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Old 29th October 2017, 02:12 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
[related sidetrack] The mods gave a slew of yellow cards to some of us for being off topic in a Trump thread. A number of people didn't realize they were off topic. This thread is ripe for people not knowing what belongs here and what belongs in the Trump and all things Russia thread.

The hypothesis put forward did not help clarify what would be off topic in this thread; it was too far-fetched to be relatable. [/end related sidetrack]
As I said, it depends on what the charges are. If you need more than that, the easy answer is that until the charges are announced, speculation about what they might be is entirely on topic. After they're announced, what's actually relevant then will depend on what they actually are. Likely, speculation about potential related future charges will also be considered on topic to a fair degree, too.
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Old 29th October 2017, 04:27 AM   #82
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The New Yorker also came up with this:

How Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr, avoided a criminal indictment

It's about a condo deal - there's evidence the Trumps inflated the occupancy rate to make people think the units were selling quickly. It was a New York state case. Ultimately the district attorney said there was not enough evidence to prosecute. That same district attorney was receiving political donations from the Trumps' lawyer. (Which he supposedly returned.) There was one Russian invested in the deal who had earlier been a violent racketeer.

No, I doubt it's in the scope of Mueller's investigation, and it's a state case anyway. I'm putting this in the Mueller thread, just because it shows a pretty close brush with the law on the part of the Trump kids, and because one partner was a violent ex-Soviet racketeer. It shows a small part of the pattern in the Trump Organization, of dodgy Russian partners and deceptive marketing.

ETA: I'm under the impression that Mueller has pretty broad powers regarding the investigation.

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Old 29th October 2017, 04:35 AM   #83
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I'm up late because I can't sleep, but Trump might be firing up his Twitter thingy pretty soon to trash Mueller, claim it's fake news and tie this to crooked Hillary.

If he hasn't already.


ETA: According to Fox News, Mueller is facing pressure from Republicans to resign.

Also WSJ editorial board:
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It is no slur against Mr. Mueller’s integrity to say that he lacks the critical distance to conduct a credible probe of the bureau he ran for a dozen years. He could best serve the country by resigning to prevent further political turmoil over that conflict of interest.”
When he was appointed wasn't everyone praising his rock-solid integrity? Newt Gingrich called him a "superb choice" but soon after was railing against him. What changed, I wonder.

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Old 29th October 2017, 05:38 AM   #84
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whatever the consensus is here the opposite will usually happen
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Old 29th October 2017, 06:25 AM   #85
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whatever the consensus is here the opposite will usually happen
What would the opposite be? I'm not sure I see a consensus - do you?
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Old 29th October 2017, 07:23 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I'm up late because I can't sleep, but Trump might be firing up his Twitter thingy pretty soon to trash Mueller, claim it's fake news and tie this to crooked Hillary.

If he hasn't already.


ETA: According to Fox News, Mueller is facing pressure from Republicans to resign.

Also WSJ editorial board:


When he was appointed wasn't everyone praising his rock-solid integrity? Newt Gingrich called him a "superb choice" but soon after was railing against him. What changed, I wonder.
What changed was that there turned out to be something to find.
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Old 29th October 2017, 07:27 AM   #87
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The tweet storm has begun. He's pulling out the Uranium canard and blathering on about e-mails. He seems very unhappy; clearly this is causing him a great deal of suffering. I do so enjoy it when Donald Trump suffers.
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Old 29th October 2017, 07:30 AM   #88
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The tweet storm has begun. He's pulling out the Uranium canard and blathering on about e-mails. He seems very unhappy; clearly this is causing him a great deal of suffering. I do so enjoy it when Donald Trump suffers.
Has anyone ever asked why he tweets this rather than calling sessions and giving an order?
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Old 29th October 2017, 07:56 AM   #89
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Has anyone ever asked why he tweets this rather than calling sessions and giving an order?
Because for all his faults Sessions would probably do the right thing and say no. The president ordering an investigation into his opponent is probably too far even for our current AG.
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Old 29th October 2017, 08:10 AM   #90
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Because for all his faults Sessions would probably do the right thing and say no. The president ordering an investigation into his opponent is probably too far even for our current AG.
Ordering because he suspects a crime has been committed. If he thought Clinton murdered someone it wouldn't be an inappropriate call.
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Old 29th October 2017, 08:35 AM   #91
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The tweet storm has begun. He's pulling out the Uranium canard and blathering on about e-mails. He seems very unhappy; clearly this is causing him a great deal of suffering. I do so enjoy it when Donald Trump suffers.
There was also a tinge of, "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" to it. There's also this observation on the thing:
Why does it takes Trump so long to finish a thought on Twitter? He averages 8 minutes between tweets that are part of the same sentence.
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The tweet storm has begun. He's pulling out the Uranium canard and blathering on about e-mails. He seems very unhappy; clearly this is causing him a great deal of suffering. I do so enjoy it when Donald Trump suffers.
It does warm the cockles, don't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-middle-finger
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Old 29th October 2017, 09:03 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
What changed, I wonder.

That he's now investigating the FBI.

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Putin morses this stuff over a chain of satellites.
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Old 29th October 2017, 09:26 AM   #94
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There was also a tinge of, "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" to it. There's also this observation on the thing:
Why does it takes Trump so long to finish a thought on Twitter? He averages 8 minutes between tweets that are part of the same sentence.
It's a technique to attract more attention by generating suspense. I
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Old 29th October 2017, 09:38 AM   #98
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As I said, it depends on what the charges are. If you need more than that, the easy answer is that until the charges are announced, speculation about what they might be is entirely on topic. After they're announced, what's actually relevant then will depend on what they actually are. Likely, speculation about potential related future charges will also be considered on topic to a fair degree, too.
I'm glad it's so clear to you.
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Old 29th October 2017, 09:41 AM   #100
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There was also a tinge of, "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" to it. There's also this observation on the thing:
Why does it takes Trump so long to finish a thought on Twitter? He averages 8 minutes between tweets that are part of the same sentence.
It just takes a while to peck out a message with those tiny fingers.
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Old 29th October 2017, 09:42 AM   #101
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The answer to that is so easy and not nefarious. It takes him that long to type the message before he hits enter.

Not all of us are fast on those itty bitty phone keyboards.
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Old 29th October 2017, 10:01 AM   #102
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It does warm the cockles, don't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-middle-finger
I know this is off topic, but while I greatly admire the bicyclist actions, I am surprised that the Secret Service allowed someone to get that close to the presidential motorcade.

Normally (at least here in Chicago when Obama was visiting,) they usually block ALL other traffic from the segment of the road the motorcade was travelling down (which was always fun during rush hour...)
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Are those threads really needed? Why this fetish for bundling many disparate topics under a single thread?
It's for the many people who are interested in the topic, but who don't want to be bothered to check for new threads.
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The tweet storm has begun. He's pulling out the Uranium canard and blathering on about e-mails. He seems very unhappy; clearly this is causing him a great deal of suffering. I do so enjoy it when Donald Trump suffers.
Suffering? He's in the zone. Attention city.
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Suffering? He's in the zone. Attention city.
I was talking with a few classmates about how to play the victim card.

You need to be able to hook your audience at an emotional level; the whom you are trying to convince that you are the victim. And then, hopefully, your audience will empathize with you.

The commander-in-ept's suffering? He's in the zone?

Sure, he garnering attention, but for the majority of the American population, I doubt he's being able to convince them of the "I'm the one suffering. I'm the victim here"
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Mueller is stealing attention away from Trump, and will continue to do so.
I am convinced that on some level Trump thinks he has to win the media battle about Russia to avoid legal fallout.
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Suffering? He's in the zone. Attention city.
Ordinarily, I would agree. But this seems different.
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Mueller is stealing attention away from Trump, and will continue to do so.
I am convinced that on some level Trump thinks he has to win the media battle about Russia to avoid legal fallout. [because Trump has to win everything]
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I wonder if they serve nothingburgers in the chow line at Club Fed.
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It's a technique to attract more attention by generating suspense. I
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I think you should start a thread detailing what those are in your view and how they relate to the current moron in chief.
Excellent question that!!!!! I wondered that myself!
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That he's now investigating the FBI.
Wonder if he could recuse himself on that issue, with someone else independently pursuing the FBI angle.

Leads on Hillary or the Dems should also be pursued, IMO. No credibility otherwise. But then she was not on national TV encouraging Russia to hack U.S. computers.
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The FBI could do with an app that sends an alert when arrests are made.
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Well, itís simply fun to watch the reactions of people who couldnít care less about the law. They ask for a serious answer when itís quite obvious when one is just having a little fun with their emotions.
I know you're trolling, I'm asking you to answer my question: do you think your amusement in these matters is more important than the government doing a good job and protecting its citizens? This should be a simple yes or no.
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Umm, I don't think you need a judge for an arrest warrant, the prosecuting attorneys issue official charges. And it's pretty easy for the prosecutor to get a Grand Jury to indict. They present a case with no defense allowed. No one is there to object to evidence or questioning.
In NY the foreperson of the jury takes the charges the grand jury found to a judge for the official indictment.
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Depends on what the charges actually are. The Trumps (plural) helping the Iranian Guard launder money through the Trump Tower in Azerbaijan, for example, would likely not be as much about Trump's relationships to Russia. The President himself is nigh immune to charges, but the rest of the family is not.
That is legally unclear. The laws on the president to not explicitly say one way or the other and it has never been put to legal challenge to establish precedent. Ken Starr seemed to think you could indict a sitting president.
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You are conflating things.

Criminal Charges: How Cases Get Started
Note "some".
This would be something that depends on the state and the laws involved.
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Looks like it will be Manafort and Rick Gates.
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NY Times says that Paul Manafort and Rick Gates will be charged.
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