and wondering if they did anything to cause it. And then ******** say, "well, if you hadn't smiled at him", or "if you hadn't been so attractive" or whatever. When the truth is, no one should ever have to blame themselves for being friendly in a bar, or looking good at the office.
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The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.



Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

Something might not be morally wrong but still be very stupid...something you just don't seem able to get.
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Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).

But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.
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Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.
Wow. More reading comprehension problems. That is not even close to what Brainster said. Let me break this down:

Brainster's post summarized: As a person in the public eye ("any kind of personal fame"), don't be surprised if your naked pictures make their way to the public because people can be arses and do bad things as many, many such cases have demonstrated.
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Old 30th October 2019, 03:42 PM   #98
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This. it's a dumb thing to do. If you are famous, there is a excellent change someone will find a way to hack into your computer and get it
That is just a fact of life.
I note that for a page devoted supposedely to rational thinking, how many people can't distinguish between stating a fact and approval of that fact.
Thank goodness some people were paying attention during Reading for Comprehension classes in school.
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The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.
On this we agree.


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Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?

When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.

Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves. And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.

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When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.
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Question, if it's okay: Did you call the cops? What was the outcome? I'm not being critical here, but I've always felt that women who choose not to report assaults -- especially by strangers, as opposed to situations that could be reduced to "he said, she said" -- are putting other women at risk. What you're describing could have gone much worse, and it might well have turned out much worse for the guy's next target if he wasn't caught.
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Question, if it's okay: Did you call the cops? What was the outcome? I'm not being critical here, but I've always felt that women who choose not to report assaults -- especially by strangers, as opposed to situations that could be reduced to "he said, she said" -- are putting other women at risk. What you're describing could have gone much worse, and it might well have turned out much worse for the guy's next target if he wasn't caught.
When he jumped out of the car, I immediately drove to the entrance of the club and informed the bouncers standing there. They started an immediate search and found no one. I didn't report it to police because I could never have identified him other than being African American. I didn't notice how old he was, what clothing he was wearing, etc. It happened so fast, and I reacted with extreme anger instead of fear which probably saved me. This was decades ago, pre-DNA.
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Something might not be morally wrong but still be very stupid...something you just don't seem able to get.
I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor. Very stupid is really exaggerating the risk that she took here.

This isn't some reckless person sending pics and videos to untrustworthy partners she barely knows and will be gone tomorrow, it was her husband. The fact that they became public is only due to his very extreme breach of that marital privacy.

A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.
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If a man had done this there would be nobody supporting him here, unless he was a Democrat
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This is going to be the really interesting part.
here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ical-opponent/
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If a man had done this there would be nobody supporting him here, unless he was a Democrat
Like the support Al Franken got?
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I think he means well known Democrat, Donald Trump.
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Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?
Yep women should also know better than to drink alcohol, or associate with men. If they just stopped the last think how few rapes there would be. If you choose to continue to associate with men, well these things happen.

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Yep go out to clubs and those kind of things happen, leaving the house is the first mistake.
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Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves. And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.
Like going out to clubs is also a often a first mistake.

This is victim blaming, focusing on what to do to avoid being a victim and ignoring the perpetrators is victim blaming. She should really have known better than to have a sex life at all. I mean what if her husband secretly recorded her, and released it as revenge porn, of course that would be a failure of her to be sufficiently careful at avoiding being recorded.

Where does focusing on what the victim could have done to prevent something instead of focusing on the perpetrator become silly instead of pragmatic?

Why was the focus not more on why Brock Turners victim shouldn't have drunk that much alcohol?
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here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ical-opponent/
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Brainster's post summarized: As a person in the public eye ("any kind of personal fame"), don't be surprised if your naked pictures make their way to the public because people can be arses and do bad things as many, many such cases have demonstrated.
Yeah so again, it's your fault for being famous. Like I said. Glad to know I was right.

I think my "reading comprehension" is just fine.
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I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor. Very stupid is really exaggerating the risk that she took here.

This isn't some reckless person sending pics and videos to untrustworthy partners she barely knows and will be gone tomorrow, it was her husband. The fact that they became public is only due to his very extreme breach of that marital privacy.

A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.
Yep. This is my view too.
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I mean, it in all likelihood it was her husband that leaked the images. Sharing racy pics with a spouse doesn't really strike me as a particularly risky endeavor.
It is if you can't trust that spouse. Given her apparent attitude about marriage, I'm not really surprised that it turns out she couldn't.

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A jilted spouse went on the warpath and decided to betray marital confidence says little about the victim of such disclosures and a lot about the abusive spouse.
Sure. The text messages say quite a bit about her, though, and plenty of it isn't good.
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Old 31st October 2019, 10:00 AM   #112
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On this we agree.
And yet, you are hung up on calling her wrong for taking intimate pictures with her husband and partner rather than calling him out for committing a felony


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Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?
So, you aren't blaming them, but you are holding them responsible for the crimes of another? What precisely do you think blaming is?

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When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.
think about what you are saying in the context you are saying it.

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Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves.
There doesn't seem to be much though. When you are making a bigger deal of the victim doing something anyone should be able to do with fear of injury than you are of the person who actually caused the injury, you are victim-blaming.

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And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.
What else can we put in there?
Having sex
Drinking alcohol
Smoking pot
going on vacation
drinking wine
being the member of a sex club
basically, any sort of "non-traditional" relationship

How about we worry less about what is "stupid" and more about what is illegal and actually harmful?
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And yet, you are hung up on calling her wrong for taking intimate pictures with her husband and partner rather than calling him out for committing a felony

So, you aren't blaming them, but you are holding them responsible for the crimes of another? What precisely do you think blaming is?

think about what you are saying in the context you are saying it.

There doesn't seem to be much though. When you are making a bigger deal of the victim doing something anyone should be able to do with fear of injury than you are of the person who actually caused the injury, you are victim-blaming.

What else can we put in there?
Having sex
Drinking alcohol
Smoking pot
going on vacation
drinking wine
being the member of a sex club
basically, any sort of "non-traditional" relationship

How about we worry less about what is "stupid" and more about what is illegal and actually harmful?
Amen.

This reminds me of a young 13 year old who was gang raped in a Muslim country. She reported the offense to the authorities. While they couldn't prove her accusation against the perpetrators, they could tell she had sex. Her reward was to be publicly stoned.
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What's functionally different about shaming someone for taking private nude photos and shaming someone for taking private nude photos that someone else distributes without their knowledge?
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What's functionally difference for shaming someone for taking private nude photos and shaming someone for taking private nude photos that someone else distributes without their knowledge?
I don't know.

I do know that I think of the world in a way that is very different from most people.

I advise people every day about the fact that every email and text that they have ever written could one day be handed to them by an opposing lawyer in a bland conference room where they will be paying at least one attorney, typically two, to sit and take notes as they read out that text or email. Then they can expect it to be blown up on an exhibit board in a court room where they will be paying two to three attorneys to sit there and take notes as it is read to the jury by opposing counsel.

That is the context in which I live my life. I don't hit send on an email until I am happy that this email could be read in front of any of my clients, my wife, my kids, my mother, my colleagues, and the discipline committee of the State Bar. My emails are ******* boring. Whenever the topic of dick pics comes up, even as a joke, my go to photo is of the 37th president. I don't expect everyone to have as boring an email life as I do, but if your emails are more exciting, then you can expect your life to be more exciting.

I have clients who have very exciting lives and sitting there taking notes while that is laid out often helps to pay my mortgage.

I think anyone who knowingly forwarded or published private nudes without permission should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and I think such laws may need to be strengthened. But I also don't have any understanding of the compulsion to take nude photos. Nor do I understand why that one lady was so wiling to nearly sacrifice her dog just so that she could bite a camel's nuts, so there's a lot I don't understand about the sexual preferences and practices of others.
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here it comes, baby!

The editor of RedState Media, which published the revenge porn of Rep. Hill, was slated to be the campaign manager of an intended Republican challenger for the seat. That role never materialized and the challenger, Suzette Valladares, is pursuing a different elected position.

The rat-**** that the right is pulling here is far outshining the sexual impropriety that Hill took with her subordinates. I wonder if she'll decide to revoke her resignation.

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ical-opponent/
I wonder if she'll decide to run for President. She's my new hero.
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I don't know.

I do know that I think of the world in a way that is very different from most people.

I advise people every day about the fact that every email and text that they have ever written could one day be handed to them by an opposing lawyer in a bland conference room where they will be paying at least one attorney, typically two, to sit and take notes as they read out that text or email. Then they can expect it to be blown up on an exhibit board in a court room where they will be paying two to three attorneys to sit there and take notes as it is read to the jury by opposing counsel.

That is the context in which I live my life. I don't hit send on an email until I am happy that this email could be read in front of any of my clients, my wife, my kids, my mother, my colleagues, and the discipline committee of the State Bar. My emails are ******* boring. Whenever the topic of dick pics comes up, even as a joke, my go to photo is of the 37th president. I don't expect everyone to have as boring an email life as I do, but if your emails are more exciting, then you can expect your life to be more exciting.

I have clients who have very exciting lives and sitting there taking notes while that is laid out often helps to pay my mortgage.

I think anyone who knowingly forwarded or published private nudes without permission should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and I think such laws may need to be strengthened. But I also don't have any understanding of the compulsion to take nude photos
Pretty much the same as taking any photos. And why limit it to text based communication, why shouldn't everyone be obligated to live their whole lives by the standard you hold your email to?
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Pretty much the same as taking any photos. And why limit it to text based communication, why shouldn't everyone be obligated to live their whole lives by the standard you hold your email to?
They will when we have Mygrain technology and everything can be played back.
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Amen.

This reminds me of a young 13 year old who was gang raped in a Muslim country. She reported the offense to the authorities. While they couldn't prove her accusation against the perpetrators, they could tell she had sex. Her reward was to be publicly stoned.
My "favorite"-sarcasm story like this was the teacher who was fired after a student stole her phone, and shared nude photos she kept on it.
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My "favorite"-sarcasm story like this was the teacher who was fired after a student stole her phone, and shared nude photos she kept on it.
Pretty damn ridiculous.

I've often wondered just how many people in today's digital age have had images of themselves naked or having sex thinking they were private. My guess is that percentage has grown dramatically over the years. It probably is wise not to ever do that. It's also boring.

I think anyone who exposes those images without the subject's permission is the lowest kind of scum.
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