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Old 18th September 2019, 08:08 AM   #81
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:19 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
You can't count on anything aside from death and taxes. But my general appraisal is that when Trump is out of office, the GOP will go one of two ways.

1) We were always against him anyway! He's really a democrat, you know, friend of the Clintons! Look at this conspiracy theory!

In this case, they won't have any problem prosecuting him after office.

2) We go deeper into Trump style politics, in which case, Trump sharing some state secrets is very low on our list of active concerns.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:37 AM   #83
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Trump is no Kingmaker, simply because he doesn't want anyone else bu himself to be the King.
Once out of office, he might still go on promo-tours In Red States for one candidate or another (for the right price), but i don't see him shilling for a presidential candidate.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:38 AM   #84
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I think it is more likely the GOP begins the "we aren't looking backwards, but forwards" spiel, and blaming democrats for the deficits. They never take responsibility for anything that might be perceived as negative.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:38 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I think it is more likely the GOP begins the "we aren't looking backwards, but forwards" spiel, and blaming democrats for the deficits. They never take responsibility for anything that might be perceived as negative.
Yea like with W.
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Old 18th September 2019, 11:31 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is no Kingmaker, simply because he doesn't want anyone else bu himself to be the King.
Once out of office, he might still go on promo-tours In Red States for one candidate or another (for the right price), but i don't see him shilling for a presidential candidate.
Ivanka.
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Old 18th September 2019, 11:45 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Ivanka.
She would be good, but not as good as him. Don't believe me, ask him.
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Old 18th September 2019, 01:10 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

I used to kind of like Lindsey Graham but those days are long gone. Still, he squeaked a little about Trump's response to Iran shooting down a drone and I'm certain he knows far more than Trump does about national security.

I'm not sure the post-presidency Trump will have much to offer in terms of secrets. For one thing he bungles the facts so badly that depending on him for accurate intel would be stupid.
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Old 18th September 2019, 04:35 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

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Maybe I'm a little jaded at this point, but Republican senators won't say anything negative about Trump. They are still afraid of his base, and their main purpose in life is to get re-elected.

Do you believe they are making private criticism? Talk is cheap - if you don't put pressure on him in public or do something actively in private, you are complicit. IMHO
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
She would be good, but not as good as him. Don't believe me, ask him.
That's why after she's inaugurated in 2029 after his third term, he'll still sit in the oval office and make all the decisions.
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Old 19th September 2019, 06:31 AM   #91
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Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-r...111903952.html
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Old 19th September 2019, 06:38 AM   #92
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Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-r...111903952.html

Imagine him in the 1940s. "Normandy isn't going to know what hit it!!"
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Old 19th September 2019, 06:43 AM   #93
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Old 19th September 2019, 07:12 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

I used to kind of like Lindsey Graham but those days are long gone. Still, he squeaked a little about Trump's response to Iran shooting down a drone and I'm certain he knows far more than Trump does about national security.

I'm not sure the post-presidency Trump will have much to offer in terms of secrets. For one thing he bungles the facts so badly that depending on him for accurate intel would be stupid.
I don't see Graham's tweet as criticizing Trump necessarily. He called Trump's decision "measured". That is a positive term. He said that it was interpreted as a sign of weakness, not that it should have been interpreted thus nor that there was a better alternative.

Such nuance was, of course, lost on Trump.
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Old 25th September 2019, 10:56 AM   #95
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
Well, the good news is that he's not likely to remember any significant secrets for more than 30 minutes after he's out of office. Or his memory of them will be so muddled that he will actually be an effective disinformation agent.
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Old 6th December 2019, 11:24 AM   #96
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Time to bump this thread, this time with information relating to the Ukraine/impeachment inquiry...

From: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-giuli...nt-cia-1475868
Trump's alleged ongoing use of an unsecured phone line means his apparent calls with Rudy Giuliani were likely listened in on by Russian intelligence services...

A lot of this is circumstantial... no direct evidence that Russians listened in, just calls in various phone logs from an unsecured number, and testimony from people familiar with Trump indicating he often uses a personal cell phone because it won't be logged. Still, Trump hasn't given any reason to think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 7th December 2019, 03:15 PM   #97
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Trump is definitely insecure.
You stole my joke.

Except it's not a joke.
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Old 7th December 2019, 03:46 PM   #98
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Time to bump this thread, this time with information relating to the Ukraine/impeachment inquiry...

From: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-giuli...nt-cia-1475868
Trump's alleged ongoing use of an unsecured phone line means his apparent calls with Rudy Giuliani were likely listened in on by Russian intelligence services...

A lot of this is circumstantial... no direct evidence that Russians listened in, just calls in various phone logs from an unsecured number, and testimony from people familiar with Trump indicating he often uses a personal cell phone because it won't be logged. Still, Trump hasn't given any reason to think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
...and every reason not to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 7th December 2019, 08:43 PM   #99
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
At the moment, I don't think anybody's ruling out the possibility that "when he's out of office" might mean "when he died of old age a decade after cancelling the 2024 election."

At which point "what [edit] we do when he's out of office?" is "Continue to follow St Petersburg's orders."
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Old 8th December 2019, 07:29 AM   #100
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Just finished the audio book of Proof of Conspiracy by Seth Abramson, and he brings this up, too. Whenever Trump is on the phone, you can bet all of America's rivals and enemies are listening in.
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Old 14th January 2020, 01:27 PM   #101
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Another possible security breach by Trump....

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/warr...-iran-tip.html
Presidential contender Elizabeth Warren is demanding a federal investigation into whether President Donald Trump provided advance notice of the deadly strike on Iran’s Gen. Qasem Soleimani to stock traders who may have profited illegally from the tip....“If this report is true, it raises a number of troubling national security questions regarding President Trump’s handling of classified and other sensitive national security information”

But, but her emails!
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Originally Posted by The Norseman View Post
I really keep thinking this thread should be titled "tRump's Insecurity Issues" because they're so unsurprisingly related.
Well said.
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Another possible security breach by Trump....

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/warr...-iran-tip.html
Presidential contender Elizabeth Warren is demanding a federal investigation into whether President Donald Trump provided advance notice of the deadly strike on Iran’s Gen. Qasem Soleimani to stock traders who may have profited illegally from the tip....“If this report is true, it raises a number of troubling national security questions regarding President Trump’s handling of classified and other sensitive national security information”

But, but her emails!
to be fair, those big investors really, really Needed to know, in the interest of personal gain.
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Imagine him in the 1940s. "Normandy isn't going to know what hit it!!"

At least de Gaulle only shared such things with his tailor.
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