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Old 1st September 2017, 10:35 AM   #801
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
The "ironic" nature (not a kind of irony I appreciate particularly, I should say) stems from the fact that, while I was blocked from accessing this forum (where I have tried to conduct some telepathy research in the past), I was redirected to a strange "searching magnified" website. This, to me, suggest that research is better off when I am prevented from doing it ("irony").
Wrong. Everyone affected got that search magnified nonsense. It was not "targeted" at you. Stop making up nonsense.
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Old 1st September 2017, 05:23 PM   #802
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Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/questio...1091711AA7Qg7S . At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internation...posts_to_page/ ).

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.
There is a poster here named King of the Americas who believes in telepathy. You should connect with him. He is very interested in testing it.
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The outage seems to have lasted longer for me than for the other members, and seems to have been of a different, somewhat "ironic" nature ("searching magnified"), indicating that I was personally targeted, though in a limited way.

As a moderator, I can assure you that you were not targeted in any way, never have been and never will be.

In fact, we have no way of targeting an individual so that he/she cannot access the forum. Even banning a member does not prevent him/her from reading much of the forum as a guest.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 01:04 PM   #804
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Results of my latest test

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Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/questio...1091711AA7Qg7S . ...
I have now completed the test I started yesterday on Yahoo Answers (see link above), and I am in a position to present some results.

Because the test was not done in English, I shall translate it:

"Telepathy test: which word did I write of my paper?

Hello, I invite you to participate in a simple extra-sensory perception test.

I recently wrote and surrounded one of the five words: "voice", "head", "persecution", "violence" and "secret" on a sheet of paper close to my computer. I shall repeat this word from time to time during this test.

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even if you are not quite sure)

Thank you in advance for participating."

Five answers were given. "Persecution" (which was the correct answer) was answered twice, by Alexandre and an anonymous member; "voice", "head" and "secret" were responded one time each, respectively by Yellowstone, muret16 and cheikh tidiane, and nobody gave "violence" as the correct answer.

I also note that Alexandre, who correctly replied "persecution", wrote a fairly good, respectful and serious-sounding little text:
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I tried to guess the word before looking at the proposals. Persecution is what came closest to it.
(while the other responders did not), and that he has the best "best answer rate" on Yahoo of all participants (14% ; the others have 8%, 6% and 2 %, I don't know the best answer rate of the anonymous participant). This enhances his credibility.

So I believe that this test has been reasonably successful.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 01:08 PM   #805
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Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/questio...1091711AA7Qg7S . At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internation...posts_to_page/ ).

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.


I was also redirected to the"searchmagnified" site which is obviously the hosting service or domain registrar. The site was down for more than an hour for me as well...until I cleared my cache.


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Old 2nd September 2017, 01:23 PM   #806
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
I have now completed the test I started yesterday on Yahoo Answers (see link above), and I am in a position to present some results.

Because the test was not done in English, I shall translate it:

"Telepathy test: which word did I write of my paper?

Hello, I invite you to participate in a simple extra-sensory perception test.

I recently wrote and surrounded one of the five words: "voice", "head", "persecution", "violence" and "secret" on a sheet of paper close to my computer. I shall repeat this word from time to time during this test.

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even if you are not quite sure)

Thank you in advance for participating."

Five answers were given. "Persecution" (which was the correct answer) was answered twice, by Alexandre and an anonymous member; "voice", "head" and "secret" were responded one time each, respectively by Yellowstone, muret16 and cheikh tidiane, and nobody gave "violence" as the correct answer.

I also note that Alexandre, who correctly replied "persecution", wrote a fairly good, respectful and serious-sounding little text:

(while the other responders did not), and that he has the best "best answer rate" on Yahoo of all participants (14% ; the others have 8%, 6% and 2 %, I don't know the best answer rate of the anonymous participant). This enhances his credibility.

So I believe that this test has been reasonably successful.
And the question you posted?
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Bonjour, je vous propose de participer à un test simple de perception extra-sensorielle. J'ai récemment écrit et entouré l'un des cinq mots: "voix", tête", "persécution", "violence" et "secret" sur une feuille de papier proche de mon ordinateur. Je répéterai ce... afficher plus
Yes you gave the restricted answers BEFORE the test. That is no different than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

Furthermore, you had a mere 5 responses, 2 for persecution, one for voix, one for tete, and one for secret.

That's bollocks.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I was also redirected to the"searchmagnified" site which is obviously the hosting service or domain registrar. The site was down for more than an hour for me as well...until I cleared my cache.


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I don't know any hosting service or domain registrar called "searchingmagnified", xjx388. As a matter of fact, when I google "searchingmagnified", most of the results refer to malware.
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I don't know any hosting service or domain registrar called "searchingmagnified", xjx388. As a matter of fact, when I google "searchingmagnified", most of the results refer to malware.


Well, then it was a malware attack that took the site down. Point being that "searchingmagnified" was not something that happened just for you.


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I don't know any hosting service or domain registrar called "searchingmagnified", xjx388. As a matter of fact, when I google "searchingmagnified", most of the results refer to malware.
Bollocks. Click this. Call them if you want. Email them.
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I don't know any hosting service or domain registrar called "searchingmagnified", xjx388. As a matter of fact, when I google "searchingmagnified", most of the results refer to malware.
How is the protocol going that you're setting up with King of the Americas? He's very anxious to do a test if you're genuinely sincere about it and honestly think telepathy exists.
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How is the protocol going that you're setting up with King of the Americas? He's very anxious to do a test if you're genuinely sincere about it and honestly think telepathy exists.
King of the Americas has never indicated to me he was ready to participate in a telepathy test with me. Actually, he's a member here since 2001, and I don't think he ever participated in one of the 20 telepathy tests I did on this forum (or on its predecessor, the forum of the Randi Educational Foundation). Note that I do not say this to blame him, this is just a simple observation.
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King of the Americas has never indicated to me he was ready to participate in a telepathy test with me. Actually, he's a member here since 2001, and I don't think he ever participated in one of the 20 telepathy tests I did on this forum (or on its predecessor, the forum of the Randi Educational Foundation). Note that I do not say this to blame him, this is just a simple observation.
But that is common among purveyors of woo. One cannot step on the other woo.
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King of the Americas has never indicated to me he was ready to participate in a telepathy test with me. Actually, he's a member here since 2001, and I don't think he ever participated in one of the 20 telepathy tests I did on this forum (or on its predecessor, the forum of the Randi Educational Foundation). Note that I do not say this to blame him, this is just a simple observation.
So that I'm understanding, you want to do telepathy tests and believe in telepathy and King of the Americas wants to do telepathy tests and believes in telepathy. You believe you can send your thoughts to other people and he believes he receives thoughts.

But you don't want to do a test with him.

Is that about right?
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So that I'm understanding, you want to do telepathy tests and believe in telepathy and King of the Americas wants to do telepathy tests and believes in telepathy. You believe you can send your thoughts to other people and he believes he receives thoughts.

But you don't want to do a test with him.

Is that about right?
King seems to be particularly interested in the so-called "Psychic staring effect", wikipedia has an article about this alleged, controversial effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_staring_effect

My motivation, when I do ESP (ESP = extra-sensory perception) tests, is to try to demonstrate that I can project my thoughts to other people worldwide, because of a truly exceptional and apparently unique psychic phenomenon. The motivations and interests are not quite the same. In addition, I usually do my online telepathy tests with a group, a community of people, not with one single person. I have no reason to think that tests with King would be particularly successful. His choice of name and posting style can sometimes raise some eyebrows.
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King seems to be particularly interested in the so-called "Psychic staring effect", wikipedia has an article about this alleged, controversial effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_staring_effect

My motivation, when I do ESP (ESP = extra-sensory perception) tests, is to try to demonstrate that I can project my thoughts to other people worldwide, because of a truly exceptional and apparently unique psychic phenomenon. The motivations and interests are not quite the same. In addition, I usually do my online telepathy tests with a group, a community of people, not with one single person. I have no reason to think that tests with King would be particularly successful. His choice of name and posting style can sometimes raise some eyebrows.
And yet you've voluntarily come onto a skeptics forum to engage skeptics in your sham tests but then shy away from testing with someone who also claims telepathy exists.

You couldn't have made it more obvious that you know your tests are a sham. Just like King of the Americas knows he can't hear thoughts of others. You both know the other is a phony because you both know telepathy doesn't exist.
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And yet you've voluntarily come onto a skeptics forum to engage skeptics in your sham tests but then shy away from testing with someone who also claims telepathy exists.

You couldn't have made it more obvious that you know your tests are a sham. Just like King of the Americas knows he can't hear thoughts of others. You both know the other is a phony because you both know telepathy doesn't exist.
I don't "shy away" from testing on this forum. I no longer do telepathy tests on this forum simply because no one wants to participate in my tests any more (and other reasons). I believe I am strongly on the side of seriousness and integrity. I am not the good friend of spyware, malware and viruses.
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... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
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I don't "shy away" from testing on this forum. I no longer do telepathy tests on this forum simply because no one wants to participate in my test any more (and other reasons). I believe I am strongly on the side of seriousness and integrity. I am not the good friend of spyware, malware and viruses.
Yes, you're shying away from a legitimate test with another believer. Very disappointing. You have the very thing you've been asking for and when it appears you run away. And it's all because you both know it's a sham.
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Yes, you're shying away from a legitimate test with another believer. Very disappointing. You have the very thing you've been asking for and when it appears you run away. And it's all because you both know it's a sham.
King of the A. is simply not a particularly interesting (potential and hypothetical) partner to me in ESP tests. I can find thousands of other partners in the world, this is the latest example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=800
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King of the A. is simply not a particularly interesting (potential and hypothetical) partner to me in ESP tests. I can find thousands of other partners in the world, this is the latest example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=800
Sorry, I don't follow links from those who know their claimed powers are phony.
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King of the A. is simply not a particularly interesting (potential and hypothetical) partner to me in ESP tests. I can find thousands of other partners in the world, this is the latest example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=800
Yet somehow you can find nobody to demonstrate your ability.

Oh, and I am sure that KotA is just dilated at your your insult.
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Sorry, I don't follow links from those who know their claimed powers are phony.
Well, if you decide to shy away from looking at real evidence, I am afraid there is not much that I can do for you
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Well, if you decide to shy away from looking at real evidence, I am afraid there is not much that I can do for you
I'm not mad at you, just very disappointed. And certainly not surprised since you know it's phony. Same for the other "believer" who knows it's phony.
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King of the A. is simply not a particularly interesting (potential and hypothetical) partner to me in ESP tests. I can find thousands of other partners in the world, this is the latest example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=800
Wait, wait, wait. On this site you have precisely one member who buys your nonsense and might be willing to test your so called telepathy, but instead of seizing the opportunity, you run away in abject fear that your claim might actually be tested? Really?
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Well, if you decide to shy away from looking at real evidence, I am afraid there is not much that I can do for you
It is quite clear from your posting history that you have no idea what real evidence is.
KotA, on the other hand, claims he does, but doesn't want to share it.

Should either of you ever post such, I doubt there is a member here who would 'shy away' from it. I certainly won't. It's kind of the whole raison d'etre of this forum.
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I'm not mad at you, just very disappointed. And certainly not surprised since you know it's phony.

I don't think MichelH "knows" that. I think he believes very deeply in his supposed ESP. He's been diagnosed by physicians as ill; he's not a charlatan.
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I don't think MichelH "knows" that. I think he believes very deeply in his supposed ESP. He's been diagnosed by physicians as ill; he's not a charlatan.
I'm aware of the diagnosis. I've also observed the lengths he goes to to avoid a proper test. Somewhere in his mind, he definitely knows what a properly conducted test would reveal.
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For you probably, yes. Here is the page of my new question: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/questio...1091711AA7Qg7S

While I cannot know the exact time of the beginning of the outage, I can nevertheless try to estimate it by looking at people's postings on the internet (it seems that, even during the outage, some people could still access the forum using various methods: phone, TOR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network), use of the IP address http://104.131.54.4 ...)
July 30: date of my latest test on Yahoo
August 31 (yesterday): I decide it is probably time for me to do a new test.
Today 6:59 am GMT: gerdbonk first mentions the outage on the ISF: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=322650
8:48 am: Glenn Baron first mentions the outage on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/
9:20 am: I post my new test on Yahoo (without knowing about the outage here).

The outage seems to have lasted longer for me than for the other members, and seems to have been of a different, somewhat "ironic" nature ("searching magnified"), indicating that I was personally targeted, though in a limited way.

It's true. The mythological Gremlin does exist.
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So I believe that this test has been reasonably successful.
Ignoring subjective judgements of credibility, there's no way that tiny set of responses can give you a significant (meaningful) result. Also, you chose some emotionally loaded words, which might subtly influence people's choices.

I would suggest providing a bigger selection of emotionally neutral words, and getting a sufficient number of responses to allow you to get a minimal level of statistical confidence in the result.

This has all been explained many times before, so I don't expect any change; I just thought I'd mention it again.
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I have just completed a new ESP test in French on doctissimo, the largest health forum in France: http://forum.doctissimo.fr/psycholog...et_47843_1.htm .

As usual in my telepathy tests, it was forced choice with a small (four) set of possible answers: "été" (summer), "automne" (autumn/fall), "hiver" (winter) and "printemps" (spring). I had written and surrounded one of these four words on my paper (automne" in the case of this test), and I asked people to tell me which word I had written. I received 8 replies, the correct word was given twice. The hit rate was 25%, and therefore not significant from the point of view of purely arithmetical, statistical analysis. It was possible to improve the result a bit by doing a credibility analysis (with the usual risk of lacking objectivity), but what I found the most interesting was a comment by "Diamant roses" (= "Diamond roses", note that this name suggests - but does not prove - high quality, a diamond is usually more expensive than a copy of the book "Flim-Flam!: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions" by James Randi), who said, after the test in which she gave the correct answer:
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Hi, I don't know why, but I had the word "automne" even before seeing your proposals! Thank you for this little game.
This is reminiscent of other apparent admissions of my "telepathy", obtained even on this forum:
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... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
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I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.
...
(note that the member name "Daylightstar" also suggests high reliability)

Did you also understand that I recently wrote "automne" on my paper for an ESP test? If so, would you be ready to admit it, or is it something you would rather not advertize, as a skeptic?
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Old 17th September 2017, 07:47 AM   #830
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Old 17th September 2017, 11:35 AM   #831
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I have just completed a new ESP test in French on doctissimo, the largest health forum in France: http://forum.doctissimo.fr/psycholog...et_47843_1.htm .

As usual in my telepathy tests, it was forced choice with a small (four) set of possible answers: "été" (summer), "automne" (autumn/fall), "hiver" (winter) and "printemps" (spring). I had written and surrounded one of these four words on my paper (automne" in the case of this test), and I asked people to tell me which word I had written. I received 8 replies, the correct word was given twice. The hit rate was 25%, and therefore not significant from the point of view of purely arithmetical, statistical analysis. It was possible to improve the result a bit by doing a credibility analysis (with the usual risk of lacking objectivity), but what I found the most interesting was a comment by "Diamant roses" (= "Diamond roses", note that this name suggests - but does not prove - high quality, a diamond is usually more expensive than a copy of the book "Flim-Flam!: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions" by James Randi), who said, after the test in which she gave the correct answer:


This is reminiscent of other apparent admissions of my "telepathy", obtained even on this forum:


(note that the member name "Daylightstar" also suggests high reliability)

Did you also understand that I recently wrote "automne" on my paper for an ESP test? If so, would you be ready to admit it, or is it something you would rather not advertize, as a skeptic?
Please pay attention to me
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I certainly welcome quality attention for my claims, not necessarily for me, as a person.

One thing that I find particularly important, and which is, I believe, in your interest, is that this forum be not just a place where skeptics "shoot" at believers, regardless of the evidence presented, which is not necessarily of a numerical nature (something apparently very hard for many skeptics to accept), and which can sometimes be slightly subtle. In other words, I believe that we should all be truth-seekers (regardless of its ultimate nature), and this should unite us. Our goal is not necessarily to make America great again by building a lot of fighter jets and tanks, particularly for those of us who are not American.
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
I certainly welcome quality attention for my claims, not necessarily for me, as a person.

One thing that I find particularly important, and which is, I believe, in your interest, is that this forum be not just a place where skeptics "shoot" at believers, regardless of the evidence presented, [...]

We shoot at fallacious reasoning, and ideas arrived at by bizarre "evidence" that is impervious to scrutiny.
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
I certainly welcome quality attention for my claims, not necessarily for me, as a person.

One thing that I find particularly important, and which is, I believe, in your interest, is that this forum be not just a place where skeptics "shoot" at believers, regardless of the evidence presented, which is not necessarily of a numerical nature (something apparently very hard for many skeptics to accept), and which can sometimes be slightly subtle. In other words, I believe that we should all be truth-seekers (regardless of its ultimate nature), and this should unite us. Our goal is not necessarily to make America great again by building a lot of fighter jets and tanks, particularly for those of us who are not American.
We have been over this before and you are still wrong.

This is no different than your original 1-4 nonsense. In fact, it's worse.

However, let's simply take a look at the responses you got. There were 8. That is not remotely statistically useful for starters, and you know this, because it has been explained to you ad nauseum right here.

In any event, what were those responses? Spring, summer, autumn, winter. How did those answers stack up?

Spring ---- 2 hits
Summer ---- 2 hits
Autumn ---- 2 hits
Winter ---- 2 hits


Yup. You proved telepathy does not exist and that you are not telepathic in any way..
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We shoot at fallacious reasoning, and ideas arrived at by bizarre "evidence" that is impervious to scrutiny.
Oh, you can scrutinise it. Visit that thread MichelH linked. It's the draw one would expect between four options. 25% for each of them.
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Oh, you can scrutinise it. Visit that thread MichelH linked. It's the draw one would expect between four options. 25% for each of them.
I'm trying real hard not to remember it.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
We have been over this before and you are still wrong.

This is no different than your original 1-4 nonsense. In fact, it's worse.

However, let's simply take a look at the responses you got. There were 8. That is not remotely statistically useful for starters, and you know this, because it has been explained to you ad nauseum right here.

In any event, what were those responses? Spring, summer, autumn, winter. How did those answers stack up?

Spring ---- 2 hits
Summer ---- 2 hits
Autumn ---- 2 hits
Winter ---- 2 hits


Yup. You proved telepathy does not exist and that you are not telepathic in any way..
You don't seem to have carefully read my post #825, abaddon.
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You don't seem to have carefully read my post #825, abaddon.
I did. You made bizarre claims.

The user named "Diamond" whatever must be more credible by dint of their user name. That is a useless claim. I could have registered on this site as "The One True god". Would that make me more credible to you?

How about the fact that the name I did register was "abaddon" as appears in Rev 9:11? Does that make me more or less credible?

Why is your username an anagram for "Ciel, hhm?" Do you stare at the ceiling? Should I make that conclusion? Why? or Why not?
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