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Old 31st October 2019, 07:19 AM   #1
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Eric Ciaramella - whistleblower

https://www.realclearinvestigations....er_120996.html


RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate"
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:20 AM   #2
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Well the Trumpers can start the campaign of terror against him, as is the plan.
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:46 AM   #3
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If I'm working on a client's PC and I find child porn. I will report that to the authorities.

If he turns out to be a political figure with far right leanings it in no way, shape or form means that I reported him because I'm a Democrat. It's complete and total ********.

People can do their job AND have political bias at the same time. It's not a "one or the other" type of scenario. We've read the transcript, we've heard the witnesses, we've read their statements for ourselves. The fact that the call has been confirmed by so many sources to be completely factual (and evidence of a quid pro quo), and the president has all but admitted it, means that his bias is completely and entirely irrelevant.
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:49 AM   #4
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"We won't listen to anyone who is biased against Trump. Also not liking Trump counts as bias."

I'm sure Trump will backhandedly order his followers to deal with this guy by the end of the day.
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There is no reason to post the name here.
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If the whistle-blower was the love child of Hillary Clinton and "Eric Hoteham", the facts would be no less damning for Trump, and his identity would be no more relevant.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://www.realclearinvestigations....er_120996.html


RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate"

Total bollocks. Everything that the whistleblower reported has been thoroughly confirmed by others including those with direct first hand knowledge, not to mention the released summary of the call. There is only one purpose of outing him and that is demonization and possibly exacting revenge on someone doing his patriotic duty.
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Yeah it's like we have Whistleblower protection laws for a reason or something.
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Old 31st October 2019, 08:09 AM   #9
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You are still a whistleblower if you have a grudge. Deep throat (technically not a whistle blower?) wasn't neutral.
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Old 31st October 2019, 08:34 AM   #10
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This should have been posted in the "trumpers are fascists" thread.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah it's like we have Whistleblower protection laws for a reason or something.
It sure would be a shame if something happened to him, nudge nudge wink wink.
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Old 31st October 2019, 08:55 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
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RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate"
Thank goodness we still have some people in the Government who's bias is against the criminal currently holding the office of POTUS. Else, we might never know as much about his malfeasance as we do after the actions of this brave man.

A pity for the people of North Korea that they have so few members of their government with a bias against Kim Jong Un.
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The only people who are allowed to blow the whistle on Trump are Republicans. No. Wait. What?
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I know that certain posters are really, really fond of counts -- even after said counts have been rendered preposterous, but I digress. Later today I'll tally up the whistle-blowers, official and otherwise, for our mutual entertainment.
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Old 31st October 2019, 09:23 AM   #16
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The only people who are allowed to blow the whistle on Trump are Republicans.
Except if they're "Never-Trumper" Republicans. Which they are, if they blow the whistle on Trump. Only Republicans who don't blow the whistle on Trump are allowed to blow the whistle on Trump.
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Old 31st October 2019, 09:27 AM   #17
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RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office.
Well, there goes protecting whistleblowers out the window...
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Old 31st October 2019, 09:31 AM   #18
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A pity for the people of North Korea that they have so few members of their government with a bias against Kim Jong Un.
Yeah I suspect most of them would rather not be fired from a cannon.
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Well, there goes protecting whistleblowers out the window...
I thinks journalists are allowed to disclose whistleblowers?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I thinks journalists are allowed to disclose whistleblowers?
Whether they are or not doesn't necessarily mean they should.

This is the one and only comment I'm giving before you inevitably try to suck this down some pedantic, ethical, verbal slapfest.
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The OP's total devotation to Dear Leader is touching.
Althought the story is unconfirmed...the guy named is just one of many being floated around.
And I love the way the OP ignores that everything the whistle blower says has been confirmed by other sources.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And I love the way the OP ignores that everything the whistle blower says has been confirmed by other sources.
As is the SOP for the OP, applecorped didn't actually say a ******* thing. None of the words in the OP are his own. He used a quote from the link, didn't put it in quotes, and then left it for others to read. He didn't make any comments, didn't draw a conclusion, didn't have an opinion. Just wanted people to see that the pathetic douchebags that represent the GOP\Right Wing are frantic to get someone's name out there so they can begin to punish him for daring to speak up.
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As is the SOP for the OP, applecorped didn't actually say a ******* thing. None of the words in the OP are his own. He used a quote from the link, didn't put it in quotes, and then left it for others to read. He didn't make any comments, didn't draw a conclusion, didn't have an opinion.
This is a common and predictable style of present-day so-called "debate" on the internet - making one's positional argument solely in the form of quotes, because that means it's somebody else making the claims or statements, not me, so I don't have the burden of supporting or proving them and in fact I'm not even saying I agree with them at all, I am just sharing them for purely informational purposes.
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And I love the way the OP ignores that everything the whistle blower says has been confirmed by other sources.

It's no different than the people constantly claiming that the Steele Dossier was "completely discredited".
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I heard the name leaked late yesterday afternoon from the standard Right Wing troll pages but none of the mainstream, even Right Wing mainstream, news agencies have even hinted at it yet.
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Purportedly the illustrious Devin Nunes is behind this effort, via an aid.
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A top aide to Rep. Devin Nunes has been providing conservative politicians and journalists with information—and misinformation—about the anonymous whistleblower who triggered the biggest crisis of Donald Trump’s presidency, two knowledgeable sources tell The Daily Beast.

Derek Harvey, who works for Nunes, the ranking Republican on the House intelligence committee, has provided notes for House Republicans identifying the whistleblower’s name...
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
This is a common and predictable style of present-day so-called "debate" on the internet - making one's positional argument solely in the form of quotes, because that means it's somebody else making the claims or statements, not me, so I don't have the burden of supporting or proving them and in fact I'm not even saying I agree with them at all, I am just sharing them for purely informational purposes.
Except that no one is fooled. It's assumed that what you quote and which agrees with what you usually quote or say is something you (general) agree with.
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When you got nothing to fight the charges, fight the messenger.

Sorry applecorped, toothpaste is out of the tube. The whistleblower is no longer all that relevant.
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Total bollocks. Everything that the whistleblower reported has been thoroughly confirmed by others including those with direct first hand knowledge, not to mention the released summary of the call. There is only one purpose of outing him and that is demonization and possibly exacting revenge on someone doing his patriotic duty.
Also to frighten potential future whistleblowers into not doing so.
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When you got nothing to fight the charges, fight the messenger.

Sorry applecorped, toothpaste is out of the tube. The whistleblower is no longer all that relevant.
But there's hatin' and harrassin' to be done of any potential whistleblower!
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://www.realclearinvestigations....er_120996.html

RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate"

What the Trumpers don't seem willing to grasp is that all federal government employees are sworn -- literally -- to protect the U.S. Constitution and serve the American people, not help a President get re-elected or protect him from exposure of his crimes.
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I heard the name leaked late yesterday afternoon from the standard Right Wing troll pages but none of the mainstream, even Right Wing mainstream, news agencies have even hinted at it yet.
Look, the proto-form of a spine. Now watch it melt away in a matter of days.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I heard the name leaked late yesterday afternoon from the standard Right Wing troll pages but none of the mainstream, even Right Wing mainstream, news agencies have even hinted at it yet.
Several names are being kicked around as the Whistleblower.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
As is the SOP for the OP, applecorped didn't actually say a ******* thing. None of the words in the OP are his own. He used a quote from the link, didn't put it in quotes, and then left it for others to read. He didn't make any comments, didn't draw a conclusion, didn't have an opinion. Just wanted people to see that the pathetic douchebags that represent the GOP\Right Wing are frantic to get someone's name out there so they can begin to punish him for daring to speak up.
What is interesting about applecorped is he did not really have strong political opinions until about 4 years ago, when he went to the extreme right.
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What is interesting about applecorped is he did not really have strong political opinions until about 4 years ago, when he went to the extreme right.
Or did he? He posts his own thoughts so rarely that it's hard to tell if he's not just having a bit of fun with us.
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Also to frighten potential future whistleblowers into not doing so.
That too. There is a genuine purpose for the anonymity. I think whoever the whistleblower is has become irrelevant since EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING has been corroboratedl. Let's deal with the factsl as opposed to trying to shoot the messenger.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The OP's total devotation to Dear Leader is touching.
Althought the story is unconfirmed...the guy named is just one of many being floated around.
And I love the way the OP ignores that everything the whistle blower says has been confirmed by other sources.
awwwwww..... I didn't vote for him


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Didn't take long for the knives to come out and people stop addressing the article and start personalizing it but that's is, as someone recently said here.....SOP
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Old 31st October 2019, 12:23 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
It's no different than the people constantly claiming that the Steele Dossier was "completely discredited".
The Whistle-blower Complaint IS the Steel Dossier of this scandal.

As far as we are able to tell, everything the whistle-blower has said has been thoroughly and repeatedly confirmed by a parade of highly credible fact witnesses. Furthermore, nothing the fact witnesses has said so far has contradicted anything the whistle-blower has said (if there was, we would now know about it, because it would be beyond reason to claim that none of the 46 Republican congressmen present at the depositions would have leaked it to the press).

Additionally, those fact witnesses have testified to even more egregious behaviour by Trump and his minions, things that the whistle-blower did not mention.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Didn't take long for the knives to come out and people stop addressing the article and start personalizing it but that's is, as someone recently said here.....SOP
Considering that by exposing the whistleblower you are DOING the EXACT same thing on a bigger scale, what did you expect? Are you really going to defend going after the whistleblower instead of the substance?
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