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22nd October 2012, 01:47 PM | #1001 |
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Unless you committed the Act yourself. Like nostradamus stealing treasure. Well not stealing, But to preserve them. Becuase later the Cannons of Orange was destroyed. I truly believe it was a joint act between the Cannons of the Church and nostradamus. There ties. along with this map.
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They had CANNONS? So much for "turn the other cheek."
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be there anyone in your city familiar with the astronomical doctrine extending to the judicial, by the figure let him judge if he understands not that my saying contains the truth.
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That doesn't say anything about cannons.
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When I tried to decipher the code in the map
Though. I doubt hardly accurate. But From 2 of the triangles I calculated that the treasure maybe in St. Helena. Both triangles were calculated to the point St. Helena. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena The bottom right triangles of the map. And both were fairly close to proximate St. Helena. Why I dont know. |
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I know one day I shall discovery these mystery. Becuase in life. I need to know these things before I die.
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Where are you getting the idea from that this is a map? Because the obvious thing for a couple of thieving priests to do with their booty is take it to an uninhabited island thousands of kilometres away in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean. Or is it because using a horoscope as a map is as likely to reveal that the treasure is buried on Mars as anywhere else? It's a conundrum alright. |
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As mentioned earlier in this thread, I am also driven by the desire to learn about this world I find myself in. However it seems to me that you have not given enough importance to understanding the numerous ways in which we human beings can be deceived and even deceive ourselves. Nor have you paid sufficient attention to the subject of how we can discern truth or even if attaining such a thing is possible. This is important for me as I only wish to pursue our best human understandings and not waste my time with nonsense because life is too short. Clearly there have been a lot of nonsensical ideas through human history and much exists today.
Further you have invested too much time on the ideas of one man and one who perhaps contributed nothing. If a best approximation of truth is what you want, start reading the best works of philosophy and science. Start with broad commentaries and histories before starting to examine individual works. The world really is your oyster. We are fortunate to live at a time where individuals have unrivaled access to the sum total of knowledge. Get surfing online but learn to discriminate and sort the wheat from the chaff. |
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I say we'd better let the stray man spouting alone in the dark alley. What else we may do when every call to reason is answered by "doubling the bet"? Besides, I think we were here to fight the "mental drugs" dealers, not the human wrecks that are left by abusing them, whose steps nobody eagerly follows. The caring tutelage of these people is beyond these fora, and the necessary forbearance beyond these fora's capacities.
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24th October 2012, 04:58 PM | #1015 |
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Now steady on - you're talking of a man who made a major contribution to cherry jam
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And me thinking Nostri specialized in salads.
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24th October 2012, 06:46 PM | #1017 |
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First off goto this website.
http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html Look at the triangle of the map. the bottom right side. 1 up where you see the numbers 18,4,3 Now on this website. On the Latitude. I put +18, 4, 3. And it will pin point itself in the ocean. Zoom in and you will see it is near. St. Helena I was only working with the numbers visible. After I did that.. the bottom trianble I put in the only visible numbers there. +17, 9, 17. And again.. This location appeared.. north a bit. http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html I was just testing it.. So you may come to the conclusion that both are not exactly on St Helena. And I suppose St. Helena At the time was a colony of soldiers and war ships and what not. So from the note that was attached with the map I question why he written something like this.. "Booty to be divided among canons who are at present like soldiers" Booty to be divided among Canons. Dose he mean that the church sermons sent the treasures there? Who are present like soldiers or with soldiers.. Back in those days it was common to send priests with soldiers on there ships. and even today they send sermons to help moral of soldiers.. So its a possibility 3,3,4 would have taken them in parellel but further north near golf of guinia presumably the ships may have stopped there. from france. The Island is sparcely populated. Perhaps the treasure is located there. Along with more nostradamus books. That are hidden. of course. Even in the note of nostradamus associated with the map there are hints... most of what he talks about in that message in accordance with the map is priests "Priests are like comrades of propitious gods." propitious; advantageous, auspicious, beneficial, benign, brave, bright, dexter, encouraging, favoring, fortunate, happy, hopeful, lucky, opportune, pat, promising, prosperous, rosy, seasonable, timely, toward, useful, well-timed And to be honest. I had a feeling it may have come to this.. Seeing as it such a small island, you could double exploration understanding. Or even so find the priests in time, or associated with cannons of orange and investigate if any of them went south on any religious expiditions. But then again that was 500 years ago. Although. Im sure there are still rembrance of some churchs there, and alot of history of the area. But again. I could be wrong. As the symbols are also Numbers as well, and to find specificially I need a Actual astrolabe to understand further the calculations. But. Still the numbers visible.. I like them. It was fairly understandable, and nothing is really legend. Other than the triangle. But information like this can fall inline upwards, downwards side to side it dosnt matter. But in order of course. There must be somewhat of a Order establish for anyone who may come to try to understand them. IF it was simply no order there would be no way to understand. To me. I want to start out with anything this mistifying by first pointing out the obvious. Do I feel certain at the moment about the map. Perhaps. In time as I begin to understand it. I may, wish one day to venture forth. Dispute ridiculous ridicule. And perhaps, just maybe. Find somthing of great worth. And the. Oath of Nostradamus kept up. I feel that the Real books are out there Hiding. Why would you cast such great works to the flames? I do enjoy Nostradamus. Very Strong Minded. (Subconsciously) |
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“If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.” - David Hume
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Instead of supposing, you could look it up. It took me a couple of minutes to find that St. Helena was only discovered the year before Nostradamus was born, and there was no permanent settlement there in his lifetimeWP.
"The Portuguese found the island uninhabited, with an abundance of trees and fresh water. They imported livestock, fruit trees and vegetables, and built a chapel and one or two houses. Though they formed no permanent settlement, the island was an important rendezvous point and source of food for ships travelling from Asia to Europe." |
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Future? Past? What matters! He even coded longitudes using an arbitrary meridian as reference, what would be invented more than two centuries later. All of that to point to a place half way Santa Helena and Brazil that "hides a secret" , a riddle wrapped in mystery inside an enigma, all hidden in a run-of-the-mill jack-in-the-box for the delight of child-like-spirits.
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No, I've in fact come to the conclusion that latitudes +18° 4' 3" and +17° 9' 17" are somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere. Your own picture (below) shows that you've input negative numbers for the latitude and I assume that the only reason you ended up with a point anywhere near St Helena (inasmuch as 600 km could be said to be 'near') is that you left the longitude field blank and the applet has used the Greenwich Meridian (0° 0' 0") as the default. No. As I've already mentioned, it was uninhabited at that time. No, it's desperately grasping at straws to come up with a story that only sounds plausible to you because of a limited understanding of actual history. Spain, actually, but you're still completely ignoring the fact that a line of latitude goes all the way around the Earth and latitude 3° 3' 4" (either + or -) could just as easily be in Borneo as in the Atlantic Ocean. Have you bothered to establish that there is any treasure? What exactly is it that you believe was stolen? I'm still waiting to see your explanation of why this triangly thing should even be considered to be a map at all. You aren't even looking in the right hemisphere, so it's pretty doubtful that you're going to discover much. I think this is where the smart money is. You do know that an astrolabe is for finding stuff in the sky, don't you? To keep warm? At least that would render them marginally useful. I like cake. |
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It appears to be a piece of utter desolation in Northern Chad, about a hundred miles from the nearest road.
As I zoomed out from the Google Earth image, I genuinely wondered if I was looking at Google Mars by mistake. Anyway, that's where the treasure is. Race you to it. |
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The island was uninhabited till 1502.
Here is another thing... The most prominent, navigation on the map. Is of course the arrow. The signficance of this arrow. in correlation with how you properly read things. if you turned the map slightly where the arrow is pointing.. south. Then. you will see the numbers facing horizontal. But yes. Turn the image slightly Right. So the numbers you see them horizontally. The other hints are withing the symbols themselves. They give numbers. I havnt figured that out yet. And they could also entail and further map explination I think becuase of the geographical location. and The dense population and size of the island. Would make it. A perfect place for such a expedition. It is one of the most isolated islands in the world. Its curious why he didnt write the bottom right corner horizontal with the others. Perhaps its a sub-map. This of course. This diagram was said to be given to the priests of the Cannons of orange to retrieve there stolen belongings. Or perhaps the dotted locations in the sea near st helena are actual sub islands. But ideally. St.Helena seems very.. .. Interesting place to tourist. Nostradamus had people come all over, from far to come see him. \\he foresaw very. many pleasant things for people. Made other people very prosperous even. Im almost willing to bet my money.. I go there and find it for myself. And then when I do find it. I can take James Randi Million. Once I recover Nostradamus artifacts, and such. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_...lls_of_Imerina
Twelve sacred hills of Imerina This be a fair place to be burying of treasure. sure. |
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It was undiscovered until 1502. It wasn't permanently occupied until 1658. What map? You certainly seem to have cracked the entire secret of navigation there. I would have thought there might be more to it than that. They appear to be symbols representing planets and/or constellations. Just the sort of thing one might expect to find on a horoscope (which it is) and not on a map (which it isn't). Go figure. The what? In any case, I think you'll find that missions of discovery are made on the basis of the likelihood of discovering something, not because someone thinks it's a cool place to have an expedition. Why not look for the treasure on Ibiza? It looks much nicer there. Perhaps it's not a map at all. What stolen belongings? They are. They're submarine islands. Great place to hide treasure, less great if you have plans to ever find it again. So bloody what? You're completely ignoring that the only reasons that you came up with a location even remotely near St Helena are that you entered some random numbers off a diagram of which you have zero understanding into an application that was only ever going to point to locations along the Greenwich Meridian, swapped hemispheres because you didn't like the look of the North African desert and then fudged several hundred kilometres for no apparent reason other than there happened to be an island there that you think is "interesting". So did Don Vito Corleone. I think you should set off immediately. Don't forget that you'll be needing to rebuild Jules Dumont d'Urville's ship first, since it was scrapped in 1851. |
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What? I thought this fairytale of yours involved Nossie telling some church officials where some thieving priests had hidden their ill-gotten gains. You now seem to be saying that he informed them that the hiding place wasn't where he thought the loot actually was, but some other place that he simply liked the look of? The result you have already achieved couldn't possibly have been more random or unlikely. I'd suggest that using a blindfold, a pin and a map of Europe would give you better results. |
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Heh, great minds. Mars was the first thing I thought of as well, and I went straight back to the previous page to see if there was a box marked 'Earth' that I'd forgotten to tick. It was only after zooming right out and noticing that England, Chad and almost-St Helena were on the same meridian that I realised what our master navigator had done. As for the race, I think I'll stick with Plan B and look for it on Ibiza. Send me a postcard from Chad if you find anything. |
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Hmm . . .
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What I will do is look at all possible out comes of the displayed symbols. Im very interested in this layout. He was a percise person no doubt. He made miners rich. When they didnt know how to strick for gold. they come to nostradamus asking for council. and he specifically said to look in the older mine shaft and you will strike it rich. And said that those miners when they come out from the mine after all the amounts of gold. Thought when they left the mine something "Spooky" looming over them
They all thought they were seeing ghosts' In this Specific case pertaining to this map diagram... Clearly the priests never did recovery there monastery treasure. We all know nostradamus is a pretty good priest orthodox. I believe it was a group effort. I believe Nostradamus was a member of the Connons of Orange Church to which this map was create for. No doubt in my mind this is something worth investigating. To unveil some certain hidden glimpse of the future. I myself learned long time ago i can Forsee events myself. Maybe some people dont have that kind of vision but it definently takes a imaginative one to do so... |
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You can tell in his writings he had alot of faith in god. and speaks about him frequently. He thinks god is celestial. so alot of his works are also based off of the bible. He was pretty much well versed in that. He had strong ties with the church. Especially at that time when Astrology was fundamental in society and tied itself into alot of things, especially in the medical field which he strongly pursued.
He is said to have cured over 100 people from the plague. And Im sure that would have been a pretty difficult thing to achieve. Especially his own wife and children died from it. I think for the most part he struggled in his earlier years. |
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