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Old 8th September 2018, 08:44 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
cervical = neck
The trapezius muscles extend up the neck, and get a workout when you deadlift, since they contract to keep the shoulders in place. Still helps.

Plus, full body strength training increases HGH production, which helps increase bone density.
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Old 9th September 2018, 12:06 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
That's a strange comment..
Can one think they feel better, without actually feeling better?
That's exactly how a placebo "works".
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Old 9th September 2018, 05:21 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The trapezius muscles extend up the neck, and get a workout when you deadlift, since they contract to keep the shoulders in place. Still helps.

Plus, full body strength training increases HGH production, which helps increase bone density.
You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.
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Old 9th September 2018, 09:23 AM   #84
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You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.
It's not a matter of how big you are now. It's a matter of how much working out you're doing now. This is the internet and no one has done a proper exam on you here, but the workout advice is sound advice in general.
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Old 9th September 2018, 09:33 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.
How much of it is muscle, and how much is fat? How strong are the muscles, and how much work do they do?
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Old 10th September 2018, 10:44 PM   #86
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Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful
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Old 11th September 2018, 02:06 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Ha ha! I like it. Of course, he didnít go on the full beef cleanse which as we all know is six weeks of the squits to get the toxins out. Iím sure a good carni-naturopath could have told him that then he could have had a sharp mind like that Jordan Peterson.
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Old 11th September 2018, 05:16 AM   #88
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I've only seen him say that it helped him lose weight and feel better. I've never seen him say that it helps you lose weight and feel better. Have you?
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The first week of any low carb diet is hell. The Keto people call it Keto Flu, I forget what Atkins called it.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
The first week of any low carb diet is hell. The Keto people call it Keto Flu, I forget what Atkins called it.
Is there any good reason to do it 'cold turkey'? If you're determined to do it, why not just phase out the carbs slowly?
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Old 11th September 2018, 12:31 PM   #91
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Keto flu..
It's a commonly reported problem.
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Old 11th September 2018, 01:26 PM   #92
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Is there any good reason to do it 'cold turkey'? If you're determined to do it, why not just phase out the carbs slowly?
I don't know. Probably, but sometimes things are easier to stick to if you just draw a line in the sand. Reduces the decision making process. Just simpler.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I've only seen him say that it helped him lose weight and feel better. I've never seen him say that it helps you lose weight and feel better. Have you?
Not personally. I think it could be a sloppy insertion by the editor. In fact, it is Mikhaila Peterson who insists on the value of the beef diet. There is no doubt she promotes it and even charges consultation fees.
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What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.
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What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.
My recollection is "none".

This is a study with an n of 1 that was expanded to an n of 2 and no controls or procedures in place to give one any confidence in the data collected. Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural. Not data, maybe stories?
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What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.

Most MD's have relatively little formal education in diet and nutrition.
That doesn't stop them from prescribing powerful, metabolic altering drugs.
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Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural.
Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".
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Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".
What, you mean that the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence"?
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What, you mean that the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence"?
Evidences*
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My recollection is "none".

This is a study with an n of 1 that was expanded to an n of 2 and no controls or procedures in place to give one any confidence in the data collected. Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural. Not data, maybe stories?
I wouldn't go that far (I agree that it's just an anecdote). She kept a rigorous food diary and also recorded her symptoms with similar attention to detail. She started by eliminating most foods from her diet with the intention of adding them back in one at a time (and thus hopefully finding the one or two things that might have been causing a reaction). That seems like a reasonable procedure for someone who has been sick her whole life and been put on many different drugs by various doctors, some of which helped more or less but none of which alleviated her chronic illness. There was no guarantee that diet was the problem, but it's worth trying, no?

The diet approach may not have worked, and it's entirely possible that her apparent recovery is just coincidental, but if it were me I'd continue with the one thing that improved my health.

None of that suggests that the diet that she happened upon is a good idea for anyone else. It's also worth noting that the long term effects may take time to arise, for instance in vitamin deficiencies, so she'd probably do well to try to track those things.

If she wants to recommend something to others I'd say it's the method of tracking foods/symptoms and noting correlations between them to try to eliminate foods that might be causing an adverse reaction. But I think that's pretty well understood by people already, and is too much work to sell to anyone.
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I'm not a big fan of supplements, but I would think that in this case of such an extreme diet you would at the very least want to take Vitamin C.
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I'm not a big fan of supplements, but I would think that in this case of such an extreme diet you would at the very least want to take Vitamin C.
Not needed if you eat the meat rare/raw. And many animals besides humans make their own in their adrenal glands. EAT GLANDS TOO.

I wonder if the oft-quoted Rabbit Starvation is not a thing if you eat the liver, brains, and kidneys to get the fat? And is there such a thing as rabbit suet, fat inside the abdomen?
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I wonder if the oft-quoted Rabbit Starvation is not a thing if you eat the liver, brains, and kidneys to get the fat? And is there such a thing as rabbit suet, fat inside the abdomen?

No, there isn't such a thing. That's the problem, rabbit is too lean to provide sufficient fatty acids even if you eat the entire thing, organs and all. In US history, pioneers and other wilderness types living on a diet where their primary source of protein is rabbit have had to find alternate sources of fat to supplement it with, typically bear.
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Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".
It lacks a sense of wonder.
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No, there isn't such a thing. That's the problem, rabbit is too lean to provide sufficient fatty acids even if you eat the entire thing, organs and all. In US history, pioneers and other wilderness types living on a diet where their primary source of protein is rabbit have had to find alternate sources of fat to supplement it with, typically bear.
Cite? Where do rabbits store their reserves? Gonads are the only hting I hear rabbit seem to have an excess of.
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I find this beef diet to be totally absurd and the claims are insane, BUT this article is also garbage.

He's supposed to give this thing a try but right away there's the fact that the claims include it taking a while to start working and he's only doing it for a week. So already the test is essentially useless. Then he eats what sounds like slim jims for half his "meals" or skips food entirely because he doesn't seem to understand how cooking works and he wonders why he's feeling tired.

It doesn't take that long to grab some ground beef, salt it up, roll it into balls, and cook it. Poof, you now have non-disgusting easy to transport lunch. He acts like finding the time to cook a steak is almost impossible. This diet is SO MUCH EASIER than cooking a regular meal - does this guy just never cook for himself?
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I agree.

Anyone who has ever gone low/no carb from a standard American diet ( SAD ) knows there is a period of adaptation, not to mention some meal planning.
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