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Old Yesterday, 05:03 AM   #641
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
BTW. What I find interesting is how posters here use insults about my morality to denigrate any arguments I might put forward. How rich.
Nonsense. The criticism of your "arguments" is not dependent upon the discussions about your integrity. Please curtail your gaslighting. As Paul Bethke found out, it doesn't work terribly well on a forum where people can go back and read what you wrote and aren't afraid to do so.

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Old Yesterday, 05:20 AM   #642
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
What I find interesting is how posters here use insults about my morality to denigrate any arguments I might put forward. How rich.
Your morality, so long as you keep it to yourself, is your own lookout and is of no moment to the rest of us. Without plodding through the preceding exchanges I can recall nowhere that a poster has used any aspect of your morality to question the flim-flammery of your "arguments". Your "arguments" (see the preceding pages) are actually unevidenced assertions based largely on woo-woo. That those aware of and alert to woo-woo in its various forms should take you to task for for it hardly qualifies as a surprise. That you should infer insults where none exist is just one more stumbling block for you and your fantasies.
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Old Yesterday, 07:01 AM   #643
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Let me say that I was surprised when the Tarot cards predicted a preemptive nuclear strike.
You've shown no evidence that "the cards" do any such thing. The evidence points instead to you claiming the cards as some sort of externality for what is really just you making guesses you can spin later to have been predictions. I've seen many charlatans follow the same model: an external reference that must be "properly" interpreted by the special talent. Successes are attributed to the talent while failure is blamed on the externality over which the talent is supposed to have little if any control. The interpretational step allows for the vagary that empowers the postdiction.

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The moral high ground is that "the US was FORCED to do it".
Except for the part where a nuclear first strike is simply not militarily credible under any such circumstances, where the Congress is now actively seeking a way to prevent him from attempting it unilaterally, and where the president is being roundly criticized for his tone deafness in international affairs because of his actions at the U.N. All of this disputes a claim that the U.S. would have a moral justification for starting a nuclear war.

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What I find interesting is how posters here use insults about my morality to denigrate any arguments I might put forward. How rich.
You haven't made any arguments with any intrinsic merit on this point. In fact you've simply chastised your critics for not respecting your personal insight into international politics and military strategy. As I wrote above, you've demonstrated a willingness to profess expertise you simply do not have. Occam's Razor suggests this is just one more instance of such bluster. In a larger scope, most of your arguments on every point simply insist that you be given respect for special abilities you cannot demonstrate you have. You have said you're not here to get attention, but that's all I can determine you're after. You seem bent on baiting negative attention from a class you've designated as an adversary. Rather transparent trolling, if you ask me.

As for morality, that's a broad topic. The narrow focus here is on what seems to be a pattern among end-times claimants. They seem to relish the idea of global catastrophe and suffering. Some justifiably find this appalling, especially coming from folks who often also allege their own overall moral superiority.

Since insults are against the Member Agreement, please do us the favor of reporting for moderation those posts you believe contain actual insults. If they disappear, we'll consider that evidence in your favor. If they do not, we'll have to conclude that your accusation of insult was just hyperbole intended to support the victimization complex to which I allude above.
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Old Yesterday, 08:30 AM   #644
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Ha ha ha ha,
I have studied and used the tarot for a very long time.
I don't recall the combinations that say 'preemptive nuclear strike'.

Furiously flips through Crowley and Motherpeace.... Nope!

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Old Yesterday, 08:38 AM   #645
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Ha ha ha ha,
I have studied and used the tarot for a very long time.
I don't recall the combinations that say 'preemptive nuclear strike'.

Furiously flips through Crowley and Motherpeace.... Nope!

Perhaps THESE are the cards ParkSpetic is thinking about?

http://fusionlacedillusions.com/inde...h-tarot-cards/
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Old Yesterday, 11:13 AM   #646
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Perhaps THESE are the cards ParkSpetic is thinking about?

http://fusionlacedillusions.com/inde...h-tarot-cards/
Since all this tarot blather is about the future, I would have expected Trump to be on the Hanged Man card.
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Old Yesterday, 11:49 AM   #647
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post
Since all this tarot blather is about the future, I would have expected Trump to be on the Hanged Man card.

Your ignorance is showing because I assume you are interpreting the card in a negative way. That said, you may have just picked the correct card.

The card of the Hanged Man is usually interpreted as surrender to a Creative Intelligence that runs the universe. See the halo on the man's head, and his contentment!

He has an advantage over those poor sods who are without guidance in the current chaos - a good man to have as a leader.
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Old Yesterday, 11:55 AM   #648
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Ha ha ha ha,
I have studied and used the tarot for a very long time.
I don't recall the combinations that say 'preemptive nuclear strike'.

Furiously flips through Crowley and Motherpeace.... Nope!

Prove your claim.

Do you know how to do yes or no answers to questions?

If so, ask the questions I asked, and tell us your results.

Or are you one of the many many fraudsters and con artists?
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Old Yesterday, 12:03 PM   #649
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
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Since insults are against the Member Agreement, please do us the favor of reporting for moderation those posts you believe contain actual insults. If they disappear, we'll consider that evidence in your favor. If they do not, we'll have to conclude that your accusation of insult was just hyperbole intended to support the victimization complex to which I allude above.

Those calling me a liar and a troll. If the moderators want to remove them they can. A couple already have been removed, together with my response.

A victim must have feelings of victimization. I do not. I know the insults are baseless and wrong. And are just done to get under my skin - they do not. I am a fighter and am tempted to fight back in kind, but that is against the rules as you point out.
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Propaganda intended to make the coming US attack seem "moral".

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09...r-reveals.html

FEMALE PRISONERS IN NORTH KOREAN CAMPS RAPED AND EXECUTED, THEIR BABIES FED TO DOGS, REPORT SAYS
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
If the moderators want to remove them they can.
The point of the exercise is not to have the posts removed, but to test your characterization of them. You say you're being insulted, but you're not necessarily an impartial judge of that. Submitting them to someone else's judgment helps achieve a more objective view. Link to the posts you claim insult you, and I will report them for moderation so that we can have another set of eyes looking at your accusations.

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A victim must have feelings of victimization. I do not. I know the insults are baseless and wrong. And are just done to get under my skin - they do not.
They clearly do, because you talk a lot about how much your skeptical critics are inappropriately persecuting you. If you feel the need to mention it so frequently, then it clearly is an ongoing concern for you. If you were really as indifferent to it as you seem to want people to believe, we would expect to see more indifference instead of a stream of comments assuring us how indifferent you are.

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I am a fighter...
An image that's so much easier to create if you can portray yourself as a plucky victim.

In evaluating your claims and arguments, we have to consider the broader scope of why you return to a skeptics' forum time and again making claims of the supernatural without the kind of evidence you should expect skeptics to appreciate. It obviously is not to participate in the skeptical process, so we have to consider that it fits into some agenda you're bringing with you.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Propaganda intended to make the coming US attack seem "moral".
To whom? Outside the U.S., Fox News is considered tabloid journalism, if it is considered at all. If the morality of a nuclear first strike is to be judged on the world stage, Fox News is not a credible witness.
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Prove your claim.

Do you know how to do yes or no answers to questions?

If so, ask the questions I asked, and tell us your results.

Or are you one of the many many fraudsters and con artists?
I have done thousands of readings starting back in 1975.

The symbols of the tarot are not exactly amenable to yes and no questions, if I was desirous of a yes/no answer I would certainly use a different means of divination.

Most experienced practitioners have to develop a relationship with the oracle, because they tend to answer the questions that the oracle wants to answer. Which may not be the question posed by the querent or a practitioner.

But it you track your questions, answers and outcomes and it works for you that is fine.

I do not charge money and only have done readings for others at their request. Something about an oath to 'not use the mystic arts to impress foolish people'.
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Those calling me a liar and a troll. If the moderators want to remove them they can. A couple already have been removed, together with my response.
Moderators only act upon reported posts...
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Your ignorance is showing because I assume you are interpreting the card in a negative way. That said, you may have just picked the correct card.
Wherein we see for the nth time that irony often flies right over the heads of those it's meant for.
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I have done thousands of readings starting back in 1975.

The symbols of the tarot are not exactly amenable to yes and no questions, if I was desirous of a yes/no answer I would certainly use a different means of divination.

Most experienced practitioners have to develop a relationship with the oracle, because they tend to answer the questions that the oracle wants to answer. Which may not be the question posed by the querent or a practitioner.

But it you track your questions, answers and outcomes and it works for you that is fine.

I do not charge money and only have done readings for others at their request. Something about an oath to 'not use the mystic arts to impress foolish people'.

Strange. It seems we are basically in agreement on the use of Tarot!

I started in about 1970 but have only done about 30 readings for others, and about 30 for myself. I have never charged money either, and also only done readings on request. Except for a few I have posted on this forum. Nothing would impress most posters on this forum, and I do it for my own edification.

So who do you think is the "oracle"? Ultimately, if the supernatural exists, it must be God or his agents, or Satan and his agents. Or do you think, like the animists, that the spirits of the ancestors are involved?

The professionals I have been to who do it for money use the Tarot in ways that are not published in any book. They work out a system that works for them - as you point out. The three aces spread is published, and is given as a means of getting a yes or no answer.

With regard to a clairvoyant charging money, the whole basis is not to overcharge. An uncle used to have companies and people ask him to locate water and minerals. He lived comfortably but told me that if he began to up his fees too much he could feel that he was not getting "answers". I was a teenager at the time, so I learned the lesson early.

The family tried testing him and he failed. Another lesson I learned early - no testing.
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Moderators only act upon reported posts...

And the posters here know I could not be bothered. Like being called a "poopy-head" by a toddler - the insult is meaningless.
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To whom? Outside the U.S., Fox News is considered tabloid journalism, if it is considered at all. If the morality of a nuclear first strike is to be judged on the world stage, Fox News is not a credible witness.
It is for domestic consumption.

I lived in the US in the time war was being considered in the Iraq. Being used to government propaganda I could easily recognize it. In the US, it is so powerful because it is not run by a central agency - it seems that news outlets "steer" the conversation. A herd mentality - with a little background pushing.
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With regard to a clairvoyant charging money, the whole basis is not to overcharge. An uncle used to have companies and people ask him to locate water and minerals. He lived comfortably but told me that if he began to up his fees too much he could feel that he was not getting "answers". I was a teenager at the time, so I learned the lesson early.

The family tried testing him and he failed. Another lesson I learned early - no testing.
Did it occur to you even for a second that this might conceivably be the wrong lesson to learn?
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I know you followed the DowserDon thread, PartSkeptic, because you contributed to it. Did you really learn nothing from the self inflicted public humiliation of that nice old man? Or did you astonishingly conclude that the only mistake he made was to try to test something he "knew" to be true, despite having zero objective evidence for it?
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