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Old 7th December 2010, 09:38 AM   #841
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Thats like saying.. Insuring my father under Life insurance, and then 3 years later I shoot him in the head for the life insurance money.
Dose that makes sense to you?
Yes. It's called insurance fraud and murder when caught.
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Old 7th December 2010, 04:25 PM   #842
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
TFact

He joined the Jacobin Club and 3 years later he assumes his fathers title as Duke d’Orléans after being executed by the Jacobin's.
He assumed his father's title after he was executed? Tricky.

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Thats like saying.. Insuring my father under Life insurance, and then 3 years later I shoot him in the head for the life insurance money.
Dose that makes sense to you?
Yeah. It's called insurance fraud and homicide.

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Any normal person who actually loved there father, would stop any murder against there own father.
It's not "there". It's "their". Don't you think it would be helpful to learn basic English grammar before attempting to decipher quatrains that have been translated from French to English? Just sayin'...

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You belong to a political party, and this political party.. kills your own father?
The whole party? That's massassasination.

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It is damn right Cold hearten and Ruthless.
As opposed to warm hearted and lenient homicide?

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Or perhaps the 14 who belonged to the party wanted Louise to rise becuase he beleived in the Radical left wing.
Who is Louise and what has she got to do with this?

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And to kill his father would have made him closer to being king of France..
Assuming that you are speaking of the son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, Louis was the only son. To kill his father would have made him King of France, not brought him closer to being King of France, but since the monarchy had already been toppled, that is irrelevant. In any case, he was a mere child when his father was executed, and it is fairly established that he died at the age of ten. It is ridiculous to say that he believed in the radical left wing or any other political faction.
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Old 7th December 2010, 05:26 PM   #843
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
Went over to Wikipedia and saw there already was an entry for Henri Rousseau, the painter.(link)

My router must be intercepting commands because I was not connecting to the Internet.

There are 14 footnotes for the article.

Because he was painter, he sold paintings. Selling paintings is a enterprise.

Also, why are you using an English thesaurus when Nosetro wrote in French?
In most cases. Nostradamus work is primarily tied in with politics. Rousseau would change politics completely and even to this date his work is still used in modern politics yet influenced. It changes all perception of modern society
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Old 7th December 2010, 11:34 PM   #844
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Rwalsh, Are you going to try and address the problem of the multitude of interpretations possible with Nostradamus' quatrains?

My prediction is that for as long as you continue to post in this thread the problem will be raised by various people, but you will continue to ignore/fail to understand it.
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Old 8th December 2010, 12:45 AM   #845
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Rwalsh, Are you going to try and address the problem of the multitude of interpretations possible with Nostradamus' quatrains?
Of course he is not.

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My prediction is that for as long as you continue to post in this thread the problem will be raised by various people, but you will continue to ignore/fail to understand it.
That's a postdiction, not a prediction. 22 pages of evidence on this thread alone show that.

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Old 8th December 2010, 12:56 AM   #846
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
Of course he is not.



That's a postdiction, not a prediction. 22 pages of evidence on this thread alone show that.

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That's perfectly valid inductive reasoning and I am as confident as Bertrand Russell's chicken on the matter.
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Old 8th December 2010, 06:01 AM   #847
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Rousseau would change politics completely and even to this date his work is still used in modern politics yet influenced.
You're channelling Nostradamus right now, aren't you?
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Old 8th December 2010, 06:03 AM   #848
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
That's perfectly valid inductive reasoning and I am as confident as Bertrand Russell's chicken on the matter.
Mmmmm...Bertrand Russell's chicken...

It's his secret spices that make it so good.
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Old 8th December 2010, 08:24 AM   #849
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
Mmmmm...Bertrand Russell's chicken...

It's his secret spices that make it so good.
No, I think it's the way it's cooked.

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Old 8th December 2010, 05:05 PM   #850
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Rwalsh, Are you going to try and address the problem of the multitude of interpretations possible with Nostradamus' quatrains?

My prediction is that for as long as you continue to post in this thread the problem will be raised by various people, but you will continue to ignore/fail to understand it.
Let them, Until I am proven Valid-
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Old 8th December 2010, 11:27 PM   #851
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Originally Posted by Rwalsh View Post
Let them, Until I am proven Valid-
Do you understand the fatal problem that this question presents to your view that Nostradamus predicted events through his quatrains?
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Old 8th December 2010, 11:33 PM   #852
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Do we really need to analyze a bunch of random prose to know that mystical prophesy is bunk? If somebody said the Pentagon was developing a simulation of the entire world and everyone in it so they could predict what people will do in the future, that I might buy, but this baloney of staring into a pot, come on, I think we all know what kind of pot he was staring it. That's assuming this person really even existed, for all any of us know he was just a literary invention, like Jesus or Osiris.
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Old 9th December 2010, 09:19 PM   #853
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Name any incident where any writing of Nostradamus was used to predict an event before it actually happened.

Oh, right you can't

If the prophecy only becomes apparent after the event it is a bit of a failure as a prophecy really
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Old 9th December 2010, 09:28 PM   #854
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Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
If the prophecy only becomes apparent after the event it is a bit of a failure as a prophecy really
Equally, when the same prophesy can be used to postdict multiple events, it is a bit of a failure as prophesy.

Any of Nosti's predictions can be shown to postdict anything, a point that flies right over the head of Rwalsh despite all the evidence in this thread to the contrary.

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Old 10th December 2010, 12:57 AM   #855
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
Any of Nosti's predictions can be shown to postdict anything, a point that flies right over the head of Rwalsh despite all the evidence in this thread to the contrary.
Yeah, isn't it remarkable that we /always/ live in an age where Nostro's predictions have just come true?

Rwalsh, which of Nostro's predictions have not yet come true? Can you specify one?
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Old 10th December 2010, 01:26 AM   #856
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Well, we have the resident expert on Board, so let us, as julie Andrews famously espoused start at the very beginning... a very good place to start... Here is Quatrain 1:1

Sitting alone at night in secret study;
it is placed on the brass tripod.
A slight flame comes out of the emptiness and
makes successful that which should not be believed in vain.

Estant assis de nuict secret estude
Seul reposé sur la selle d'œrain;
Flambe exigue sortant de solitude
Fait prosperer qui n'est à croire vain.

What does this mean, and what does it postdict? Rwalsh? Anyone?

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Old 10th December 2010, 02:39 AM   #857
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Isn't it obvious? It's predicting the discovery of the Higgs boson...

Sitting alone at night in secret study;
The LHC is hidden away underground - 'at night' being poetic for in the dark.
it is placed on the brass tripod.
Well, you wouldn't expect old Nozzer to know about toroidal doohickeys, would you?
A slight flame comes out of the emptiness and
The protons smash together, generating energy and stuff
makes successful that which should not be believed in vain.
and there is the Higgs!

Simples!
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Old 10th December 2010, 02:41 AM   #858
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
Well, we have the resident expert on Board, so let us, as julie Andrews famously espoused start at the very beginning... a very good place to start... Here is Quatrain 1:1

Sitting alone at night in secret study;
it is placed on the brass tripod.
A slight flame comes out of the emptiness and
makes successful that which should not be believed in vain.

Estant assis de nuict secret estude
Seul reposé sur la selle d'œrain;
Flambe exigue sortant de solitude
Fait prosperer qui n'est à croire vain.

What does this mean, and what does it postdict? Rwalsh? Anyone?

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Geez, Norm - you could have at least chosen a harder one. It's about the Large Hadron Collider.
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Now *that's* spooky - two posters come up with the same idea as to the meaning.
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Now *that's* spooky - two posters come up with the same idea as to the meaning.
So it MUST be true!!!!!
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Old 10th December 2010, 09:39 AM   #861
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Let them, Until I am proven Valid-
And so far you aren't.
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Old 10th December 2010, 03:22 PM   #862
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Someone tell me that Rwalsh is doing some kind of wierd Andy Kauffman style performance art here.

Please.
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Old 10th December 2010, 11:16 PM   #863
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Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
Name any incident where any writing of Nostradamus was used to predict an event before it actually happened.

Oh, right you can't

If the prophecy only becomes apparent after the event it is a bit of a failure as a prophecy really
In which case we fail ourselves to learn great wisdom under prophecy
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Old 10th December 2010, 11:28 PM   #864
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Nostradamus can be interpreted in such a way that he 'predicted' whatever the reader wants to read into it.
He was the ultimate astrology writer, vague and generalistic so that his prophecies can fit whatever one wants to see.
You haven't dealt this criticism in post No. 4 the first page on the thread, or the subsequent times it has been raised. Do you understand the problem it raises?
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Old 10th December 2010, 11:56 PM   #865
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Now *that's* spooky - two posters come up with the same idea as to the meaning.
While I was totally cut off from any internet contact with the world for three weeks, ending, at last, last Monday, I was listening to 'Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett, which a good friend had copied onto a CD for me.
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According to the Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter - the world's only totally reliable guide to the future - the world will end on Saturday. Next Saturday, in fact. Just after tea...
It reminded me of this thread!

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In which case we fail ourselves to learn great wisdom under prophecy
Wow! Talk about drawing a conclusion out of nothing! What exactly is this wisdom that a hypothetical somebody may fail to learn?

BTW, here's some stuff to help you:
1. Wisdom is the combination of knowledge and experience
2. Knowledge is information in context that allows you to make better decisions in the future based upon past outcomes in similar contexts
3. Information is data in context that gives it meaning or relevance
4. Data is discrete facts, numbers.

Ergo, this is not wisdom in prophecy at it lacks context at all levels and the source data stands in isolation.
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Old 11th December 2010, 04:16 AM   #867
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What's the difference between attempts to find meaning in a Nostradamus quatrain and attempts to find meaning in one of these?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...pictureid=4097
Aaaargh, Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath!!!!
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Someone tell me that Rwalsh is doing some kind of wierd Andy Kauffman style performance art here.

Please.
Rwalsh is doing some kind of wierd Andy Kauffman style performance art here.

One of my favorite wonderfully odd things about this forum is how indistinguishable woo is from parody, trolling or (if you will) performance art.
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Century 1 Quatrain 47

The speeches of Lake Leman will become angered,
the days will drag out into weeks,
then months, then years, then all will fail.
The authorities will condemn their useless powers.

Lac Léman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Leman

some timeline information

http://www.google.ca/#q=lake+leman&h...f278915a9b6816

Lake Leman otherwise known as Lake Geneva - Largest Lake in Eastern Europe

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Century 1 Quatrain 46

Very near Auch, Lectoure and Mirande
a great fire will fall from the sky for three nights.
The cause will appear both stupefying and marvellous;
shortly afterwards there will be an earthquake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectoure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirande

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Century 1 Quatrain 24

At the New City he is thoughtfil to condemn;
the bird of prey offers himself to the gods.
After victory he pardons his captives.
At Cremona and Mantua great hardships will be suffered.

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And? Most of us are aware of these places and where they are, particularly those of us in Europe.

Lac Léman/Lake Geneva is in Western Europe, by the way, not Eastern Europe.

Can you point to events that were predicted by these quatrains, occurring after they were written?

For example, can you show us that there has been an event in Gers (after the quatrain was written) where fire rained from the sky, followed by an earthquake?
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And? Most of us are aware of these places and where they are, particularly those of us in Europe.

Lac Léman/Lake Geneva is in Western Europe, by the way, not Eastern Europe.

Can you point to events that were predicted by these quatrains, occurring after they were written?

For example, can you show us that there has been an event in Gers (after the quatrain was written) where fire rained from the sky, followed by an earthquake?
Ive only deciphered perhaps 10 of the Hundreds of quatrains still left.. In theory the practice of learning prophetic from the Great Prophecy takes a great deal of study. If at all to reveal any futuristic matters or just to simply display historical matters which prove future sightings by nostradame. But it takes a great deal to understand these things. If at all the works reveal anything for our time. Yet, I am staying strongly away from those at the moment, and focusing more at the beginning. in Century 1

The listed geological maps which I put together myself, is the locations in which one must learn and study yet understand all within the perimeters of prophetic communication.

Fire rained from the sky followed by an earthquake could mean several different things. But to me, it sounds nothing on a positive note.

Its best to understand the locations first mentioned. And not all quatrains will have locations written, but I focus on the quatrains that are descriptive, for it provides actual facts and for understanding, rather than misinterpretation.

Again, YES! Still fluently speaking of the matters of France, But it will not always be on discussion and location of France, Ive found some locations to be elsewhere as well...

"But even for the Oracle of Delphi, the predictions were made around her established area. Seems to me that the, prophets then were not that far sighted to see matters of global aspects. But surrounding aspects. But I could be very wrong"

Yet- all these things needs recording'

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I really don't know what you are trying to say, Rwalsh.

Take Century 1 Quatrain 46 - it mentions three real places in Gers. Now what? If you visit those places you'll just find normal French communes. There is nothing magical about the places or their inhabitants, who are just getting on with their lives same as everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Ririon View Post
Rwalsh is doing some kind of wierd Andy Kauffman style performance art here.

One of my favorite wonderfully odd things about this forum is how indistinguishable woo is from parody, trolling or (if you will) performance art.

Here's a thought to keep you up at night:

What if all (or at least the overwhelming majority) of the people labeled as "trolls" (or performance artists) on the internet aren't "pretending" and really are as stupid and/or crazy as they seem?
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Rwalsh: Serious question for you: Allow yourself to briefly assume that Nostradamus did not predict the future in his writings. How would that lack of prognostic ability have manifested itself in his quatrains to such a degree to where you would be unconvinced of his abilities? Assuming he was either just making stuff up as he went along or that he sincerely believed that he was predicting the future, but was just wrong, is it even possible to write the kinds of things he wrote without somebody somewhere at some time interpreting (or mangling) his words to "postdict" some event?
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Its best to understand the locations first mentioned.
How do you "understand" a location? And what would you "understand" about it? The geology? The flora and fauna? The climate? The reason for the traditional native wear?
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Old 11th December 2010, 09:57 PM   #878
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The speeches of Lake Leman will become angered,
the days will drag out into weeks,
then months, then years, then all will fail.
The authorities will condemn their useless powers.
Sounds like a reference to the Protestant Reformation and John Calvin, who preached in Geneva for many years to the great dissatisfaction of the French Catholic establishment. But as Calvin was a contemporary of Nostradamus, I wouldn't count this as a prophecy.

ETA: Since Nostradamus supposedly predicted the death of the queen, Diana, and the heir, what did he have to say about this week's demonstrations in London, where the heir got himself caught in the middle of a riot?

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Old 12th December 2010, 11:33 AM   #879
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Rwalsh: Serious question for you: Allow yourself to briefly assume that Nostradamus did not predict the future in his writings. How would that lack of prognostic ability have manifested itself in his quatrains to such a degree to where you would be unconvinced of his abilities? Assuming he was either just making stuff up as he went along or that he sincerely believed that he was predicting the future, but was just wrong, is it even possible to write the kinds of things he wrote without somebody somewhere at some time interpreting (or mangling) his words to "postdict" some event?
it still intrigues me to continue whatever this maybe. I dont know what this all means. But if it is to learn something prophetic speech, I Love prophetic speech.
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Old 12th December 2010, 11:48 AM   #880
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Sounds like a reference to the Protestant Reformation and John Calvin, who preached in Geneva for many years to the great dissatisfaction of the French Catholic establishment. But as Calvin was a contemporary of Nostradamus, I wouldn't count this as a prophecy.

ETA: Since Nostradamus supposedly predicted the death of the queen, Diana, and the heir, what did he have to say about this week's demonstrations in London, where the heir got himself caught in the middle of a riot?
He would have nothing to say about such small and minor events, no matter how large it may seem to you.

But what I can tell you with certainty... That his ruling and his son. Will not be in favor of the common people. And for the people, would not be too satisfied without a female monarch when she is gone.

The Epistle to Henry II.

I feel that the Epistle itself is written for... Epistle to Queen Elizabeth II

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