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4th May 2014, 09:49 AM | #401 |
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The spirit world do try to teach us, but only at a pace we are capable of understanding. To give absolute proof of psychic powers to the world would put power in the hands of unevolved people that would use it entirely for their own ends. But the spirit world does teach at its own pace from behind
the scenes. I recommend the book, "The teachings of Silver Birch". http://www.angelfire.com/ok/SilverBirch/Tcon.html |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Another reminder about memory: How Recalling Memories Alters Them
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What unevolved people could use the power? I thought you had to be evolved in order to have the power. If everyone could have the power even if they were unevolved, why don't they? Even if there's no actual proof, it must be obvious that something's going on. If it's not obvious and it's no different than dumb luck, then why would you believe that it's anything other than dumb luck?
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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6th May 2014, 07:02 AM | #414 |
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There is spiritual development, and there is psychic development. Ideally they should proceed together so that there is a balance. If psychic development gets ahead of spiritual development then we would end up in a world of warlocks and witches using their powers to enslave the rest of us.
There are already people like David Morehouse, who claim to have been recruited by the CIA for paranormal espionage. We do not need more of that. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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If you've ever been to a magic show, you'll know how misleading uncritical experience can be when supplied with intent to deceive...
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How do you know this would happen? Has it ever been done? Do you have any evidence that David Morehouse is actually capable of paranormal espionage? There is currently plenty of power imbalances in the world, and for the most part, society manages to restrain the vast majority of abuses. Why do you think a paranormal imbalance would be any different? To paraphrase one of my favorite fantasy authors, "No matter how powerful the wizard is, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style." |
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You really need to distinguish between claims and reality. US authorities did run a program with people who claimed remove viewing abilities, but abandoned it when they turned out to be useless. There won't be any more of that, because it doesn't work. If it did, the world would be a different place and we'd have found Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 weeks ago.
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As I have said, I was given the exact name of a dead baby brother I did not even know I had. So there was nothing vague about that.
I was taught how to open the third eye (brow chakra) by the late spiritualist medium, Ursula Roberts. Firstly you start with a prayer, (to raise your vibrations to a higher plane) The lords prayer will do. Then you concentrate on trying to see a spot of light in front of you. When you get to see a spot of light you try to expand it out wards. Think of opening a flower in your forehead. When you have finished, make an equal amount of effort trying to close it again as you do not want to walk around with it open to the spirit world. That could be disturbing. If it worked for her it may work for anyone, and I am going to persevere at it for a while to see if I can confirm the existence of the spirit world for myself. |
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Scorpion, is this third eye spiritual?
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That's what I meant by word salad.
third eye - not established brow chakra - not established psychic energy channel - not established etheric body - not established Bunch of terms jumbled together, with no real meaning discernible. "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." Carl Sagan Back to lurk mode. |
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I don't know, maybe I will be able to see the number telepathically being transmitted by Michael H on his telepathy test thread. But I doubt it.
Maybe the spirit world wants me to preach their teachings on the Internet, which is why they gave me five numbers on the lottery in 1998, to buy my first decent computer. Actually I have used it to try and undermine Islam by criticizing the quran since 9/11. I have done this on a number of other forums. Mostly using the name Dajjal. I read the quran after 9/11 and decided it was a terrible indictment of God made up by Muhammad to control people. I want to free the minds of Muslims from fear of Allah by preaching spiritualism to them. It is only recently I have come here to debate with atheists. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Its not word salad, its terms well known to theosophists and spiritualists.
I said on an early post on this thread, that I used to have a feeling like fire flowing through my chakras, which is the way I came to know about them. It turned out to be caused by my etheric body being made loose due to mental stress I had suffered. Spiritual healing (which I could often feel as energy flowing through me) eventually cured the problem. |
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If you go to the British museum and look at old statues of Buddha, you will see on some of them, there are stone flowers on the brow, and the palms of the hands of some of them. The chakras are ancient knowledge, and there are people today who preach their existence, and use them for healing. One of them is Barbara Anne Brennan. See the link. Her book "hands of light", can be found on the Internet as a pdf file.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Brennan There are supposed to be 7 main chakras, and 21 minor chakras. There is one in the palm of each hand, and one in the soles of each foot, and one in each side of the temples. I used to channel healing energy through them to heal myself, and I could feel the energy building up. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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So, no means of effectively communicating the result of that 'seeing with your 'third eye'. I'm not surprised.
It's not the 'spirit world' wanting you to do any 'teaching' or preaching, it's you. And you have to do this empty handed ..... So you want to remove people's (muslims) belief and insert another unsupported irrational belief you think is better, in it's place. That's not very nice of you. |
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I see your problem there. Muslims do not "fear" Allah. They embrace him with their hearts and souls and fingers on the triggers on the bombs. I expect your efforts there are as ineffectual as they are here. Whyncha concentrate on emphasizing the sin of murder/suicide on those fora? .
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The quran contains many terrible verses of what God will do to people, burning them in eternal fire and pouring boiling liquids on them that will burn their insides as well as their skins. I am trying to do Muslims a favour and liberate them from the fear of such a God by literary criticism of the quran.
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If the third eye is psychic, and psychic powers are related to the spiritual plane, then is the third eye not also related to the spiritual?
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