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Old 2nd November 2012, 12:32 AM   #1081
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Nostradamus mentions Princess Dianas' age of death.
No he doesn't. He knew nothing whatever about a minor royal who wouldn't be born until centuries after his death.

The mere fact that someone can interpret something he wrote as referring to the death of this particular minor royal (only after it occurred, of course) tells you that his writings can be interpreted as referring to anything that has ever happened, and are therefore utterly worthless as predictions.

Now if you'd used his writings to predict Diana's death before it happened then that would be a little more impressive. But you couldn't have, because that kind of meaning can only be ascribed once you know what you need to twist his words into meaning.

So go on then: use Nostradamus' writings to predict something before it happens. The date of Queen Elizabeth II's death will do fine.
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Old 2nd November 2012, 01:12 AM   #1082
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Ive been reading some of the preface, although there are many different prefaces.
why might that be? Perhaps it is because there are many different translations and interpretations of Nostros' ramblings? Or do you think Nostro himself wrote the prefaces to all the translations of his work?
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Old 2nd November 2012, 02:53 AM   #1083
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Interpreting is not your cup of tea.
And why do you say that?
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Old 2nd November 2012, 06:58 PM   #1084
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Ive been reading some of the preface, although there are many different prefaces. Although He mentions Plutarch, Who happened to go and decipher Oracle of Delphi.

Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutarch


Nostradamus mentions Princess Dianas' age of death. And so. Ive been searching for any clues to when Elizabeth shall sadly pass. After her death, there will be much confusion especially in the political foundation.
So it is said in that time there will be a change in how war is conducted as well.

The whole epistle to King Henry II I feel is written for Elizebeth II. And so if he had given way to princess dianas death. Certainly somewhere.. Which I believe Century X is our present time. Then Queens death is just as piviotol in the changing political role.
Being as the Queen is of rather advanced years predicting her death isn't exactly much of a feat.

Where does Nostradamus mention Diana's name or any other identifying information?
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Old 2nd November 2012, 07:38 PM   #1085
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
He is said to have cured over 100 people from the plague. And Im sure that would have been a pretty difficult thing to achieve.


Truly mystical stuff.


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Nostradamus would prescribe fresh air and water for the afflicted, a low-fat diet, new bedding, and often administered an herbal remedy made from rosehips, later discovered to be rich in vitamin C; entire towns recovered. Nostradamus's herbal remedies were common to the era, but his beliefs about infection control could have resulted in charges of heresy and death.



Instead of taking past events and making them fit his writings, please tell us of some upcoming events.

Please.
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Old 3rd November 2012, 07:56 PM   #1086
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
No he doesn't. He knew nothing whatever about a minor royal who wouldn't be born until centuries after his death.

The mere fact that someone can interpret something he wrote as referring to the death of this particular minor royal (only after it occurred, of course) tells you that his writings can be interpreted as referring to anything that has ever happened, and are therefore utterly worthless as predictions.

Now if you'd used his writings to predict Diana's death before it happened then that would be a little more impressive. But you couldn't have, because that kind of meaning can only be ascribed once you know what you need to twist his words into meaning.

So go on then: use Nostradamus' writings to predict something before it happens. The date of Queen Elizabeth II's death will do fine.
Seeing as Royalty subjects have vanished over the past.. 500 years. How can you say Queen Elizebeth is Minor? Her Role if pivotal. So was Diana.

So.. That said.

A particular time maybe difficult. But I have been looking into it. But none the less I feel her 98th year she will pass. To Understand the prophecy, you have to look at Diana's prophecies.. perhaps.
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Old 3rd November 2012, 08:01 PM   #1087
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Seeing as Royalty subjects have vanished over the past.. 500 years.
Try making sense.

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How can you say Queen Elizebeth is Minor? Her Role if pivotal.
No, it isn't.

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So was Diana.
No, she wasn't.

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A particular time maybe difficult. But I have been looking into it. But none the less I feel her 98th year she will pass. To Understand the prophecy, you have to look at Diana's prophecies.. perhaps.
Diana didn't make prophecies.

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Originally Posted by Elypsis44 View Post
Truly mystical stuff.







Instead of taking past events and making them fit his writings, please tell us of some upcoming events.

Please.
Thats tough. I was only able to do that once. And I wasnt that accurate, but I knew Something was going down, (Devastatingly) And it happened within that time frame.


The Link you provided. The first paragraph. The reason why you filled a Brass Bowl. (From What I have been Told). Is becuase If you Lite a flame, And placed it in align with.. The moon reflecting off the water. with the light and the moon off the water is to reflect intresting... Sighting. Although I could be wrong but thats what I have been told.
s said to have remained awake nights for several years, meditating over a brass bowl filled with water.

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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
How can you say Queen Elizebeth is Minor? Her Role if pivotal.
Apart from waving at people while driving past in an open limo, opening fetes and preventing Charles from taking the Throne by persisting in staying alive, how is her roll "pivotal" to anything?

Name any important actions that the Queen has taken a political context and how it has affected the real world since she ascended the Throne in 1953.

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So was Diana.
Diana had one "pivotal" role - to pump out an heir and a spare, which she did. Then she was divorced and got a whole lot of publicity from the Women's magazines and the tabloids. Explain how "pivotal" anything after William and Harry were born was. Her death meant nothing in realpolitik.

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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
How can you say Queen Elizebeth is Minor?
I didn't say Queen Elizabeth II was minor, I said Diana was minor. Read more carefully. Diana wasn't even born royal, she married one.

That said, all modern royals are minor compared to the ones that were around when Nostradamus was making up his deliberately vague verse. I doubt he would have considered any modern royal worth a prophecy, even if he had been truly capable of them.

There have been dozens of far more important royals than Diana (and indeed Queen Elizabeth) in the centuries since he died, how many prophecies did he make about them? Why pick these two?

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But none the less I feel her 98th year she will pass.
OK, we'll have to wait and see if you're right. Not that it would mean much either way.
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post


Diana had one "pivotal" role - to pump out an heir and a spare, which she did. Then she was divorced and got a whole lot of publicity from the Women's magazines and the tabloids. Explain how "pivotal" anything after William and Harry were born was. Her death meant nothing in realpolitik.
And, even if she hadn't fulfilled this role, the royal family would still have carried on regardless (as I believe you are acknowledging by the use of the quotes; just pointing it out for our Canadian friend, who you think might have some idea about his royal family).
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Nostradamus mentions Princess Dianas' age of death.

No, he didn't. He said that someone would die at the age of 36, but none of the rest of the "prophecy" fits Diana. None of it. This was pointed out on page 1 of the thread.
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Originally Posted by Elypsis44 View Post
Instead of taking past events and making them fit his writings, please tell us of some upcoming events.

Please.
Thats tough. I was only able to do that once. And I wasnt that accurate, but I knew Something was going down, (Devastatingly) And it happened within that time frame.

It didn't happen at the time you predicted it would, it didn't happen at the place you predicted, and it wasn't the event you predicted. You predicted that a stadium would collapse in August. An earthquake happened a thousand miles away in May.

Are you now claiming that your prediction was that "Something" would happen somewhere in China, sometime in 2008? If so, you were successful, but it wasn't much of a prediction. China is a big place, and things happen there all the time. To quote Sean84, "something always goes down near the Olympics"
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Seeing as Royalty subjects have vanished over the past.. 500 years. How can you say Queen Elizebeth is Minor? Her Role if pivotal. So was Diana.

So.. That said.

A particular time maybe difficult. But I have been looking into it. But none the less I feel her 98th year she will pass. To Understand the prophecy, you have to look at Diana's prophecies.. perhaps.
You know, I bet I could predict, better than random chance the deaths of most 98 year-olds. Being 98 is the leading cause of death for people who are 98.

It's a bit hard to say the Diana was pivotal. When you look at Edward the Confessor, George III, George IV, Edward III, Elizabeth I... it's hard to say Diana was pivotal when compared to other royals. What was the pivotal event in the Monarchy she oversaw?
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It didn't happen at the time you predicted it would, it didn't happen at the place you predicted, and it wasn't the event you predicted. You predicted that a stadium would collapse in August. An earthquake happened a thousand miles away in May.

Are you now claiming that your prediction was that "Something" would happen somewhere in China, sometime in 2008? If so, you were successful, but it wasn't much of a prediction. China is a big place, and things happen there all the time. To quote Sean84, "something always goes down near the Olympics"
I felt a disturbance approaching. At which time before then. I was posting such messages via. James Randi's youtube channel. To which they did ask me to phone them. Which I did, But would not speak. Only silence

It was a feeling I had, After which that specific quatrain I was concerned for a long time. IF anything.. That quatrain was the easiest... Specifically mentioning the "Millennium"

Any quatrain that pertains to the Millennium age. I felt most concerned with it particularly. To which I feel, Partially speaking. That Century X is a Millennium, chapter.

The following is a partial list of Queen Elizabeth’s Royal Prerogative Powers:
- The Queen alone, as Head of the Armed Forces, may declare war or peace
- The Queen alone may conclude treaties
- The Queen (as commander-in-chief) may choose and appoint officers of all ranks
- The Queen may convoke, adjourn, remove, and dissolve Parliament
- The Queen may appoint a Prime Minister of her own choosing
- The Queen may dismiss the Prime Minister and his Government
- The Queen can choose and appoint all judges, councillors, officers of state, etc.
- The Queen may initiate criminal proceedings, and she alone can bestow a pardon
- The Queen may refuse the Royal Assent
- The Queen may refuse to dissolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister
- The Queen can choose and appoint all Archbishops, Bishops, and ecclesiastical dignitaries
- The Queen may exercise the refusal of the “Queen’s Consent” (direct Monarchical assent is required for a bill affecting the prerogative, hereditary revenues or the personal property or interests of the Crown to be heard in Parliament).
- Since the Sovereign is “first in honour, dignity and in power--and the seat and fountain of all three,'' the Queen may bestow all public honours, including creating peerages or bestowing Orders of Chivalry

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I felt a disturbance approaching.

You made a prediction. The prediction was wrong.
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Old 5th November 2012, 12:12 PM   #1097
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
I felt a disturbance approaching. At which time before then. I was posting such messages via. James Randi's youtube channel. To which they did ask me to phone them. Which I did, But would not speak. Only silence

It was a feeling I had, After which that specific quatrain I was concerned for a long time. IF anything.. That quatrain was the easiest... Specifically mentioning the "Millennium"

Any quatrain that pertains to the Millennium age. I felt most concerned with it particularly. To which I feel, Partially speaking. That Century X is a Millennium, chapter.

The following is a partial list of Queen Elizabeth’s Royal Prerogative Powers:
- The Queen alone, as Head of the Armed Forces, may declare war or peace
- The Queen alone may conclude treaties
- The Queen (as commander-in-chief) may choose and appoint officers of all ranks
- The Queen may convoke, adjourn, remove, and dissolve Parliament
- The Queen may appoint a Prime Minister of her own choosing
- The Queen may dismiss the Prime Minister and his Government
- The Queen can choose and appoint all judges, councillors, officers of state, etc.
- The Queen may initiate criminal proceedings, and she alone can bestow a pardon
- The Queen may refuse the Royal Assent
- The Queen may refuse to dissolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister
- The Queen can choose and appoint all Archbishops, Bishops, and ecclesiastical dignitaries
- The Queen may exercise the refusal of the “Queen’s Consent” (direct Monarchical assent is required for a bill affecting the prerogative, hereditary revenues or the personal property or interests of the Crown to be heard in Parliament).
- Since the Sovereign is “first in honour, dignity and in power--and the seat and fountain of all three,'' the Queen may bestow all public honours, including creating peerages or bestowing Orders of Chivalry
Nosty still hosed it completely in predicting her death. Of course it's unlikely that Nosty would care about the life of a (now) modern English royal while living in Renascence France and in the employ of a bitter and vindictive Italian noble and widow of a French King who gave his mistress the nicer of the his two Chateau. I can just see Catherine di Medici rolling her eyes as she read the prediction that an English royal would die hundreds of years in the future. "What the hell am I paying this doofus for" I'm sure she thought.
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post

The following is a partial list of Queen Elizabeth’s Royal Prerogative Powers:
- The Queen alone, as Head of the Armed Forces, may declare war or peace
- The Queen alone may conclude treaties
- The Queen (as commander-in-chief) may choose and appoint officers of all ranks
- The Queen may convoke, adjourn, remove, and dissolve Parliament
- The Queen may appoint a Prime Minister of her own choosing
- The Queen may dismiss the Prime Minister and his Government
- The Queen can choose and appoint all judges, councillors, officers of state, etc.
- The Queen may initiate criminal proceedings, and she alone can bestow a pardon
- The Queen may refuse the Royal Assent
- The Queen may refuse to dissolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister
- The Queen can choose and appoint all Archbishops, Bishops, and ecclesiastical dignitaries
- The Queen may exercise the refusal of the “Queen’s Consent” (direct Monarchical assent is required for a bill affecting the prerogative, hereditary revenues or the personal property or interests of the Crown to be heard in Parliament).
- Since the Sovereign is “first in honour, dignity and in power--and the seat and fountain of all three,'' the Queen may bestow all public honours, including creating peerages or bestowing Orders of Chivalry
For most of these, she's technically got the power to do so, as long as she doesn't do anything foolish like try to invoke any of these powers off her own bat. It's tradition.
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I fear the present time when the queen shall pass. The world will not be the same


I also fear, In the case of Prince Harry. I believe the reason why he may have been pulled out from the Afghanistan war may have been becuase he was injured.

Or that- in the future time as he has returned there. Maybe captured, or.. wounded to death.

These are things I do fear. In part becuase he returned to afghanistan

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concerns included Harry being a high-value target (as several threats by various groups had already been made against him) and the dangers the soldiers around him would face should any attempt be made on the Prince's life or capture.

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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
I fear the present time when the queen shall pass. The world will not be the same


I also fear, In the case of Prince Harry. I believe the reason why he may have been pulled out from the Afghanistan war may have been becuase he was injured.

Or that- in the future time as he has returned there. Maybe captured, or.. wounded to death.

These are things I do fear. In part becuase he returned to afghanistan

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The party Life of a Prince with no consequences




concerns included Harry being a high-value target (as several threats by various groups had already been made against him) and the dangers the soldiers around him would face should any attempt be made on the Prince's life or capture.
But the British Royals just don't matter that much. They can always find some other member of the lucky sperm club to take the place of a dead one. The overall impact to the UK to the loss of one would be minimal.
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I also fear, In the case of Prince Harry. I believe the reason why he may have been pulled out from the Afghanistan war ...
yeah, so removed from there that he's there:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/20205993

You can't even get your facts about the current straight.
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yeah, so removed from there that he's there:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/20205993

You can't even get your facts about the current straight.
Symptomatic of the kind of sloppy and lazy thinking that leads to Nostradamus and all kinds of woo being attractive.
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I fear the present time when the queen shall pass. The world will not be the same ... concerns included Harry being a high-value target (as several threats by various groups had already been made against him) and the dangers the soldiers around him would face should any attempt be made on the Prince's life or capture.
These concerns may well be valid, but if they are they necessarily exclude senior royals from front line service. Why then are so many of them devoted to a military career? If their social status excludes them from the field of battle, then they are surely disqualified from military service, and should seek careers in academia, the arts, or similar enterprises.
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I fear the present time when the queen shall pass. The world will not be the same
As a British citizen I'm certainly not looking forward to having Charles as king, he's a twit. I'm hoping she'll outlive him, or that he'll be so old by the time he succeeds that he'll see the sense of passing the crown straight on to William, who seems a nice enough lad. But the British monarchy has so little power these days, it really won't matter much. Extra embarrassment is the worst we can expect.

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... he's a twit. I'm hoping ... he'll see the sense of passing the crown ...
you see the problem now?
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But the British Royals just don't matter that much. They can always find some other member of the lucky sperm club to take the place of a dead one. The overall impact to the UK to the loss of one would be minimal.
I think it will be more detrimental to the royal family, and the country, if the the succession goes according to plan. Next in line is a meddling fool.
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Old 6th November 2012, 06:31 AM   #1107
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I fear the present time when the queen shall pass. The world will not be the same
Oh, please do tell us how the passing of Elizabeth II will change "the world".

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I also fear, In the case of Prince Harry. I believe the reason why he may have been pulled out from the Afghanistan war may have been becuase he was injured.
He hasn't been pulled out of Afghanistan.

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Or that- in the future time as he has returned there. Maybe captured, or.. wounded to death.
He's a soldier. He signed up for it. Every soldier on active duty in Afghanistan faces the same risks. Are you saying that Harry being injured or killed is somehow more significant?

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Consequences of what? Acting like a young, single guy? He's not hurting anyone. If he wants to enjoy a hedonistic lifestyle, what difference does it make to anyone but him? Is your own life being unfairly altered because Prince Harry gets laid?

Oh, wait, I forgot. Harry's going to be "King of the Throne". That makes all the difference.
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Old 7th November 2012, 06:21 AM   #1108
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I think it will be more detrimental to the royal family, and the country, if the the succession goes according to plan. Next in line is a meddling fool.
Actually, Chuck isn't all bad...

If it wasn't for him, I might not have developed republican tendencies...

(True confession - I'm not really from Ankh-Morpork - I'm really a Brit!)

I should add that I agree with Zooterkin, too...

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Old 11th November 2012, 01:49 PM   #1109
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Harry was serving in a Cavelry Regiment in an Observation Platoon.

He was pulled out when the press reported he was there.
He has gone back recently flying an Apache.
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Old 12th November 2012, 06:21 AM   #1110
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Harry was serving in a Cavelry Regiment in an Observation Platoon.

He was pulled out when the press reported he was there.
He has gone back recently flying an Apache.
Let's hope he's better at being mother CAS than he is at keeping pictures of himself naked out of the press.
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Old 12th November 2012, 09:30 AM   #1111
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In Century X, You find many quatrains of him speaking of England. Which is located in the united kingdom. So instead of speaking about france all the time, which he most commonly dose. In century X he speaks about England a couple of times.

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Old 12th November 2012, 10:06 AM   #1112
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In Century X, You find many quatrains of him speaking of England. Which is located in the united kingdom. So instead of speaking about france all the time, which he most commonly dose. In century X he speaks about England a couple of times.
Which?
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Old 12th November 2012, 10:08 AM   #1113
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Which?
you know! the ones where he predicts diana's car crash of a divorce!
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Old 12th November 2012, 10:30 AM   #1114
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The great empire will be for England, The pempotam for more than three hundred years: Great forces pass by sea and land, The Lusitains will not be content.

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The young heir to the British realm, Whom his dying father will have recommended: The latter dead 'Lonole' will dispute with him, And from the son the realm demanded

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Old 12th November 2012, 10:50 AM   #1115
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Century X 100

The great empire will be for England, The pempotam for more than three hundred years: Great forces pass by sea and land, The Lusitains will not be content.

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The young heir to the British realm, Whom his dying father will have recommended: The latter dead 'Lonole' will dispute with him, And from the son the realm demanded
Well, I guess that answers the question, "many or a couple?".
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Pempotam is a meaningless word that old Nostra made up, just like the rest of his nonsense. And just who was old Nostra writing for? If somebody had bought the book back then they would have had to wait for hundreds of years to find out if they had got value for money. What kind of idiot would purchase a book like that?
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And just who was old Nostra writing for? If somebody had bought the book back then they would have had to wait for hundreds of years to find out if they had got value for money. What kind of idiot would purchase a book like that?
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Wasn't Maurice the Pempotam of Love? Or was that Pompatus?
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Pempotam? Nostradamus wrote like others spoke in tongues otherwise, how could you notice the connexion with the spiritual order of the arcane knowledge? An ancient tradition kept alive today by the Crazy Cat Lady and others. How glossolalic of him!
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The young heir to the British realm, Whom his dying father will have recommended: The latter dead 'Lonole' will dispute with him, And from the son the realm demanded
And this has what to do with Prince Harry?
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