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Old 2nd June 2018, 07:10 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Fox News proposes blasting down school walls with cannons in event of school shootings

On Thursday, Fox News proposed a unique way to reduce fatalities at schools targeted by mass shooters.

In “School shootings: This cannon fires unbelievable ammo to blast through walls and help rescue victims,” Fox News “defense specialist” Allison Barrie writes about a cannon called the “BCB Wall Breaker” that fires water cooler tanks at high velocities. Barrie suggests the cannon could help students escape mass shootings by blasting down walls.

https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-s...-8b35027728c7/
What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 2nd June 2018, 09:05 AM   #402
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Fox News proposes blasting down school walls with cannons in event of school shootings

On Thursday, Fox News proposed a unique way to reduce fatalities at schools targeted by mass shooters.

In “School shootings: This cannon fires unbelievable ammo to blast through walls and help rescue victims,” Fox News “defense specialist” Allison Barrie writes about a cannon called the “BCB Wall Breaker” that fires water cooler tanks at high velocities. Barrie suggests the cannon could help students escape mass shootings by blasting down walls.

https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-s...-8b35027728c7/
I say that, since Americans are unlikely to restrict the publics access to firearms (especially semi-automatic rifles and handguns), the only way to reduce threat of school shootings is to make them as secure as medium-high security prisons.

Currently they are pretty much as secure as an low-security open prison, with nothing really preventing any dedicated person from getting out or in.

This includes having few, preferably one single usual entrance, where people are subject to mandatory patdowns, x-ray scanning of bags and perhaps even cavity searches during periods of heightened security. It should be a "man trap" that's operated remotely so that unauthorized people cannot get in.

Heavily fortified watchtowers, constantly manned with security forces armed with heavy machineguns, are an absolute nessecity.

And of course it should be surrounded by wide open fields that offer maximum exposure and minimum cover.
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Americans will get rid of schools before they restrict access to guns.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Americans will get rid of schools before they restrict access to guns.
Indeed, there is no right to an education, the Founding Fathers did not worry about such a thing. Too busy shooting.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Fox News proposes blasting down school walls with cannons in event of school shootings

On Thursday, Fox News proposed a unique way to reduce fatalities at schools targeted by mass shooters.

In “School shootings: This cannon fires unbelievable ammo to blast through walls and help rescue victims,” Fox News “defense specialist” Allison Barrie writes about a cannon called the “BCB Wall Breaker” that fires water cooler tanks at high velocities. Barrie suggests the cannon could help students escape mass shootings by blasting down walls.

https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-s...-8b35027728c7/
Well they need to do something after bricking up all the doors.
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Americans will get rid of schools before they restrict access to guns.
Homeschooling was good enough for Jesus.
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Homeschooling was good enough for Jesus.
Got him a useful trade too. Apparently he was a carpenter. No record of anything he actually built though. A JC authenticated table would be worth a few $$$$.
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Got him a useful trade too. Apparently he was a carpenter. No record of anything he actually built though. A JC authenticated table would be worth a few $$$$.
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Mass Shooting at New Jersey Arts Festival Leaves 22 Injured and 1 Dead.
I can't seem to find much coverage about this shooting without digging deep. Not even a peep here either. Could it be this shooting doesn't fit the narrative of other mass shootings? Why is that?

Some of the available facts:
The event was mostly attended by African-Americans, including multiple gangs/members.
The guns used were not evil "assault weapons", they were ordinary handguns.
The cops even knew about it in advance because people were tipping them off about the gang presence (one Facebook post earlier in the night warned "Don't go to the event. They are going to shoot it up.")
We’re not seeing any demands for information on the weapons used. I’d like to know how many of those gang members were in possession of legally possessed handguns.

I suppose the media is too busy railing on right wing politicians for showing family photos celebrating father's day.
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Old 18th June 2018, 11:03 AM   #410
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Originally Posted by bytewizard View Post
I can't seem to find much coverage about this shooting without digging deep. Not even a peep here either. Could it be this shooting doesn't fit the narrative of other mass shootings? Why is that?
This is covered by the national and international media.
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Old 18th June 2018, 11:17 AM   #411
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Where are the angry politicians waiting to be interviewed on cable news about this? Or did I miss that part. Are the Parkland children organizing a march on the streets of Trenton? Maybe they are, but I haven't read or seen anything about it on television. Has the New Jersey Governor or Trenton Mayor called for new anti-handgun violence laws in their state? And no cries of.... but the NRA! Maybe the next mass shooting will fit the narrative and give the media reasons to cover it non-stop, 24 hours a day. I feel much safer when that's the case.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
This is covered by the national and international media.
Google: New Jersey Arts Festival Shooting

It seems like it is mostly only being covered by some pretty obscure outfits with names like "CNN", or "The New York Times", "The Washington Post", "ABC", The L.A. Times", and so on.

That said, 17 people shot really should get more coverage. The only death was one of the shooters who was killed by police, but still, 17 people shot and four or five of them seriously wounded does deserve more attention. This happened yesterday, but I am not seeing it mentioned on CNN's home page. They have an article, but I don't see a link on the home page. The same with NY Times.

Maybe it got better coverage yesterday. I did see an article on it yesterday, but I don't remember where.



Meanwhile, here in Denver, a man shot four people, killing a child, wounding his mother, sibling and a bystander. He (the shooter) didn't know any of them, it was a road rage incident.



ETA: Here's Vox's take on the Trenton shooting:

The Trenton, New Jersey, mass shooting isn’t getting much national attention. It should.
The shooting was a particularly bad example of everyday gun violence in America

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Under some definitions of a mass shooting, this incident actually wouldn’t count as one. In some cases, analysts, like Mother Jones, exclude gang-related events from their counts of mass shootings because they’re trying to capture what Americans traditionally think of as a mass shooting. Other definitions do count gang-related events but still wouldn’t include the Trenton shooting because not enough people were killed to meet the definition.

Under the definition Vox uses (also used by the Gun Violence Archive), the event would qualify as a mass shooting — since four or more people were shot, even if they weren’t killed.

Regardless of how one defines it, this kind of shooting deserves public attention. While the Trenton shooting was particularly bad, it’s representative of the kind of everyday gun violence that occurs in the US — and helps make America far and away the developed world’s leader in gun deaths. That’s perhaps why the Trenton shooting hasn’t gotten as much attention or media coverage as other mass shootings; it seems too typical in some ways. But it’s also exactly why Trenton should get more attention.
(It's a good article, worth the read)(ETA to the ETA: The Vox article actually makes many of the same points that bytwizard makes).

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It's somewhat different because this mass shooting had nobody dead other than the shooter. Usually the words "mass shooting" are followed by the number of people killed by the perp.
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Two of the other gunshot victims wounded are also suspects. Two or three shooters, one dead, one of the victims wounded has been named and identified as a suspect, a third person who was wounded and is in the hospital has not been named but may also be a suspect.

One of larger gun-control groups in the nation is "Moms Demand Action".

They had a booth at the event.

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Originally Posted by bytewizard View Post
Mass Shooting at New Jersey Arts Festival Leaves 22 Injured and 1 Dead.
I can't seem to find much coverage about this shooting without digging deep. Not even a peep here either. Could it be this shooting doesn't fit the narrative of other mass shootings? Why is that?

Some of the available facts:
The event was mostly attended by African-Americans, including multiple gangs/members.
The guns used were not evil "assault weapons", they were ordinary handguns.
The cops even knew about it in advance because people were tipping them off about the gang presence (one Facebook post earlier in the night warned "Don't go to the event. They are going to shoot it up.")
We’re not seeing any demands for information on the weapons used. I’d like to know how many of those gang members were in possession of legally possessed handguns.

I suppose the media is too busy railing on right wing politicians for showing family photos celebrating father's day.
On the plus side that should make you happy, at least this mass shooting was likely not by law abiding gun owners with legal guns. Now if we can just trace the guns back to the law abiding gun owners who sent them into the non law abiding system. But that would be over reaching every gun owner needs to be able to safely sell his guns to criminals with out fear it is right there in the second amendment, that is what all those words about well regulated militia really mean.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
On the plus side that should make you happy, at least this mass shooting was likely not by law abiding gun owners with legal guns. Now if we can just trace the guns back to the law abiding gun owners who sent them into the non law abiding system. But that would be over reaching every gun owner needs to be able to safely sell his guns to criminals with out fear it is right there in the second amendment, that is what all those words about well regulated militia really mean.
No, it doesn't make me happy. Please tell me what is "the non law abiding system"? Any evidence the guns used in this shooting were sold by legal owners to criminals? I'll wait.
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bytewizard, is your concern about the apparent lack of headlining outrage related to it being black kids shooting black kids?

I'm asking because you seem outraged at the lack of outrage.
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No, it doesn't make me happy. Please tell me what is "the non law abiding system"? Any evidence the guns used in this shooting were sold by legal owners to criminals? I'll wait.
Yep clearly they were made in all those criminal gun manufacturing factories. The odds are simply that they were, now the sale may or may not have been legal by the standard of "he doesn't look like a criminal to me" that is used for private sales but that would still be where it happened. And studies of these show that this is exactly how the vast majority of guns enter the illegal network. BUt preventing that would involve criminal acts like computerizing records. Inefficiency is a key part of the system working as designed.

" "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ocon/guns.html
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bytewizard, is your concern about the apparent lack of headlining outrage related to it being black kids shooting black kids?

I'm asking because you seem outraged at the lack of outrage.
I'm outraged because the black on black crime rarely does get any coverage, and it should. Can't we even begin to care about this issue, or am I a racist for thinking so?
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I'm outraged because the black on black crime rarely does get any coverage, and it should. Can't we even begin to care about this issue, or am I a racist for thinking so?
Ok then start a thread to address that, instead of using it as an excuse to ignore the legal police murdering of black men. It is something that only ever gets brought up as a smoke screen and never with any suggestions on how to combat such crime.

Here are some of the programs in chicago that try to address these crimes,

http://www.newsweek.com/chicago-anti...ootings-654871

https://getinchicago.org/

https://www.buildchicago.org/

https://impact.vice.com/en_us/articl...nce-in-chicago

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9009544/

Then of course there are the high numbers of death including many vets from suicide with firearms and with the vets involved people are even supposed to care about it.

So what is your point other than "what about X"?

Mods Lets break this off and start a thread where bytewizard can really discuss how he wants to reduce this.
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I'm outraged because the black on black crime rarely does get any coverage, and it should. Can't we even begin to care about this issue, or am I a racist for thinking so?
This was headline news yesterday on all the major media including BBC. It's still front news today in major media and it has been updated as more information came out.

IMO, it would still be at headline if numerous victims had been killed. I believe that its widespread coverage starting at headline and then moving lower would still be the same if all involved were white rather than black. I believe it's the lack of victim fatalities which caused it to slip down from headline and that is unrelated to race.
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CNN: Law enforcement source says it was a shotgun.
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Indeed, there is no right to an education, the Founding Fathers did not worry about such a thing. Too busy shooting.
Yeah, Washington, Hamilton,Adams and Jefferson were such a big bunch of jerks........
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Part of the story the press will refuse to emphasize:

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There was no gunfire exchanged between the suspect -- described as an adult male -- and officers, officials said during an afternoon news briefing.
So he only fired upon people working for the media, and not our beautiful police officers.
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And only a couple days ago: Milo Yiannopoulos Encourages Vigilantes to Start ‘Gunning Journalists Down’
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Milo Yiannopoulos has started issuing reporters threatening messages when asked to comment for stories.

“I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight,” the right-wing nationalist told Observer over text message, in response to a longer feature in development about an Upper East Side restaurant he is said to frequent.

When asked to elaborate on who specifically had upset him, Yiannopoulos explained that the statement was his “standard response to a request for comment.”

Yiannopoulos also sent the message to The Daily Beast’s Will Sommer in an article examining the struggling U.K. Independence Party, which the conservative commentator is reportedly seeking to join as part of, what an Info Wars host describes as, a “soft coup” lead by nationalist figures.

Yiannopoulos posted a picture on Instagram of the veiled threat issued to Sommer, captioning it “where is the lie.”

Over the past 18 months, the provocative nationalist has seen his career implode following a Buzzfeed report linking his tenure at Breitbart to known white supremacists and neo-Nazis. After the piece’s publication, Yiannopoulos lost funding from the Mercer family, known in the political world as prominent pro-Trump megadonors, and subsequently elevated his racist rhetoric.
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What do those facts have to do with randomness?
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Fortunately Sean Hannity knows it was Maxine Waters' and Obama's fault.
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What do those facts have to do with randomness?
Damaging your finger prints to interfere with identification suggests preplanning to me.
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Damaging your finger prints to interfere with identification suggests preplanning to me.
I agree. But is pre-planning the same thing as non-randomness? Maybe he pre-planned shooting up a newsroom, but not specifically that one. I view randomness as more about the shooters connection to that newsroom, not whether he pre-planned a shooting.

Not really important though. I'll drop it.
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Old 28th June 2018, 03:23 PM   #434
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Part of the story the press will refuse to emphasize:
"...he says, quoting a press report.
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Nice that he's alive - for now. Should be fun to see if this is Trump's Concord.
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Law enforcement official confirms in press conference that suspect is still not identifying himself. "We do know he's a white male, adult male."
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
OH MY GOD IT WAS ME!!

(checks fingerprints - nope. still there)
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
This makes it fairly obvious this wasn't a case of a disgruntled employee or an angry boyfriend shooting up the place, since plenty of people would still be able to identify him regardless of his finger-mutilation.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
This makes it fairly obvious this wasn't a case of a disgruntled employee or an angry boyfriend shooting up the place, since plenty of people would still be able to identify him regardless of his finger-mutilation.
Good point. I'll cross those two off the list.

That leaves mentally ill believing who knows what
and
Mentally ill believing he's revenging Trump or something involving Trump.

Did you see my Yano post?
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This makes it fairly obvious this wasn't a case of a disgruntled employee or an angry boyfriend shooting up the place, since plenty of people would still be able to identify him regardless of his finger-mutilation.
That's most likely but you're dealing with people that just went through what is probably the most traumatic experience of their lives. Their memories are probably not functioning like they would on a normal Thursday.
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