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Old 9th February 2018, 05:10 PM   #1
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Oklahoma City Bombing: Were Papers Put Before Survivors?

Rediscovered this obscure news article. Googled some of the text. Not a lot of people talking about this. I want to figure out what "New York newspaper" it is referring to.

"some rescue workers were forced to stop searching for survivors while federal officials removed boxes of documents, a New York newspaper has reported.

...

"they had guys carrying out boxes while the rescue workers were forced to sit on their hands," a member of a canine rescue squad who talked to the newspaper under condition of anonymity.

...

At first I wondered if this was rumor based on the bomb scares, but this article describes this happening "10 to 12 hours after the April 19 blast". The bomb scares happened just within the couple of hours after the blast.

https://i.redd.it/t6ufdpvq1af01.jpg

EDIT: If this is using the New York Daily News as a source, then it's credibility does deserve to be challenged. Would be interesting to see if any other newspapers reported the same thing in 1995. Anybody have a newspapers.com account to search some keywords?

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Old 9th February 2018, 06:36 PM   #2
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I swear, the Oklahoma City Bombing is a fascinating goldmine and occasional landmine of strange conspiratorial evidence. There's so much stuff like this that we never really got an answer to. How many years until we get all of the files for OKC?
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It says The Daily News in your article.

You're not very good at this conspiracy stuff, are you?
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
It says The Daily News in your article.

You're not very good at this conspiracy stuff, are you?
I didn't know it meant the New York Daily News. In that case, that stuff has horrorscopes and crap but apparently it was deemed noteworthy enough to have it in the Florida Times-Union.
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I didn't know it meant the New York Daily News. In that case, that stuff has horrorscopes and crap but apparently it was deemed noteworthy enough to have it in the Florida Times-Union.
Are you actually appealing to the authority of the Florida Times-Union?
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I knew it was a bad sign when he showed up on New Year's Day to argue the EOP in the JFK thread ....
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Not being satisfied with the spanking received in two existing threads, another is created.

My prediction - Air Force General Partin will be trotted out and much will be made of the fact that ANFO can't cause the damage in evidence.
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Everything CT falls apart with OKC when McVeigh admitted to doing the deed.

Except for the cranks who we had here who tried to ‘prove’ that McVeigh was some leftist Muslim sleeper agent.
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MicahJava:
This thread would have a greater chance of survival, and a productive survival at that, if it were not for your previous posting history.
It might have been a better start had you actually done some research yourself, and posted that. You settled instead for a plea to others to do this for you. This was done when you asked about Gage being a charlatan. Evidence was provided, but you simply ignored it.
You are also well-known for ignoring any and all evidence that contradicts your pet ideas- see the entire JFK thread.
That thread is also evidence of your extreme reluctance to set out any coherent and comprehensive theory of your own.

Is there any chance we can avoid the same well-trodden path this time? Why don't you track down the source and details of this story, and then say what you think went on, and why?
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Not being satisfied with the spanking received in two existing threads, another is created.

My prediction - Air Force General Partin will be trotted out and much will be made of the fact that ANFO can't cause the damage in evidence.
Er, what?

You mean the stuff that's used as a blasting compound in quarries to blow out solid rock?

Just making sure there's not some other ANFO I'm not familiar with...
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Er, what?

You mean the stuff that's used as a blasting compound in quarries to blow out solid rock?

Just making sure there's not some other ANFO I'm not familiar with...
It's only an earlier example of the 9/11 "Jet fuel can't melt steel" jive.

FTR, the device the two scumbags built included commercial detonators, commercial high explosives and inprovised high explosives of two different types.

It was more than adequate for the use it was put to.
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It's only an earlier example of the 9/11 "Jet fuel can't melt steel" jive.

FTR, the device the two scumbags built included commercial detonators, commercial high explosives and inprovised high explosives of two different types.

It was more than adequate for the use it was put to.
Yeah, just the "ANFO can't do that" bit threw me for a sec. It's the primary cratering charge in use for both commercial and military.

For those not familiar: cratering charges, while still high explosives, have a slower expansion speed than cutting charges. Cratering charges do more pushing/crushing, while cutting charges do more cutting/shattering. Cratering charges are pretty much designed to take dirt, stone, and similar and move them elsewhere. Just about optimal for damaging some types of buildings.

Either way, though, you get enough of it in one place and the differences are more academic than practical.
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So, we have one newspaper story (from a non particularly reputable newspaper) citing an anonymous source that somebody ordered some boxes of papers moved before the search dogs were let in. Taken at face value, it does seem that somebody making decisions on the scene may have had their priorities out of place, but it's hardly earth-shattering, even if it's true.
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So, we have one newspaper story (from a non particularly reputable newspaper) citing an anonymous source that somebody ordered some boxes of papers moved before the search dogs were let in. Taken at face value, it does seem that somebody making decisions on the scene may have had their priorities out of place, but it's hardly earth-shattering, even if it's true.
Emotional shock puts priorities way out of kilter. People will stick to little things like that, and make mundane orders with no sense whatsoever, simply because they are something they can grasp. A huge great bomb? Less so.
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The link in the OP sends me to a reddit error "if you are looking for an image, it was probably deleted."
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
The link in the OP sends me to a reddit error "if you are looking for an image, it was probably deleted."
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rf1xmo6hn0gps5y/429.jpg?dl=0
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Conspiracy theoris are like salted peanuts;It is very hard to just eat one and quit....
http://okbomb.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Wayne_Snell
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Not being satisfied with the spanking received in two existing threads, another is created.

My prediction - Air Force General Partin will be trotted out and much will be made of the fact that ANFO can't cause the damage in evidence.
No, Partin made mistakes with his math.

However...

The most recent peer-reviewed engineering paper about the Murrah building destruction concluded that previous explanations are faulty and more work needs to be done to understand it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...41029615000772

"Given that the structure collapsed, the initial damage to the MFB must have been more severe than a sudden loss of column G20."
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No, Partin made mistakes with his math.

However...

The most recent peer-reviewed engineering paper about the Murrah building destruction concluded that previous explanations are faulty and more work needs to be done to understand it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...41029615000772

"Given that the structure collapsed, the initial damage to the MFB must have been more severe than a sudden loss of column G20."
And that doesn't mean there was conspiracy past the two mental defective scumbags that built the device.

I've wondered if someone went light on materials or used improper materials in the construction - it's far from a rare event:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...rs-3212567.php

Two years ago, San Francisco authorities blamed a local businessman for orchestrating a fraud scheme that resulted in tons of substandard concrete being used in public structures.

But the fraud case against Ricardo Ramirez crumbled earlier this year when prosecutors dropped those charges as part of a deal under which he pleaded guilty to a single environmental count. Ramirez will serve a year of home detention and avoid jail time as long as he pays $427,000 in fines and restitution.

Meanwhile, the public is stuck with his legacy. Substandard concrete from Ramirez's now-defunct company was poured into a half-mile stretch of the Bay Bridge's rebuilt western approach. Inferior, less-durable material also was used on a retrofit project at the Golden Gate Bridge, a wastewater treatment plant in Burlingame, the new parking garage in Golden Gate Park, the Municipal Railway's Third Street light-rail line and other projects.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
No, Partin made mistakes with his math.

However...

The most recent peer-reviewed engineering paper about the Murrah building destruction concluded that previous explanations are faulty and more work needs to be done to understand it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...41029615000772

"Given that the structure collapsed, the initial damage to the MFB must have been more severe than a sudden loss of column G20."
McVeigh was solely responsible for OKC, with a big bomb, thus anything you make up or support, is nonsense; the same for your jfk, 9/11, and other CTs.

McVeigh's bomb was big, and he essentially parked his truck in the building, due to the way the building was built. But then, you failed to study OKC, the same with 9/11, and JFK.

Good news, your source supports MY claim, THE bomb McVeigh made was BIG! Bingo

http://slideplayer.com/slide/7233623...d%E2%80%A6.jpg

See the car??? hello, that is almost exactly where a low down murderer coward placed a very large bomb, BIG bomb, a coward left his truck there, and was arrested the same day, because he is also an idiot, like 9/11 truth followers who persist past a few weeks.

The truck bomb was essentially in the building, take a look at the building, and parking!

Study OKC, people across the street were blown across their office. Does anyone study explosives, and understand how big McVeigh's bomb was, and why it was not bigger, and the mistake he made wasting money of racing fuel... anyone? Has anyone blowup their backyard with fertizerbomb? I did...

https://benwilliamslibrary.com/blog/...ty-bombing.jpg

Do you realize the building did not completely fall? Did you do more than post BS.

Have you lived in OKC? No. Do you know why McVeigh picked OKC? Because Dallas was too hard. Do you study anything past idiotic claims you find by google?


Why was McVeigh such a coward; he killed the nicest people in the USA, for no valid reason. Why? Why was McVeigh such a conspiracy theorist? Do all conspiracy theorists go nuts and murder people? Or murder people who would help him find a place to park in OKC? The best people in the USA, murdered by someone you seem to be trying to apologize for by making up BS.


You have no clue how big the bomb McVeigh used. Why do you insist in exposing a lack of research and understanding? You could use your sources you post to debunk BS, if it was not you posting the BS.
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Yeah, just the "ANFO can't do that" bit threw me for a sec. It's the primary cratering charge in use for both commercial and military.

For those not familiar: cratering charges, while still high explosives, have a slower expansion speed than cutting charges. Cratering charges do more pushing/crushing, while cutting charges do more cutting/shattering. Cratering charges are pretty much designed to take dirt, stone, and similar and move them elsewhere. Just about optimal for damaging some types of buildings.

Either way, though, you get enough of it in one place and the differences are more academic than practical.
Well, sorry but CTs think in cartoons. Dynamite goes KABLAMMO but ANFO goes POOF like a brief gust of wind. On planet sausage, I expect.
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Did he supply the concrete?
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Emotional shock puts priorities way out of kilter. People will stick to little things like that, and make mundane orders with no sense whatsoever, simply because they are something they can grasp. A huge great bomb? Less so.
Certainly. If my workplace were blown up like that, I suspect it would be weeks, if not months, before I could think straight.
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According to the article DEA and ATF had offices in the building and sent people to recover assorted case files.
Not impossible that they were officious about it and got in the way of rescue efforts.
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McVeigh was solely responsible for OKC, with a big bomb, thus anything you make up or support, is nonsense; the same for your jfk, 9/11, and other CTs.

McVeigh's bomb was big, and he essentially parked his truck in the building, due to the way the building was built. But then, you failed to study OKC, the same with 9/11, and JFK.

Good news, your source supports MY claim, THE bomb McVeigh made was BIG! Bingo

http://slideplayer.com/slide/7233623...d%E2%80%A6.jpg

See the car??? hello, that is almost exactly where a low down murderer coward placed a very large bomb, BIG bomb, a coward left his truck there, and was arrested the same day, because he is also an idiot, like 9/11 truth followers who persist past a few weeks.

The truck bomb was essentially in the building, take a look at the building, and parking!

Study OKC, people across the street were blown across their office. Does anyone study explosives, and understand how big McVeigh's bomb was, and why it was not bigger, and the mistake he made wasting money of racing fuel... anyone? Has anyone blowup their backyard with fertizerbomb? I did...

https://benwilliamslibrary.com/blog/...ty-bombing.jpg

Do you realize the building did not completely fall? Did you do more than post BS.

Have you lived in OKC? No. Do you know why McVeigh picked OKC? Because Dallas was too hard. Do you study anything past idiotic claims you find by google?


Why was McVeigh such a coward; he killed the nicest people in the USA, for no valid reason. Why? Why was McVeigh such a conspiracy theorist? Do all conspiracy theorists go nuts and murder people? Or murder people who would help him find a place to park in OKC? The best people in the USA, murdered by someone you seem to be trying to apologize for by making up BS.


You have no clue how big the bomb McVeigh used. Why do you insist in exposing a lack of research and understanding? You could use your sources you post to debunk BS, if it was not you posting the BS.
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Did he supply the concrete?
His company did, but the plea bargain got him clear of the conspiracy charges.

If anybody is interested in the subject in general a google of "contractor convicted" will bring up a wealth of examples, big and small.
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IIRC, the City Water Board's meeting down the street was being recorded at the time (I listened to the relevant part) and it recorded 'boom' twice.

Also weren't there some claims that a seismograph recorded two of the same?

Experts, please advise, (as if you could refrain from doing so)
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You mean the explosion, followed by the collapse?
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CTists need to answer these questions:

What purpose would a cover-up serve the US Government?

The Secret Service, USMC, and US Army lost people in the attack, in what world do those agencies let that go?

The State of Oklahoma was not in bed with the Clinton Administration, and would have been happy to make them look stupid, yet they back the final report. Why?

How did suppressing the truth about a larger right-wing conspiracy help the Clinton Administration? The President was impeached in 1998.

If Iraq was behind it, why keep that a secret? America couldn't wait to go back and take Saddam out, so why not act on an actual attack?

Seriously, as a former CTist, this stuff offends me because it is so stupid. At least give me a functional, remotely plausible conspiracy, not the brain dead tripe we get here.
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