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28th April 2012, 09:55 PM | #8361 |
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Seemingly offtopic, but I do have a point... I think...
What is the general concensus on the credibility of the magazine National Wildlife? Is it even worth using something from them in any way? |
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29th April 2012, 07:39 AM | #8363 |
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29th April 2012, 09:52 AM | #8364 |
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I expect you to not distort or cherry-pick what I say, regardless of what you feel others did to you.
The very fact thay a % of criminals and politicians open their mouths when they feel they have not got their hands in their cuts is enough to show your argument is flawed. Its like the "Bob walks like Patty therefore Bob is Patty" line. Its not good evidence because other people can also walk like Patty. Its not exclusive. Nope. It is exactly what I would have to happened if someone who took part in a fraud and had not received his/hers cut, someone whom initially had no intentions of being identified as taking part of the scam, after some time thought "to the hell with it all, they are profiting with the scam and I haven't got my deserved share". Its not unusual for politicians and criminals to search for the media to expose and blow a scheme they want busted for some reason. |
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29th April 2012, 12:46 PM | #8365 |
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Well I am not about to make a point, when that point is based on something from said source, if said source is a publication of ill repute...
So again... I only ask, before I try to make such a point, that I get some small sample of general consensus of whether or not that publication has merit in these necks of the woods... |
29th April 2012, 01:12 PM | #8366 |
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29th April 2012, 03:04 PM | #8367 |
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Polygraph detectors don't work properly on me. They say I'm lying about nearly everything, including my name. I worked for a company that had some thefts once, and everyone had to take a polygraph exam. I ended up taking 3 of them, from 3 different examiners. They even said I was lying about my name, date of birth, and hometown. So we set up questions that they knew I would not be lying about (what is the address of this office, what color are my assistants eyes, etc. but in yes or no form) and it said I was lying about them. The examiners said about 2 % of the population has that problem.
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29th April 2012, 03:07 PM | #8368 |
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To make my above post fit with the OP: they also said that polyrapht tend to fail on the side of saying someone is lying when they're not, as opposed to being truthful when they are actually lying.
This was in about 1987, so things might have changed since then. |
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29th April 2012, 04:31 PM | #8370 |
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Parcher actually has made reference to it, albeit in such a way that I am unable to determine whether it was considered ridicule or otherwise.
Wrt respect for opinions: I have showed the same respect given. In that, I respect your right to have your opinion, but that does not include any clause where I must agree with it, nor abandon my own for any reason other than evidence presented to the contrary. Same as my opinion has no evidence (yet), neither does any other differing opinion on the same matter have such evidence (yet). |
29th April 2012, 04:48 PM | #8371 |
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I had a quick question(s):
Has anyone on the Forum been to the Bluff Creek site and is it accessible by road etc..? Is access any different now than it was 44 years ago ? Tried to google it but just a bunch of BFF silliness. Thanks ! |
29th April 2012, 05:29 PM | #8372 |
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Originally Posted by wheunis
Originally Posted by National Wildlife Magazine - Dick Kirkpatrick, Executive Director, April-May 1968
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29th April 2012, 05:32 PM | #8373 |
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Thanks Parcher.
I shall then proceed to use their information as it is, and let discussion be the judge. I will start on it - might just end up being nonsensical wall of text, but I feel something might arise from it, even if it is my own realization in some way. |
29th April 2012, 05:38 PM | #8374 |
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29th April 2012, 05:50 PM | #8375 |
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Originally Posted by parnassus on BFF
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29th April 2012, 06:11 PM | #8377 |
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29th April 2012, 07:14 PM | #8381 |
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There has been considerable discussion in the past.. I don't think any of the JREF regulars have been to the area.
Munns was involved in a planned expedition that was featured on one of the Discovery channel shows, which included the use of a helicopter.. I don't think there is road access today .. There is no indication the exact location of the site can be identified today. |
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29th April 2012, 07:15 PM | #8382 |
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Not me.
Neither friend's dad. I just took a topographic map and googleEarth snaps to him. Didn't tell him why, just asked him how hard would it be to get to "more or less this area on the map", and such. Pretty much comes to you can get around 4-14 miles within the site, depending on conditions, with a "town car". He said it SHOULD be possible to get right onsite with a proper 4x4 and good driver, depending again on conditions. His biggest comment was about soil solidity (or something like that), during heavy rain; coupled with clearance height of the car in question. And the only other thing he noted was that access was difficult to ascertain as there is no telling about ongoing logging, flooding, or other such activities taking place in such a location. It might be EXTREMELY easy after a flood, or it could just as well become "downright impossible no matter what you drive". Regarding how it was back then... no knowing for 100% sure. Logging and such might have made it extremely easy, or even near impossible. Ask a log-truck-driver to tell you about getting stuck in the mud where the machines have been busy... So unless someone has complete records of such events for that area, it would be impossible to know. Even with those records, it might still not be conclusive. |
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Here is a recent thread at the BFF about the site.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/...-rediscovered/ |
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As far as ' how accessable it was in 1967 '; P & G, Titmus, Dahinden, Greene and others were getting in and out of the area with no mention of any particular problems..
There was a logging road, right by the site.. One of the reasons why it is clear the horses were props ... |
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Didn't Bigfoot Bookman do a series of videos on P&G site recently? Don't know if it will help or hinder but it might be worth a look. They should be on YouTube.
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29th April 2012, 07:44 PM | #8387 |
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That was one of my initial conclusions as well.
Another question it raises however, and the reason I sought info from my friend's dad, was Bob H's claim that he "drove there" in his mother's car. Now I never did nail it down to what he meant by "there". Another unknown variable is that its never stated if he just drove to nearby (how near? /shrug) and got picked up by P-G on horseback or in the truck; Or if he drove right into camp/site/forest-as-far-as-he-could. But yes, based on what we see, it should have been more than possible for them to have ignored horses and just used Gimlin's truck. Part of Green's interview shook me to this as well, where Gimlin recounts their processes as "riding the horses" until after the machines left, and then "take the one-ton pickup when the equipment was off the road, so we could drive the roads". As far as that statement goes, however, I could only conclude that it may have not been possible to drive the truck while the machines were around. I have tried to find a hole in that statement, but come up short due to lack of information on the topic. At best, one must ask "Did all the machines just run away for the week while Titmus, Dahinden, Greene and others were there?". |
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wheunis: If you're interested in the PGF film you might find this post I made interesting.
http://pgfhoax.blogspot.com/ |
29th April 2012, 08:14 PM | #8389 |
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That your own work, River?
It's a decent bit of work, but as I have always known to be the case, the footers took your work and ridiculed it. Something about the photo clearly showing the edge of the next print in front of his face, by the brow/nasal bridge. I believe what is needed is no longer just the subtle nuances of "oddities" or anomalies, but a full-on planetary collision. The sledgehammer of evidence, as it were. Something as irrefutable as the Sun. |
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Dahinden made the Patterson film site sound fairly isolated when he said Patterson and Gimlin "were in rugged country, twenty-five miles from the nearest blacktop." (Sasquatch/Bigfoot: The Search for North America's Incredible Creature, page 114)
Though he's talking blacktop/paved roads, and not logging/dirt roads. Byrne however, made the area sound like a typical weekend getaway, or camping area, with a dirt road running alongside the bed of Bluff Creek. He wrote that "a hoax party could too easily be surprised by a car coming up this creek bed road...", and, "any weekend one was liable to encounter small groups of people from Hoopa, or from Willow Creek, or even further, driving up there in their cars...". (The Search for Bigfoot, pages 148-149) RayG |
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Anyone else think it's hilarious that here on this site which prides itself on debunking "woo" blah etc that this thread has gone on for 168 pages about a video of a total "woo" topic, to say nothing of the glaringly bad fakey video of some fat guy wearing a B movie cheap monkey suit? lol
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You must have missed the 411 page/16,431 reply thread.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=42523 |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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River, in the photo of the single print being cast, there's a rock formation that juts up out of the ground a bit, casting a sliver of shadow. That rock formation is not present in the overhead shots of the track path.
I don't think it's the same location. |
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I went to re-check what it was they were claiming...
The red circles in image linked below, show the "object in front of his face, so obviously the foot is behind his head in that shot! DUH DEY SO STOOPID!" http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...dcastthing.jpg ETA: Dammit, please hold while I experience technical difficulties with edit on photobucket... ETA2: Technical difficulties resolved. |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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If the imprint were to be behind his head as "footers claimed" then it would be aligned differently with the prior imprint. (see green and yellow lines for reference) Not to mention the distance that would put the next imprint at would be more than double. (than the following imprint is on the footage showing the trackway) Not saying you're making that claim -- just making it clear.
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