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Old 29th June 2020, 08:24 AM   #1081
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Well, what do you think is more likely?
Well, she hasn't reached the "18000 lies" level yet, at least to my knowledge, so she is more trustworthy less untrustworthy in my book.

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Old 29th June 2020, 10:27 AM   #1082
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Can we please, once and for all, put to rest the notion that Republicans care more about the Troops than Democrats?
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Old 29th June 2020, 10:45 AM   #1083
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Can we please, once and for all, put to rest the notion that Republicans care more about the Troops than Democrats?
To answer your [fixed] question: I already have.
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Old 29th June 2020, 02:46 PM   #1084
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Can we please, once and for all, put to rest the notion that Republicans care more about the Troops than Democrats?

It isn't so much that they actually care more, or at all for that matter. It's that they have made the claim such an essential core posture of their ideology.

And the regular core supporters of the GOP, who lack the financial wherewithal to shield their children from military service (Yes, I know. They aren't getting drafted. But military service is still a good path out of abject poverty even though the pay is pitiful.) still give a damn about the welfare of troops in combat, since they are more likely to be related to one (or several) of them.

Repugnican pols have to at least pretend in public that they care, and their actual lack of concern can't be too blatant.
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Old 29th June 2020, 03:12 PM   #1085
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I posted something in the presidency thread about why I don't think this will amount to much, even though I hope it will. Bottom line, GOP senators have to keep covering for Trump if they think he is their best hope for re-election. If they had the power to force him from office I think they'd wait until after the election (assuming he wins). They are gambling everything on Trump eking out another win. To me the question isn't even do they personally care about troops. It's whether they think national security scandals will drag Trump down soon enough to ensure they go down with him. They're all-in, no matter what they know, and IMO people like Bolton, Mattis, Kelly and many, many others are privately briefing them, but the senators are just not in a position to do anything about it, even if they're convinced the intelligence is accurate.

Too much sunk cost in their alliance with Trump.
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Old 29th June 2020, 03:25 PM   #1086
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There wasn't a consensus about the bounty on American soldiers. Foreign Intelligence Service, or SVR, found no such intelligence existed....
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Old 29th June 2020, 04:12 PM   #1087
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I agree that he was told. He's just lying. I'd try to act surprised at that, but I'm not that good an actress.
I'd be more inclined to believe it was in a written brief he didn't read.
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Old 29th June 2020, 05:07 PM   #1088
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I'd be more inclined to believe it was in a written brief he didn't read.
The thing is that any normal person would have said something like "This is the first I've heard about this. I'm sure as hell going to get to the bottom of it, and there will be consequences." Trump says "I didn't hear about it, so it can't be true."
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Old 30th June 2020, 01:32 AM   #1089
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The thing is that any normal person would have said something like "This is the first I've heard about this. I'm sure as hell going to get to the bottom of it, and there will be consequences." Trump says "I didn't hear about it, so it can't be true."
Excellent point. He again made it all about himself and not taking responsibility.
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Old 30th June 2020, 01:50 AM   #1090
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
There wasn't a consensus about the bounty on American soldiers. Foreign Intelligence Service, or SVR, found no such intelligence existed....
and they ought to know!
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Old 30th June 2020, 02:16 AM   #1091
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American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ay/ar-BB167bfV
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Old 30th June 2020, 02:48 AM   #1092
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Here’s #RussianBounty story in a nutshell:
1-US raid randomly discovers wad of cash in Afghan hut (How much? In a safe? Under a bed? In Capone’s vault?)
2-Clever intell op exclaims, “Say I think this cash came from Moscow!”
3-During daily briefing @realDonaldTrump is told or not.
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Old 30th June 2020, 04:18 AM   #1093
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Given that Trump provably lies about literally everything else, why do people believe him when he says he doesn't know something? Of course he knows. He's lying to your face.

Whether or not Trump "knows," the White House knew back in March... of 2019. Whether or not Trumps's been "briefed," he was told about it then... by John Bolton.

https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1 [AP sources: White House aware of Russian bounties in 2019]

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“He can disown everything if nobody ever told him about it,” Bolton said.

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I wonder if Trump gets a commission on the bounty paid for each dead American soldier?

Because Trump ALWAYS takes his cut.
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Old 30th June 2020, 05:00 AM   #1095
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I wonder if Trump gets a commission on the bounty paid for each dead American soldier?

Because Trump ALWAYS takes his cut.
He is collecting bigly on the bounty on covid-dead Americans.
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Statement by DNI Ratcliffe: "I have confirmed that neither the President nor the Vice President were ever briefed on any intelligence alleged by the New York Times in its reporting yesterday." (1/2)

"The White House statement addressing this issue earlier today, which denied such a briefing occurred, was accurate. The New York Times reporting, and all other subsequent news reports about such an alleged briefing are inaccurate.” (2/2)
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Old 30th June 2020, 08:25 AM   #1098
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So Trump's position is that his government is incapable of bringing important intel to his attention.
That, if anything, is worse than him just ignoring Russia paying to have coalition troops murdered.
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Is this fake news Mr. President?

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Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.
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It was likely in the daily written briefings, which he never reads, but wasn't in the weekly oral briefings with accompanying colorful pictures, musical numbers, and party clowns to hold his attention.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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"The White House statement addressing this issue earlier today, which denied such a briefing occurred, was accurate. The New York Times reporting, and all other subsequent news reports about such an alleged briefing are inaccurate.” (2/2)


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It is quite possible that this is a case similar to Captain Crozier trying to draw attention to the spread of Covid on his Aircraft Carrier:
this might have come form someone desperately trying to get this information to the eyes of the President, only to be told that no one is allowed to bring bad news about Russia to Trump as a matter of principle, because that way he can deny ever having heard about it.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It is quite possible that this is a case similar to Captain Crozier trying to draw attention to the spread of Covid on his Aircraft Carrier:
this might have come form someone desperately trying to get this information to the eyes of the President, only to be told that no one is allowed to bring bad news about Russia to Trump as a matter of principle, because that way he can deny ever having heard about it.

This was my thinking.

Intelligence people are naturally predisposed to keeping things secret, because they know the risks to national security when classified information ends up in the wrong hands.

But at some point, they have to realize that a President who never even looks at their intelligence reports is himself a huge risk to national security - just look at what happened when he stuck his head in the sand when they warned him about COVID-19 back in January. At some point, the risk of inaction outweighs the risks of leaking, if you really do care about protecting the nation.
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Old 30th June 2020, 06:50 PM   #1104
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Ms McAninny claims now that the leakers are traitors and the real ones putting the troops at risk.
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It was likely in the daily written briefings, which he never reads, but wasn't in the weekly oral briefings with accompanying colorful pictures, musical numbers, and party clowns to hold his attention.
Do the clowns have big knockers? Otherwise, not interested.
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Do the clowns have big knockers? Otherwise, not interested.
Knockers?........seriously!, knockers!?!?
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Ms McAninny claims now that the leakers are traitors and the real ones putting the troops at risk.
Imagine how many battle could have been won if it wasn't for those pesky messengers bringing news of defeat!
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Old 1st July 2020, 10:42 AM   #1108
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Russia offered Taliban-linked fighters bounties to attack British troops
The group responsible for the payments is the same Russian intelligence outfit behind the Skripal poisonings, Sky News is told.

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-pa...istan-12016425
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But... but... but Putin told Trump it wasn't true!
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Anyone else wonder about the timing of this leak about the Russian Bounties?

My guess is that this was a part of Bolton's book that was deemed too secret to print - which meant it had to be leaked the more direct route.
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Anyone else wonder about the timing of this leak about the Russian Bounties?

My guess is that this was a part of Bolton's book that was deemed too secret to print - which meant it had to be leaked the more direct route.
Bolton certainly claims that he briefed Trump about this in the spring of 2019.
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Looks like Trump has received a rather important endorsement...

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Hint: its a Lincoln project parody video.
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Even if the Trump campaign didn't actually collaborate with Russia, the fact still remains that the Russians were very happy when Trump won. Every Republican should ask him/herself why that would be.
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Anyone else wonder about the timing of this leak about the Russian Bounties?

My guess is that this was a part of Bolton's book that was deemed too secret to print - which meant it had to be leaked the more direct route.
The Russian have been trying to kill Americans in Afganistan and other war Zones for years, part of the early phase of the 9/11 truth movement was inspired by Russian Propoganda.
Even when we were supposed to be Allied in the war on Terrorists they were double dealing us.
Found that out when they tried to hack my computer, in 2007, they failed misserably.
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Looks like Trump has received a rather important endorsement...

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Hint: its a Lincoln project parody video.
Very clever. But I think it would have more impact if the narration was in Russian-accented English. It demands more reading than Trumpers are used to.

And it's not a joke that Putin actually said he wanted Trump to win:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...on-2016-722486

Maybe they could have worked that in.
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Trump Tweets

NASDAQ HAD ITS 23RD RECORD CLOSE OF THE YEAR. OTHER EXCHANGES ARE FOLLOWING CLOSELY BEHIND. TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL REMAINING. BIG MONTHS UPCOMING. NEXT YEAR, DEPENDING ON AN ELECTION WIN, WILL BE ONE OF THE BEST EVER!
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Trump Retweeted

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"We gather tonight to herald the most important day in the history of nations: July 4, 1776."

244 years ago, 56 patriots gathered in Philadelphia and signed the Declaration of Independence.

They enshrined a divine truth that changed the world forever when they said: “All Men Are Created Equal!”

This left-wing cultural revolution will never be allowed to destroy our way of life or take away our freedom.

"Today, we will set history and history's record straight.

Before these figures were immortalized in stone, they were American giants in full flesh and blood, gallant men whose intrepid deeds unleashed the greatest leap of human advancement the world has ever known."

"No movement that seeks to dismantle these treasured American legacies can possibly have a love of America at its heart."

We believe in equal opportunity, equal justice, and equal treatment for EVERY American!
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Trump Tweeted

Thank you Jim. They are Fake News!
Jim Banks: New York Times Damaged National Security to Hurt Trump https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...to-hurt-trump/ via @BreitbartNews
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INCREDIBLE SIGHT: President @realDonaldTrump & @FLOTUS Melania Trump arrive at Mount Rushmore! #4thofJuly2020

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"We gather tonight to herald the most important day in the history of nations: July 4, 1776."

244 years ago, 56 patriots gathered in Philadelphia and signed the Declaration of Independence.

They enshrined a divine truth that changed the world forever when they said: “All Men Are Created Equal!”

This left-wing cultural revolution will never be allowed to destroy our way of life or take away our freedom.

"Today, we will set history and history's record straight.

Before these figures were immortalized in stone, they were American giants in full flesh and blood, gallant men whose intrepid deeds unleashed the greatest leap of human advancement the world has ever known."

"No movement that seeks to dismantle these treasured American legacies can possibly have a love of America at its heart."

We believe in equal opportunity, equal justice, and equal treatment for EVERY American!
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