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Old 27th October 2017, 06:04 PM   #1
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Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/fir...pected-monday/

Citing CNN. Fox has also aired this claim.

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Old 27th October 2017, 06:31 PM   #2
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Old 27th October 2017, 06:32 PM   #3
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Lock her up!
You really haven't been paying attention, have you? ...snip...
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Old 27th October 2017, 06:51 PM   #4
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We're invading North Korea tomorrow, aren't we?
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Old 27th October 2017, 07:18 PM   #5
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Does this really need a third thread? It's already been posted in the 2 main Trump threads.
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Old 27th October 2017, 08:24 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Does this really need a third thread? It's already been posted in the 2 main Trump threads.
No, I think this needs it's own thread. This probably won't end up being just about Trump. I'd think at this point, the usual suspects have lawyers on call.
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Old 27th October 2017, 08:25 PM   #7
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Agreed, merge it into the ongoing Russian Scandal thread.
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Old 27th October 2017, 08:25 PM   #8
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Why is it burried there? This is breaking information that deserves its own thread.
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Old 27th October 2017, 10:17 PM   #9
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I think it deserves its own thread.

And any predictions on who is being charged?
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Old 27th October 2017, 10:24 PM   #10
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Someone will be arrested for something Monday. Today is Friday. Cool thread.
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Old 27th October 2017, 10:30 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
I think it deserves its own thread.

And any predictions on who is being charged?
Manafort is a good candidate. He did wake up with the DoJ door-kickers in his bedroom at o-dark thirty for a reason.
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Old 27th October 2017, 10:33 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Someone will be arrested for something Monday. Today is Friday. Cool thread.
This is the first 100% incontrovertible proof that Mueller's investigation is legitimate and is getting results. No more "witch hunt" claims for the GOP.
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Old 28th October 2017, 12:46 AM   #13
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This is the first 100% incontrovertible proof that Mueller's investigation is legitimate and is getting results. No more "witch hunt" claims for the GOP.
Isn't that a bit early? Perhaps they found illegal latinos in Manafort's house and they get the sack? Just saying, you don't know what they got.
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Old 28th October 2017, 01:19 AM   #14
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This is the first 100% incontrovertible proof that Mueller's investigation is legitimate and is getting results. No more "witch hunt" claims for the GOP.
Err... if you want to treat this as proof of that, you're a little premature. We'd need to see a conviction on rather clear and undeniable grounds to support that claim. Either way, it's good to hear that action's coming, but we'll see what comes of it and whether Trump tries to use the pardon irresponsibly, again.
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Old 28th October 2017, 02:02 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
This is the first 100% incontrovertible proof that Mueller's investigation is legitimate and is getting results. No more "witch hunt" claims for the GOP.
After thousands of hours of Congressional hearings and billions spent, all we have is one guy charged for misappropriating stationery (for all we know). Damn' straight that's a witch-hunt.

Let's wait until the box is opened before we judge the condition of the cat. That could be as soon as Monday, apparently.
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Old 28th October 2017, 02:08 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
After thousands of hours of Congressional hearings and billions spent, all we have is one guy charged for misappropriating stationery (for all we know). Damn' straight that's a witch-hunt.

Let's wait until the box is opened before we judge the condition of the cat. That could be as soon as Monday, apparently.
Citation for the numbers? "Thousands of hours of Congressional hearings" and "billions spent"?
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Old 28th October 2017, 04:46 AM   #18
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We're invading North Korea tomorrow, aren't we?
Depends. If it's Flynn we're invading. If it's Kushner, we're nuking the **** out of it.
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Old 28th October 2017, 04:49 AM   #19
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The bar at the Old Ebbitt Grill will be packed by 0800 on Monday. There will be so many people calling in sick in DC you'd think there was a typhus epidemic.
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Old 28th October 2017, 05:59 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Someone will be arrested for something Monday. Today is Friday. Cool thread.
<nevermind>
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:20 AM   #21
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My money is on it being an insignificant member of Trump's campaign, with the alleged crime not being something that points directly to Russian conclusion.
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:30 AM   #22
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My money is on it being an insignificant member of Trump's campaign, with the alleged crime not being something that points directly to Russian conclusion.
With zero insight into what Mueller has or his strategy, I'm not hazarding a guess.
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:38 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Someone will be arrested for something Monday. Today is Friday. Cool thread.
And your point is?
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:40 AM   #24
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I swear if Mueller Rachel Madows this thing I'm gonna be pissed. Whatever and whoever it is it needs to send shivers down the spine of the white house.


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Citation for the numbers? "Thousands of hours of Congressional hearings" and "billions spent"?
See this ""? That's my irony face.
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Mondy I got Fridy on my mind.
I'm put in mind of that time on campaign when Trump promised dirt on Hillary "next week", only to disappoint.
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My money is on it being an insignificant member of Trump's campaign, with the alleged crime not being something that points directly to Russian conclusion.
You'll get very short odds, if any.
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Well, Benghazi never got to this point, so Congrats Trump: during your administration, investigations lead to actual charges!
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"BUT HER EMAILS...!"


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I'm put in mind of that time on campaign when Trump promised dirt on Hillary "next week", only to disappoint.
In the unlikely event trump makes it to 2020, how many times does he and his moron followers mention Clinton, despite her not being his opponent?
I'm thinking once a day at minimum
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In the unlikely event trump makes it to 2020, how many times does he and his moron followers mention Clinton, despite her not being his opponent?
I'm thinking once a day at minimum
They wish they were on Earth 2 as well.
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Does this really need a third thread? It's already been posted in the 2 main Trump threads.

Are those threads really needed? Why this fetish for bundling many disparate topics under a single thread?


And now, my witty, cutting commentary regarding the topic of this thread, lest I be accused of derailing:
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Well, Benghazi never got to this point, so Congrats Trump: during your administration, investigations lead to actual charges!
That's what I was thinking. At this point, even if the most serious charge is theft of a single paperclip from office supplies - it is still more productive than the endless Hillary investigations.
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See this ""? That's my irony face.
Awkay, missed it
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Someone will be arrested for something Monday. Today is Friday. Cool thread.
So, no arrests on weekends in the US?

Cool.
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Have Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor revealed who's being indicted besides Trump?
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Are those threads really needed? Why this fetish for bundling many disparate topics under a single thread?


And now, my witty, cutting commentary regarding the topic of this thread, lest I be accused of derailing:
Because Trump's gish-gallop works best when you can't focus on one thing at a time and are forced to try and filter through all the unrelated other scandals to comment on the one you want.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/fir...pected-monday/

Citing CNN. Fox has also aired this claim.

It begins...
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