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Old 5th June 2009, 02:35 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
http://www.twf.org/Library/woi3aL.pdf

He wrote this piece and in it he denies flight 77 and flight 93 existed and includes his version of history for other events.

Enver's lies on 911 match Balsamo's (Rob is the p4t terrorist loyalist selling DVDs filled with dirt dumb rant), and the moronic lies of CIT.

That book is sure one big bunch of Bullcrap.
I love his attempts to whitewash the Taliban's dynamiting of the statues, and his firm beleif that no Muslim anywhere ever did anything wrong.
Just plain astonishing.
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Old 5th June 2009, 02:42 PM   #122
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I looked for him in the roster of the Distinguished Flying Cross Society - couldn't find him.

http://www.dfcsociety.org/citations....0&nav_letter=L
Check the sex offender registry.
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Old 5th June 2009, 03:10 PM   #123
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One of the speakers will do the speaking for p4t delusions. He will not be presenting evidence. He will use talk.

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U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ....

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ..."
911 delusion conference. Will the stupid hurt? What will he do now that Bush bashing is out; or is Bush bashing bigger now for the 7 years of stupid delusions club.

The can't handle the truth junk line.
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I would like to see Lankford push his theories at a reunion of his old squadron and see what happens.
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Old 5th June 2009, 05:27 PM   #125
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I hope some Jrefugees show their faces. They better learn to behave themselves and speak civilly and when its their turn, or I will walk off that stage and personally escort them out of the conference room.
If it is a community center and they are not paying for the room (which seems to be the case) do they actually have the right to force you to leave?

I would never encourage anyone to be a disruptive element, but if they do open the floor to questions I see no harm asking about their conclusions not matching their evidence.
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Old 5th June 2009, 05:58 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert View Post
Once again...an appropriate time to post this:

One of these guys is going to escort me out? They couldn't do that they don't have the comprehension skills to understand they are being heckled let alone understand a statement is contrary to their dirt dumb delusions.
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Old 5th June 2009, 11:34 PM   #127
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Hmmmmm.......
So now the CIT CULT are moving even deeper into the Terrorist Apologist realm.
Maybe they need to do some traveling outside of the US and see the devastation that OBL has wrought.
You would think to do a complete investigation they would care about that.
Maybe they interview the families of the women and children that OBL's bombs have killed.
I doubt we will ever see the CIT CULT do this.
In fact Craig has posted many many times about how he thinks the war on terror is phony.
Now he and the CIT CULT are pairing up with a terrorist denier and the CIT CULT treehouse forum lately has been brewing with Jew hate.
Hmmmm not much separates terrorists apologists and holocaust deniers.
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Old 6th June 2009, 02:43 PM   #128
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That's a good guess!

At what point do the wings fail?

Where is the failure?

Does one or both fail catastrophically or gradually?

Remember, if there is no video, the failure was caused by a "beam weapon".

ETA: We could always let pffft do the calculations and they never fail on this depicted approach. They only fail on the "hockey stick" approach!
In a documentary on the making of the Boeing 777, there's film of a test to destruction of a prototype wing. Both wings fail catastrophically and loudly at 154% of design load.

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Old 6th June 2009, 10:13 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by TjW View Post
In a documentary on the making of the Boeing 777, there's film of a test to destruction of a prototype wing. Both wings fail catastrophically and loudly at 154% of design load.

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Nice repost... (beachnut already posted it )
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Old 7th July 2009, 02:47 AM   #130
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Why does anyone pay ANY attention, to the Citizens Idiot Team? Really?
Nostalgia for me. Revived my blog for one post anyway and I'll follow the news on this "national security briefing." It's coming right up... Pinch was talkin about going, etc... the Youtubes mill be fun if you're bored and but there's no good reason beyond that I suppose.
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Old 7th July 2009, 03:30 AM   #131
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Originally Posted by Caustic Logic View Post
Nostalgia for me. Revived my blog for one post anyway and I'll follow the news on this "national security briefing." It's coming right up... Pinch was talkin about going, etc... the Youtubes mill be fun if you're bored and but there's no good reason beyond that I suppose.
I thought about it for a nanosecond and decided against it. The biggest reason is, of course, I have my reserve duty that weekend in Norfolk. I spent most of June on an aircraft carrier (Harry S Truman) and will be busy with after-action reports on their Composite Training Exercise.

So it came down to attend a fringe freak show with lunatics, overweight flunkys and nutjob Sky Kings or fulfilling my duty. Easy choice.
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Old 8th July 2009, 02:09 PM   #132
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I was thinking about this earlier today and thought I would post it in this thread. One of the lines that the CIT-heads use constantly is, "What are the odds that all 13 of our eyewitnesses are wrong?" But what happens if we flip that around and say the opposite: "What are the odds that all 13 of their eyewitnesses are 'right'?"

Let's grant them for the moment the premise that the NOC is correct. We know that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, but let's be generous here, and say that 70% of eyewitnesses would get things basically right and 30% would get things wrong. What are the odds then that all 13 of CIT's witnesses, which they claim are the only ones they could find, would corroborate the NOC flight path?

About 1% (.70^13=.0097). Even if we raise the eyewitness reliability to 80% the odds of 13 "correct" out of 13 is only about 5.5%. Even at a 90% reliability, the odds of all of them having the same answer is only 25.4%.

So it seems to me that even if we accept that their existing 13 eyewitnesses all agree on NOC, it is extremely suspicious that they would do so, and suggests strongly that there were other eyewitnesses that do not agree with NOC, but that CIT is not telling us about them.
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Old 8th July 2009, 02:20 PM   #133
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So it seems to me that even if we accept that their existing 13 eyewitnesses all agree on NOC, it is extremely suspicious that they would do so, and suggests strongly that there were other eyewitnesses that do not agree with NOC, but that CIT is not telling us about them.
They present it in their stupid video. They just don't count it. Example.

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Old 8th July 2009, 02:55 PM   #134
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So it seems to me that even if we accept that their existing 13 eyewitnesses all agree on NOC, it is extremely suspicious that they would do so, and suggests strongly that there were other eyewitnesses that do not agree with NOC, but that CIT is not telling us about them.
I asked once at LCF why we should believe that they have showed us ALL the witness interviews they did. They ignored me, of course.

I also asked why we should believe "their" witnesses and not believe Penny Elgas, who gave a VERY graphic description of the plane flying into the side of the building. The response was basically "find out which side of the Citgo she saw the plane on". Like that's the only thing that matters.
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Old 8th July 2009, 04:01 PM   #135
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So it seems to me that even if we accept that their existing 13 eyewitnesses all agree on NOC,
I dont know the exact statements by all 13 of their, "witnesses" but didnt they cherry pick some of those statements regarding NOC?
In other words some of their witnesses didn't actually say it flew NOC but rather Craig implied it by their statements.
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Old 8th July 2009, 04:05 PM   #136
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I asked once at LCF why we should believe that they have showed us ALL the witness interviews they did. They ignored me, of course.

I also asked why we should believe "their" witnesses and not believe Penny Elgas, who gave a VERY graphic description of the plane flying into the side of the building. The response was basically "find out which side of the Citgo she saw the plane on". Like that's the only thing that matters.
A couple of years back Craig the CIT CULT leader promised to release a 4 hour researchers edition in which I believe that he promised the un-edited interviews.
That never happened.
BTW I want to thank my family, friends, JREF debunkers, etc.....
I have a thread pinned over at the CIT cesspool with my name in it!
LOL and I am not even what I would consider a "debunker"!!!
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I've heard Craig Ranke say that he's talked to dozens of witnesses. Yet, for some insane reason, only 13 are included in their "evidence."
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If pathetic had weight, those two guys standing next to each other would create a black hole.
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I was thinking about this earlier today and thought I would post it in this thread. One of the lines that the CIT-heads use constantly is, "What are the odds that all 13 of our eyewitnesses are wrong?"
I'll trust your math there, but 13 aren't wrong. Just a few, with the rest misread. Personally I agree even those few being independently wrong is slim, but throw in a few phone calls and it becomes more likely.

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...all 13 of CIT's witnesses, which they claim are the only ones they could find...
They sorta claim that, but of course admit talking to quite a few others, who are just liars and stuff. Now I took a look at just what's published, no original interviews, and found 17 witnesses clearly describing the south path in some undeniable way. (there are several others less strong).
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com...ocumented.html
It's a great read, BTW.
Of these seventeen, CIT have spoken to twelve, some of them the CIT-provided interview contained the proof for SoC. Of these twelve witnesses, at least four have been strenuously dismissed as non-witnesses of the most sinister kind, doubt cast on two, and FIVE cherry-picked and claimed as unequivocal NoC peeps after all.

The remaining is their "flyover witness" who never said any such thing.

Oddly, there's also a case of them doing the opposite, and rejecting a handy NoC-supporting account to brand him a SoC official story MSM liar dude (Sucherman).
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com...c-witness.html

So by CIT logic, when they find a south path witnesses (England, McGraw, Zakhem, misread Sucherman, etc.) they become "suspect witnesses" and not counted. Unless they can "flip the votes," of course, their brains are rigged for it.

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...there were other eyewitnesses that do not agree with NOC, but that CIT is not telling us about them.
Brainster earns his name! Except, of course, they are telling us ALL about them.
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com...ious-ones.html

Rebel - yes, Paik is one of the south path witnesses. He consistently draws it wrong, least wrong in that pic, but he saw it down the Pike like everyone and indicates the correct wing bank and altitude. It's in their video - left wing low, no impossible knife-edge right bank.

Sylvan - Ironically, their take on Elgas is that her account is TOO detailed. It's suspicious!
They hate her as a witness, so they're well aware what side of the Citgo her master wanted her to mean. She's an SoC witness.

Bobert: Yup. Some accounts are claimed on nothing more than "it was over..." and ignoring like seven better clues to the contrary.

Stellafame - I'm still standing too close to them, huh? Perhaps I shuffle aside now...
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Aw jeez... just saw this, re: the wicked liar Penny Elgas - Jeff king phone interview 6/5/09. I don't have the time, but anyone else...
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=605
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Ligon: She sounds very sweet and genuine.
Oh, King forgot to ask her which side of the station. If he had, the sweetness would soon turn...

Edit... help!! I'm being sucked back into the black hole!
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Originally Posted by Caustic Logic View Post
Rebel - yes, Paik is one of the south path witnesses. He consistently draws it wrong, least wrong in that pic, but he saw it down the Pike like everyone and indicates the correct wing bank and altitude. It's in their video - left wing low, no impossible knife-edge right bank.
And of course Keith Wheelhouse drew it to the T. I never watched "the pentacon" or any other stupid CIT video besides a few clips on YouTube. From the posts I've read, I take it Coked-out Craig and Wide Waldo back tracked and said Wheelhouse "doesn't count" because his POV wasn't good enough. One might think that they'd sort out these matters BEFORE they have him draw the flight path. It's almost as if they are only interested in north of citgo flight paths. I'm starting to doubt the credibility of these "independent journalists".
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Is *anyone* going to this thing? Or will it be merely a meeting of the CTPA (CIT/PfT Treehouse Association)? I have a mtg at the Pentagon tomorrow. I'll see if I can find out if Lagasse knows about it, although I remember the account by the OC Weekly reporter, Nick Schou, when he asked about Craig and Alpo:

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When reached at the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)—the official name of the Pentagon police agency, where he's now a lieutenant—Lagasse groaned when he heard the names Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis and said he couldn't comment without permission from a press officer.
Talk about poisoning the well of information gathering.

I'm pretty sure it will be nothing more than a mutual circle-jerk gathering of the CIT/PfT lunatics. They like to do that, like a back-woods inter-bred family of gap-toothed, drooling vacant-eyed half-breeds with an IQ matching their spandex-expando waist lines, ball cap on cockeyed, of course.
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Thanks for the info, Caustic Logic and Unloved Rebel; I have used it in a rather rambling post at SLC.
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I'm pretty sure it will be nothing more than a mutual circle-jerk gathering of the CIT/PfT lunatics. They like to do that, like a back-woods inter-bred family of gap-toothed, drooling vacant-eyed half-breeds with an IQ matching their spandex-expando waist lines, ball cap on cockeyed, of course.
A very likely ACCURATE, and VERY VERY FUNNY description.

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CIT's competition at the conference center is the "BERNITA & NATALIE FAULKNER BIRTHDAY EVENT". The birthday girls have a room with an occupancy of 250, while the pathetic, lying morons only got a room that can hold 80.

I hope the Faulkners aren't cute little twins since it would be ashame if Aldo and Craig's creepiness spoiled their birthday.
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cit's competition at the conference center is the "bernita & natalie faulkner birthday event". The birthday girls have a room with an occupancy of 250, while the pathetic, lying morons only got a room that can hold 80.

I hope the faulkners aren't cute little twins since it would be ashame if aldo and craig's creepiness spoiled their birthday.
80?
Lmao!!!!!!!
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80?
Lmao!!!!!!!
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nevermind, he's banned. I just now saw that.

Daaannnnggggg.....I was gonna have fun with him!!
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nevermind, he's banned. I just now saw that.

Daaannnnggggg.....I was gonna have fun with him!!
Who is banned?
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Coats and ties are required for men, dresses for the fillies.
$5 at the door for the fellas, But it's ladies night at the "twoofer" expo.
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Just make sure and get there BEFORE Aldo gets to the all you can eat buffet!
Wouldnt that be cool to put aldo's face on this image below?

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That's one I haven't seen bfore Bobert, but not as good as this candid new shot of Craig just begging for some "flyover" action...
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I think Justin may have found a new avatar, with a little Photoshoppery...

Did anyone actually go to this little extravaganza?
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I think Justin may have found a new avatar, with a little Photoshoppery...

Did anyone actually go to this little extravaganza?
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Just make sure and get there BEFORE Aldo gets to the all you can eat buffet!
Wouldnt that be cool to put aldo's face on this image below?
http://images.bluebeat.com/an/0/2/1/5/1/l15120.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:...l15120.jpg</a>
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CIT's competition at the conference center is the "BERNITA & NATALIE FAULKNER BIRTHDAY EVENT". The birthday girls have a room with an occupancy of 250, while the pathetic, lying morons only got a room that can hold 80.

I hope the Faulkners aren't cute little twins since it would be ashame if Aldo and Craig's creepiness spoiled their birthday.
Happy birthday, little girls.

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Now I thought I had the best avatar ever, but you win dtugg!
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Originally Posted by Alt+F4 View Post
Now I thought I had the best avatar ever, but you win dtugg!
Thanks! I can't take all the credit though since it was jhunter's idea.
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OMG I spitting up my lunch laughing over all those pics!
I am going to see Bruno hopefully it will be funnier than Borat.
I am especially looking forward to scene with Ron Paul
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Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
Is the buffet on the north side or south side of the Citgo?
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