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4th July 2012, 08:19 PM | #8681 |
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That really is a shame.
And with the Morris suit in the museum, try to get rough dimensions. Pay attentions to the hands and feet. How many pieces make up the total suit. What the fur is made out of. How much it cost to make, how much it sold for. Ask how he got it "back" from the P and G. Did he buy it? Offer a refund? Steal it? How much does it weigh? Ask if you can sniff it. Ask if there are any pictures of Bob H. in or with that suit. Ask if Bob H. has ever come by to see it or commented on it. Ask if you can put on the mask, or any portion of it. Maybe try to just talk to Morris about Bigfoot in general. See how far his interest in knowledge of the subject goes. Maybe ask employees off the record what they think about Morris' claims about the PGF. Sorry if this is a lot. I just think the more information the better. You never know what might be useful. And for what it's worth, I don't believe it is the suit. I don't trust Morris and don't know if I can trust Bob H. The more I read about everyone involved the more I am reminded of the Minnesota Iceman. ETA: Patty's fur reminds me of something... I'll try to post a picture later. |
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4th July 2012, 08:31 PM | #8683 |
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Well those were my thoughts and why I asked for suggestions. I'm pretty good at getting people to talk so we will see what will come of it if I can even get in the place.
I had no idea the place was so close to where I lived or I would have gone way before now. That's what I get for not being interested in the PGF. I'm thinking this is a suit like the one Patterson bought, not the actual suit. I also sew so I think I can at least get some kind of idea of how easy it would have been to change it. |
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4th July 2012, 09:20 PM | #8684 |
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4th July 2012, 09:53 PM | #8685 |
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That picture is remarkable by comparison to anything that is bigfoot "evidence". It is a crystal-clear close-up with the suit partially on/partially off to give both perspectives at the same time - both human and suit proportions.
I noticed our proponent has not done a comparison at-distance with the same resolution. You'd have to back off 50 feet and use a much lower resolution camera than above to compare to the PGF frames. |
4th July 2012, 10:59 PM | #8686 |
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Earlier I said I'd post a picture of something Patty's "fur" reminds me of.
Here is a bison. But this is originally what I was thinking about: It is a fur blanket I got as a gift and has crumpled up and smushed the hair down to get the desired effect. To me it looks like Patty's "fur" is matted or smushed down or maybe clumpy like the bison. |
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5th July 2012, 12:10 AM | #8688 |
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Ladies and Gentlemen! For your viewing pleasure I present to you, for the first time ever the 8th wonder of the world, bigfoot!
I call her Pat Plus + It's a bit rough. I photoshopped the mask onto his head and cut out the part of the picture too mangled for me to feel worth the effort to gussy up nice. I fixed the right shoulder a bit so it more closely matched the left. I put white in for the eyes instead of the creepy gaping black holes. Finally I tried to touch up the parts where the mask and the hand covered part of the suit. Here is the obligatory PG f'd version. Note: The only changes between this one and the one above is that it is smaller (16 mm of course!) and blurry. I don't think this proves anything. It was just an amusing activity. |
5th July 2012, 04:26 AM | #8689 |
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OMFG!
Those eyes! Its zombie bigfoot!!!! Run to the hills! Run for your lives! |
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5th July 2012, 04:56 AM | #8690 |
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As a standard male Brazilian, I consider myself a bit of an expert in female butts. That is indeed a big butt. If that's standard size for you, you live in place where obesity is an issue. My veredict, I believe it to be more precise than Meldrum's mid-tarsal-break talk.
By the way, you noticed that at your comparison, the cameras were at different angles, thus inducing perspective issues? Oh, note also it shows that certain claims regarding Patty´s limbs proportions being impossible to reproduce with costumes are flawed. |
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5th July 2012, 03:21 PM | #8692 |
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That just does not look normal. It's more frightening with the hair off of it....
So I called the number on the web site. Evidently it is the store, the museum is only open seasonally. Not only that, but they have moved the suit to corporate headquarters and it is not available for public viewing. I'll call corporate tomorrow when it is not my lunch hour and see if I can get anywhere with my request. After I hung up, I let my imagination wonder a bit about why they moved the suit out of the museum to corporate. Do you think they get aggravated by bigfooters calling? Was it a nuisance to have it in the museum next to the store with people asking to see it all of the time? Was theft a concern? |
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7th July 2012, 07:36 AM | #8696 |
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New MK Davis stabilization on YouTube. This looks great when cranked up to 1080p and fullscreen.
Every time he does this kind of thing he gives skeptics a big boost. Never before has Patty looked more like a guy walking in a Bigfoot costume. |
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Good find..
Davis apparently has an excellent copy of the film. Looks better than anything I have seen from Munns.. Does Munns intentionally share low quality stuff, or does he actually not have as good a copy ? |
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Or maybe Davis is better than Munns when it comes down to image processing software.
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Correa Neto;
"Or maybe Davis is better than Munns when it comes down to image processing software." |
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7th July 2012, 08:51 PM | #8703 |
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I don't know how all of you see all of this stuff in this video.
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7th July 2012, 10:29 PM | #8704 |
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Jodie there are a few skeptics with very good copies of the PGF. (myself being one of them)
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8th July 2012, 02:00 AM | #8706 |
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I was just pointing out that the "thigh line" is very clear on MKD stabilization (from 0:00 to 0:06). Nothing new, it has been discussed many times before.
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I see what you are saying when you point it out, but from a sewing point of view, I can't see how that would work as a seam or edge of a piece of costume. Are you saying that is a fold in a loose costume?
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There are a number of ways to build a gorilla costume. Sure, some make more sense than others. PGF images allow a number of interpretations. Again, some will make more sense than others. Some features can be interpreted as seams within a piece or limits between pieces or folds in the costume.
Given the poor quality of the images, IMHO, one can not go beyond the "I believe this feature is a..." point. Guesstimates, gut feelings, etc. Yes, one could use an argument like "in my experience, building costumes in that way..." to give more weight to the claim, but the truth is the data to actually back it in a solid way is just not there. As an alternative, one could rely on what the people who participated in the hoax spoke about the costume. But, as we know... Nothing at those images, however, can be interpreted as real muscles, hernia, etc., unless you are wearing believer googles. |
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This "straight line" is odd. It looks like there is a discontinuity in the fur that doesn't match with any muscle outline or any articulation.
So what is it? Just a flaw in the suit? the junction between two parts of the suit, the upper part covering the lower? Anyway, nothing natural IMO. |
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Yes, exactly Castro, you would be hard pressed to say what it is really. It's definitely an unnatural looking line on the thigh.
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Jodie: If you're ever in north Georgia around lake lanier area, sure. My girl and I could meet you at a public place for dinner and I could bring a laptop for viewing. The scans I have of the individual frames are large image files. Bill Munns posted some of those scans and also some composite images he made from them at this link on his website. That can give you an idea of the resolution and image size.
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Well, I live close, and do pass through Georgia going to visit my daughter or for conferences in Atlanta. I'll let you know the next time I'm headed that way. Going to check your link out right now.
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Sure thing, feel free to hit up my inbox.
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Good Lord what an indictment. All the road show audiences had was the unstablilized version.
When you compare the two, it demonstrates how hard Roger worked to conceal what he was doing. And he practiced with a camera, no disputing that, and practice makes perfect. To my knowledge (limited!), nobody has calculated the distance between tracks implied by the film. I counted once, and got 18 steps, or nine strides. Men average in step length about 31 inches or 62 inches per stride. Patterson reported 81.5 inches per stride. If both of them do 9 strides, one travels 46.5 feet, and the other travels 61.125 feet. That's almost a fifteen foot difference! People have done all kinds of measurements on height and I wonder if this one has been checked. Because if the tracks are claimed to be 81.5 inches in stride, whereas the PGF "creature" strode closer to 31", then the tracks were not made by the PGF creature. Roger made his tracks. Duh. |
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I have no rights to the film. I have a copy just like many others do. It is the same as owning a physical copy of the film itself. (mine as high res scans that came from part of Bill Munns inventory) The copyright lays with the copyright owner. I could show it to anyone I choose, just like playing a VHS movie copy of it or DVD. The rights are the same as any copy of a movie you might have rented or purchased.
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