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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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27th April 2014, 01:49 PM | #124 |
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Scorpion, thank you for patiently answering all our questions.
............ I have been trying to follow your description, but I am a bit confused. If I may ask several questions, it may clear up my understanding. 1) after we physically die our spiritual energy goes to a higher (?) realm or plane, is there a name for this location or level? 2) when in this plane, we can remember our most recent Earth-life (as evidenced from our ability to contact still living people with details of our lives). Can we remember all our previous lives? 3) when in this plane, can we communicate with others in this plane? Do the more enlightened souls try to teach things to the less enlightened souls? Do souls get to watch what is happening on Earth? Do these observations provide learning experiences for the souls or is learning completely limited to souls that are living on Earth. 4) why would hearing a voice before winning a lottery be considered an astronomically rare event? Most of the lottery players (and other gamblers) I have encountered often describe having a strong feeling, or emotional revelation , or sudden insight indicating that success is imminent. .... You seem very happy with your belief system. I have no desire to talk you out of it. |
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Simple probability tells us that we should expect coincidences, and simple psychology tells us that we'll remember the ones we notice... |
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27th April 2014, 03:27 PM | #129 |
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Years ago I had recommended to me a book by Gary Zukav, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters".
It was a long time ago, but at the time I thought it an interesting read. In retrospect, Zukav was probably reaching for his parallels between new physics and mysticism, but I still enjoyed it. So, when I heard about another of his works, "The Seat Of The Soul", I procured a copy. I made it maybe 20% through. It was nothing like the first book. It reminded me of how Scorpion makes his case - what I think of as "argument by assertion". Souls are here. Souls are there. Souls do this. Souls do that. All without a whit of evidence. A major disappointment for me. Hard to imagine it was written by the same guy. |
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From the founders of Spiritualism, the Fox_sistersWP.
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Well then, that should be easy to test, and it would give you some solid evidence to show us. You would need to block out sound, vision, and scent, and have someone lead you into various religious buildings of differing ages. After spending a fixed amount of time in the space, you would then exit to a neutral location, and record your feelings. You could also test to see if there is a difference between the power in religious buildings and non-religious ones. If you were consistently correct, then there would be something there to explore. Would you be willing to do this? |
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Reminds me of a Lyle Lovett song, "God Will", though admittedly expressing a very different sentiment:
Who keeps on trusting you When you've been cheating And spending your nights on the town And who keeps on saying that he still wants you When you're through running around And who keeps on loving you When you've been lying Saying things ain't what they seem God does But I don't God will But I won't And that's the difference Between God and me So who says he'll forgive you And says that he'll miss you And dream of your sweet memory God does But I don't God will But I won't And that's the difference Between God and me |
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There are supposedly separate realms, each of which has many levels.
There is the Astral plane, (linked to emotion)and the Mental plane. We have a separate body for each plane. recently departed people cannot remember more than their last incarnation, only enlightened souls that have completed their cycle of incarnations can remember all their past lives. They can remember them in perfect detail and the memories are all stored in the soul (causual)body. The soul body is formless and infinitely expandable. So there is no limit to the memories it can contain. Souls can certaily observe what is going on on the earth, and understand things better than we can. I am sure spirits can learn, but only in the struggle of life on earth can we really evolve. I just know it is what happened to me. |
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Scorpion, the word "supposedly" is one you should use more often:
There are supposedly separate realms, each of which supposedly has many levels.If you are certain, then drop the qualifiers; it sounds like you don't know for sure. If you have doubts, this is a good place to hang around. |
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I heard at a spiritualist trance lecture that it takes as many as thousands of incarnations to achive enlightenment and freedom from karma. We may be at a high stage of spiritual develoment, but we still have to incarnate until all karmic debts are settled. We do not only incarnate on this planet, but on many similar worlds at different stages of evolution. This has all happened before in past ages, and many spirits have completed their cycle, and achived a state of grace where they no longer need incarnation. After that they continue on as immortals in higher planes of existence.
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You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy |
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Read your history and observe how many truly awful people with millions of deaths on their hands died of old age, in bed.
"bad karma" delivered post-mortem? Meh! . Contemplating the afore-mentioned auto-de-fe... those were done by those of good faith on their enemies because they weren't certain that the proper punishment would be delivered to those miscreants after death! Had to inflict as much pain as possible to the victim while they were available! And they did many truly awful things to those poor people! Shoulda pissed their god off, that the believers didn't trust his divine judgement! |
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My father, a very rational man in most ways, believed in the Spiritualist ideas that he would go to different levels when he died, so I understand something of what you believe. I do not, however, believe any of it! I appreciate that you have not raised this point, but what I would be interested to know is, do you feel it is right to teach children that what you believe is true? Do you think they should be adult before hearing such unevidenced ideas? |
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