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Old 10th August 2017, 10:44 AM   #1
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Been to the moon?

Have you been to the moon?

If so, you'd not need to trust others reporting what becomes/became 'history'. Depending upon perspective, one person's 'history' can be like fake news to another. Losers vs victors writing it being a popular example.

Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon? Rocket men and women, and other project staff would know.

But what of those further and furthest away from that perspective?

How far downstream in the information chain are those who must rely solely on trust in writers and reporters? Where in that chain does/must it become belief/faith? In terms of sophistication perhaps? Where are you on that info chain? How would others frame this question more simply?
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Have you been to the moon?

If so, you'd not need to trust others reporting what becomes/became 'history'. Depending upon perspective, one person's 'history' can be like fake news to another. Losers vs victors writing it being a popular example.

Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon? Rocket men and women, and other project staff would know.

But what of those further and furthest away from that perspective?

How far downstream in the information chain are those who must rely solely on trust in writers and reporters? Where in that chain does/must it become belief/faith? In terms of sophistication perhaps? Where are you on that info chain? How would others frame this question more simply?
If this is a thread questioning the moon landings then I'm going to be sorely disappointed in you, old chap, least of all because it's in the wrong category.
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I used to go the Moon at least once a week to play volleyball.

But now, the Moon has gotten so touristy with a Starbucks on the edge of every rim, that now I only go the Moon once a month or so when there is nothing good on TV.
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Old 10th August 2017, 10:55 AM   #4
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If this is a thread questioning the moon landings then I'm going to be sorely disappointed in you, old chap, least of all because it's in the wrong category.

Sigh...
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon?
The physics allow it, the tech allows it, the journey is evidently feasible, we have eyewitnesses, footage, pictures, moon rocks, and landers and flags still visible from telescopes.

There.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Sigh...
That all you got, Bubba?
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
The physics allow it, the tech allows it, the journey is evidently feasible, we have eyewitnesses, footage, pictures, moon rocks, and landers and flags still visible from telescopes.

There.
Now, now... Let's all put our tinfoil hats on and give this bloke a chance.
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The physics allow it, the tech allows it, the journey is evidently feasible, we have eyewitnesses, footage, pictures, moon rocks, and landers and flags still visible from telescopes.

There.
Of course.
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I'm pretty sure this nonsense belongs here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...splay.php?f=91
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Old 10th August 2017, 11:18 AM   #10
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If this is a thread questioning the moon landings then I'm going to be sorely disappointed in you, old chap, least of all because it's in the wrong category.
If you're mistaking this for a thread questioning the moon landings then I'm going to be sorely disappointed in you, old chap.

Its about the last paragraph in post #1. Moon landing being a popular example.

Apply it to any issue you wish

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How far downstream in the information chain are those who must rely solely on trust in writers and reporters? Where in that chain does/must it become belief/faith? In terms of sophistication perhaps? Where are you on that info chain? How would others frame this question more simply?
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
If you're mistaking this for a thread questioning the moon landings then I'm going to be sorely disappointed in you, old chap.

Its about the last paragraph in post #1. Moon landing being a popular example.

Apply it to any issue you wish
So you're just being intentionally vague for the sake of it? It seems that every person who has posted thus far was of the same opinion as me, so I guess you may want to be a little more clear when starting threads about the moon landings in a category regarding general skepticism and the paranormal, lol.
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I have not been to India. There are no tigers in India.

This is, of course, a completely new concept, which no person, especially no philosopher, has ever considered before. No, no, never.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Have you been to the moon?
No, I haven't been to the moon.

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If so, you'd not need to trust others reporting what becomes/became 'history'.
No., I 'd still need to trust others reporting about historical events. The fact I'd been somewhere doesn't mean that every report about what happened there is true.

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Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon?
No-one. The rest of us have sufficient indirect knowledge to know they went to the moon.

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Rocket men and women, and other project staff would know.
Their experience is indirect.

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But what of those further and furthest away from that perspective?

How far downstream in the information chain are those who must rely solely on trust in writers and reporters? Where in that chain does/must it become belief/faith? In terms of sophistication perhaps? Where are you on that info chain? How would others frame this question more simply?
Thanks to modern technology the chain for most of us is remarkably short. We can watch videos of the events. We can listen to interviews with the astronauts involved. We are but one step removed from being their ourselves. What a great time being alive.
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So you're just being intentionally vague for the sake of it? It seems that every person who has posted thus far was of the same opinion as me, so I guess you may want to be a little more clear when starting threads about the moon landings in a category regarding general skepticism and the paranormal, lol.
How would you present it then?

This:

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No, I haven't been to the moon.


No., I 'd still need to trust others reporting about historical events. The fact I'd been somewhere doesn't mean that every report about what happened there is true.


No-one. The rest of us have sufficient indirect knowledge to know they went to the moon.


Their experience is indirect.



Thanks to modern technology the chain for most of us is remarkably short. We can watch videos of the events. We can listen to interviews with the astronauts involved. We are but one step removed from being their ourselves. What a great time being alive.

Thank you.
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How would you present it then?

This:
By not naming the thread "Been to the Moon?" and then beginning said thread as though you're asking whether we can actually trust what we've been told and are being told about such things, especially in a category which is usually intended for things like Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts and psychics.

To answer the question, though, I've never been to the arctic, but I trust that it is indeed a place that has been frequented by us lot, and I don't need to act on faith in order to reason that such things are true, and thus have no need or desire to visit there myself.

The line of thinking that you're on seems to suggest that you think we should be more careful about what we believe, which is certainly true of some things, but I think you're swell when it comes to the moon, mate.
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Old 10th August 2017, 11:52 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Serious answer recognized and appreciated





Thank you.
Sometimes, it's hard to take threads like this seriously, especially when they're presented in such an odd and vague way. A case in point would be your "old maps for debunking" thread, which you began, then weirdly avoided replying to. There are far too many threads being started by certain members here who seem to enjoy asking odd questions and then never responding, only to then rinse and repeat in a whole new oddball thread. I've not been here as long as some members, but after being here for 7 years, it gets tiresome giving the benefit of the doubt to people who seem hellbent on being nonsensical for the sake of it.

I'm not necessarily saying that you're doing that, but it can appear that way when you post vague topics and then refrain from replying in any kind of "normal" manner, often leaving it to others to discuss, before going off and starting another thread with the same method.
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Yes. Why do you ask Bubba?
Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.

Unless former Apollo, please elaborate on when, how, why, etc.
Did you go alone ?
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Old 10th August 2017, 12:57 PM   #20
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Sometimes,..

I'm not necessarily saying that you're doing that, but it can appear that way when you post vague topics and then refrain from replying in any kind of "normal" manner, often leaving it to others to discuss, before going off and starting another thread with the same method.

Good to see the word normal in quotes. Sometimes it defies definition.

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Good to see the word normal in quotes as it can sometimes defy definition.
My use of quotations was more of a touch on the fact that what consitutes as normal can differ greatly from person to person.

At any rate, after viewing your profile and looking at the threads you've started, it seems that you are indeed one of those posters who begins vague threads, often in a pretentious manner, and then refrains from posting in them, leaving them to other people to discuss, which in my opinion is a form of trolling.
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I find it curious that you chose the moon landing as the example used in this thread when from conception to completion it was possibly the most well documented endevour in human history.
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Have you been to the moon?

If so, you'd not need to trust others reporting what becomes/became 'history'. Depending upon perspective, one person's 'history' can be like fake news to another. Losers vs victors writing it being a popular example.

Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon? Rocket men and women, and other project staff would know.

But what of those further and furthest away from that perspective?

How far downstream in the information chain are those who must rely solely on trust in writers and reporters? Where in that chain does/must it become belief/faith? In terms of sophistication perhaps? Where are you on that info chain? How would others frame this question more simply?
As with anything, people have the ability to look at the evidence and make up their own mind.

Regarding your chain analogy, when you get your facts from media and don't even question it, I would class that as far downstream in the chain.
I would not be surprised though if that was right in the middle of the chain, disappointed yes, surprised no.

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Bubba, do you believe the Apollo missions arrived at, landed on the moon and returned their craft and crews safely?
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It's been a while since one of your passive-aggressive JAQ threads, Bubba. Welcome back!

Will it be page 2, 3, ... [?] before you try the ol' interpret-someone's-answer-as-support-for-a-conspiracy routine?
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Other than those who went to the moon, who has sufficient direct knowledge/experience to know they went to the moon? Rocket men and women, and other project staff would know.
Well, I personally know a couple of people who have worked for NASA and the European Space Agency on various satellite and space probes. The science allows it, and I know plenty of people who would be only to glad to expose any hoax if there was one.
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I used to go the Moon at least once a week to play volleyball.

But now, the Moon has gotten so touristy with a Starbucks on the edge of every rim, that now I only go the Moon once a month or so when there is nothing good on TV.
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Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.
So this would be a book about people who have set foot on the moon? And also limited to those Apollo astronauts (that would be all of them) who stated publicly they landed on the moon? How do you determine if they were afraid to admit it or unafraid?

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Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.
All the people who have been to the Moon (both orbiting and orbiting/landing) have publicly and repeatedly spoken of it. That's the crews of Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17. No one was "afraid to admit it".
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Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.

Unless former Apollo, please elaborate on when, how, why, etc.
Did you go alone ?
Other, Signed a non-disclosure form.

Semi related, Ever been to the Byrd Station?
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Have you been to the moon?

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Stop being ridiculous.
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All the people who have been to the Moon (both orbiting and orbiting/landing) have publicly and repeatedly spoken of it. That's the crews of Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17. No one was "afraid to admit it".
Yep. My grandfather helped launch Apollo 8 in 1968. I'm very proud of his contributions.
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I don't frequent the paranormal forum much, but I actually, though apprehensively, took the thread to be about the last paragraph regarding chain of information, if you will. Silly me. The poster confirmed this, then later said it actually is about people going to the moon who are willing to admit it. Then I read a few other threads.

I have never been to the moon, and anyone claiming I have is a liar.

I stay away from the sub-forum as I often find it too frustrating (yet I frequent the Politics section?). My hats off to the rest of you.

Anyways, that "chain of information" thing could possibly be an interesting topic if it ever becomes one.
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Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.

Unless former Apollo, please elaborate on when, how, why, etc.
Did you go alone ?
I am considering researching a book on people devoid of a sense of humor or irony. I wonder whom I should interview first?
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Researching for book on people not afraid to admit publicly that they've been to the moon.

Unless former Apollo, please elaborate on when, how, why, etc.
Did you go alone ?
Bubba, the USA sent men to the moon in July 1969 and returned them alive. The Soviets knew this. The North Vietnamese knew this.

Every intelligent person on Earth understood this. You don't.

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So unless you personally set foot on the moon the factual status of the moon landings is "a matter of faith."

What utter incredible nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Have you been to the moon?.

I am Harrison Schmitt.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
But what of those further and furthest away from that perspective?
You mean people with pretty much zero understanding of physics and engineering?
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So unless you personally set foot on the moon the factual status of the moon landings is "a matter of faith."

What utter incredible nonsense.
Consider the source.
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