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You may be right in one way, but wrong in another way—you are right in many ways, but you are wrong in many ways, so how do we balance out your wrongs and rights?
You SEE there is so much complications today regarding the interpretation of Scripture—some people are right about certain things and then wrong about other matters. The Catholic church is correct about a lot of things, but incorrect about a lot of foci. So, I am about dealing with the critical issues. Everything about the laws is important, but there are things more important than the important ones. The Churches are right about many things, but wrong in relation to the more important things. The Forum critics do make me re-examine my stance and that is why I post to have the critics shred me apart. So even when I am right the critics SEE me as wrong, so I rightfully accept this in order to clarify my belief. |
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No, I was entirely right. I accurately reported to someone else what your claims were regarding the end times. You told me I was wrong, and then went on -- twice -- to repeat your claims identically as I had reported them. I was right and you were wrong. Do not pretend otherwise.
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OH, as do I. As long as PB avoids such questions however, that remains in the realm of speculation. All we have as evidence is PB's actual posts. Which are obsessed with adultery.
Now, there are countries where adultery is a criminal offence punishable by death as PB claims he wants and his god wants. The odd thing is that they are all muslim countries where a death penalty is mandated by law. I can only conclude that PB is closer to Islam than christianity. He wont like that much. Add in posts like this... ...and PB is promoting another Islamic position. It would be rather easy to back track and demonstrate that PB is promoting Islam and not christianity at all. |
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His obsession with the Ten Commandments is compatible with Islam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Islam |
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As is his claim to be the final prophet. Effectively, PB is claiming to be Big Mo's successor.
As I consider it, this is an interesting line of enquiry. Unfortunately, I doubt PB will engage with it. Nevertheless, when one thinks about it, PB claims that apocalyptic death will be handed about to all and sundry. That's what Islamic extremists do. PB claims to facilitate the handing out of divine violent justice. That's what Islamic extremists do. The more one compares the two positions, the more PB's claims align with the Jihadi claims. That is a little disturbing. |
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I have the distinct feeling that the times will end before this thread ends.
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On 22 JUL 2016, Candidate Donald Trump in his acceptance speech: "There can be no prosperity without law and order." On 05 FEB 2019, President Donald Trump said in his Sate of the Union Address: "If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation." On 15 FEB 2019 BobTheCoward said: "I constantly assert I am a fool." A man's best friend is his dogma. |
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You are wrong—Islam came way after the Torah, so Islam took from the Torah that which Yahweh had stipulated regarding dealing with adultery.
You are wrong because you do not SEE that a pure holy sanctified marriage is what the Creator ordained. Today there is so much sexual immorality that there is no hope for the youth who are bombarded with suggestions to become corrupt. Beside the death penalty which is not part of any constitution the offenders will go to hell. So, this is why the world must be warned that marriage must be pure as is stated---Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. So what is the final outcome—there are those who are born out of a pure marriage, and there are those who are born out of an adulteries marriage. Exo_20:14 "You shall not commit adultery. Lev_20:10 "'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbour—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. So this is the situation in the world today—so people will not be stoned but they will be banished to the eternal dungeon of darkness. |
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It is the contents of what is in the Decalogue that is important—do not lie—do not steal—do not commit adultery---do not covet your neighbours wife or any of his possessions.
So, then you must approve of these things that are stated in the Ten Commands. As you should know Islam did not exist at the time of the Decalogue being given. You SEE comet, if all people adhered to the Ten Commands then the world would be a much better place. |
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Enough tangents. The thread title is about the End Times, bit Paul Bethke's adultery obsession.
Let's get back on track:
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I've always thought that most of the Ten Commandments were some pretty good basic rules for living. Sometimes, religious people come up with some good ideas. Unfortunately, those ideas are mixed in with a whole lot of stuff that makes no sense at all -like the end times nonsense.
Every culture comes up with it's own religious mythology as a way to provide meaning to life as well as a way to keep people in line with the power structure of the society. I see no reason why we should believe one culture's religious ideas over another culture's. They are all made up stories that distract us from the scary truth: there is no inherent meaning to life. We exist and then we don't; a mere blink in the universe. |
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The prophesies of the Border Reiver are:
Yes. He will continue to attempt to disguise his obsession as support for his personal definition of marriage, and will not see that everyone else sees through this.
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Well first of all it is the world that is obsessed with sexual immorality—I am zealous for holy morality.
Hamurrabi as you call it—shows that people can live by an ethical code, a code that considers other people’s wellbeing. You see the Torah explains to people how to live together in harmony, the initiation of Torah will always be met with difficulties as people are prone to reject change. But one essential consideration is that the Torah deals with requirements of how to engage with the Creator. All prophecy will eventually come true, otherwise the Creator has spoken in vain—at this stage none of what I have predicted, based on prophecy has materialised. |
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Depends on what one considers Christianity to be—the first converts to Christ were Jews.
Conversion to Christ did not do away with the Torah—Christianity did!! Act 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. Act 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. So, the early assembly were Jews and converts to Judaism—Christianity today is a conglomeration of different denominations which do not accept the wisdom contained in the Torah as a means to worship the Creator. It is stated that if a person rejects Torah then they are rejected. Leviticus_26:15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my Covenant, So the END time will focus on the Torah as a means to worship the Creator--that is when the Kingdom of Yahweh will be finally established. It is the setting up of this Kingdom that will be difficult--but none the less it will be done, and Jerusalem will be free of violence. |
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For instance, Hammurabi is credited with the limiting legal principle of "an eye for an eye." No more could you claim more for an injury then what was received - if Bob killed Frank, then Frank's relatives could only have Bob's life, not Bob's and George's and Paul's...
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So you see people became evil--there was always a moral code, embedded in the heart of man--so as is written it will be this code that will judge each person.
BUT you see it is the Torah that revealed the Creator- not Hammurabi. So the END is to SEE who remains in the END!! |
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Yet you reject many of the laws - "This law only applies to farmers, this law must be ignored because there is no Temple, this law only applies to Jews, this law only applies within the physical land of Israel, etc". As you reject the the commands of God, so you reject God. |
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Just some support PB.
Signs that a major pandemic would be upon us. The CDC publishes death rates for the US. If the pandemic is global and no country is spared then the US death rate will increase dramatically. The problem is that they are 1-2 years behind. Good data for 2013/12 has been published and rates for 2015/4 have been released. What they show is that heart attacks (23.5%) and cancer (22.5%) are the leading causes. Lung problems are third at 5.7%). Flu and pneumonia are eighth at 2.2%. There has been little change in these statistics over the past few years. So there would have to be a dramatic change. And the media would be making a story of it before the data release. Preceding the global pandemic would be areas with high sickness and death rates. Just how much warning would we have? And there are people in the medical field that say we are overdue for a major pandemic. |
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A little more.
I came across "mycoplasma". I thought it was fungal because of the "myco". And possibly related to histoplasmosis. Nope. They are a genus of bacteria that lack a cell wall. Because of that they are unaffected by many antibiotics. They are tiny and there are hundreds of varieties. M. pneumoniae is the one responsible for "walking pneumonia". Mycoplasma might be involved in cancer. We live in a sea of micro-organisms. They can mutate rapidly. Many are not pathogenic and are tolerated by the hosts. What is to stop a pathogenic organism from acquiring defenses of a benign organism, and not be seen by the host? Our immune systems are the key to survival in this environment. If compromised, modern medicine does not have methodologies to fight off problems. And we are in a losing battle. The number and variety of organisms is growing. We are feeding them with over-population and areas that are breeding them in massive numbers. Mankind is weakening peoples immune systems with toxic overload. It is a matter of time. Now what does God have to do with this? He has to sit back and watch how nature sorts out the problem that is of mankind's making. He is not going to directly kill off billions. And he is not going to reveal himself as the instigator of such a pandemic. No, it is called intelligent design. The die-off is going to look "natural". But who will pay the heaviest price? Those whose lifestyles tend to reduce their immune systems anyhow. That is - the sinners. So what one might say. It is nature. Some like PB (and me) would say - "No - it is God giving fair warning and also freedom of choice". There will be a balancing and an accounting. One should not forget what accompanies pandemics - riots and killing of those who are seen as "responsible". Mankind has not evolved far enough to leave that behind. The believers outnumber the non-believers. |
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