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Old 1st June 2020, 07:10 PM   #1241
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First off that's certainly not the reason why you ignore questions and keep trying to change the subject, as Little 10 Toes asked and you repl
This is money/inequalities Part 3/ i am fully in the subject to talk about inequalities of white and black. What bothers you is that when money will be abolished your white privilege won't exist anymore

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Old 2nd June 2020, 02:31 AM   #1242
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What bothers you is that when money will be abolished your white privilege won't exist anymore
What bothers me is that if money was abolished, civilisation would collapse. Sustaining over 7 billion people, most of whom are in no way self-sufficient, is not simple. You want to drive a coach and horses through the systems that currently get most of us fed, watered and sheltered, and you aren't willing to talk about the obvious problems with your seemingly entirely superficial plan.
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This is money/inequalities Part 3/ i am fully in the subject to talk about inequalities of white and black. What bothers you is that when money will be abolished your white privilege won't exist anymore
Nope, having been here for all those parts what still bothers me and others is that you simply and apparently deliberately don't address questions and issues raised about your notions and often demonstrably incorrect assertions.

What makes you think I'm white?

What makes you think the existence of systemic racism would depend solely on the existence of money?
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This is money/inequalities Part 3/ i am fully in the subject to talk about inequalities of white and black. What bothers you is that when money will be abolished your white privilege won't exist anymore
I don't think you're right about that. Money is an instrument of racial privilege but it is not the cause. Although discrimination certainly uses economic means to entrench inequality, money cannot buy equality, and eliminating money won't magically make it happen.
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This is money/inequalities Part 3/ i am fully in the subject to talk about inequalities of white and black. What bothers you is that when money will be abolished your white privilege won't exist anymore
White privilege is a misunderstanding of a population in a political body. Also, the fact you limit it to two races, only goes to show your ignorance. There is no white privilege in, say, China. There is probably no greater racist country than the communist led China.

If you were to get rid on money, and go back to tribalism, people will still favor people in their own tribe over people not in their tribe. It will lead to more racism, and more inequalities, not less.

Also, just because you are vaguely on target of the thread, doesn't mean you aren't changing the subject. You make a claim, and then when challenged on that claim, you make an unrelated claim. That is changing the subject.
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The police is before all the protector of white riches.
^Proving the point^

It takes two or more informed individuals to have an actual discussion.

We have three separate threads of non-answers and religious claptrap and it isn't likely to improve with ade.
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
The fact that that is true does not erase the fact that racial discrimination occurs beyond economics. Otherwise wealthy black people would mingle with wealthy white people, and segregation, legislated and de facto, would not exist. But they do. Because pay discrepancy is a product of racism, not a cause.
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
Citation please.
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
Why not just print a load of money and give black people $30,000?

That would work, right? Printing money and just letting people take what they need would work exactly as well as your plan, would it not? Can you see any downsides?
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
Are they doing the same job, with the same experience? I could argue a few years ago, a black man, in the same industry, with the same employer, was making 4 times more than I am. And that is before various perks.
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The fact that that is true does not erase the fact that racial discrimination occurs beyond economics. Otherwise wealthy black people would mingle with wealthy white people, and segregation, legislated and de facto, would not exist. But they do. Because pay discrepancy is a product of racism, not a cause.
It will give them the opportunity to go to free school and have everything others have when the money will be abolished otherwise they will have to wait another 1000 years if we survive that long which i doubt with money, the world will be destroyed well before that. That Obama who did nothing for black is waiting democrat takes power to feed his wallet of money and so the other democrat establishment, shame on them with the republican party.
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The salary difference between black and white is 30,000$ it is a big difference when comes time to pay your bill at the end of the month. When we'll abolish money there will be no bill to pay. Good point Gaetan continue!
There will be no bills to pay but there will be nothing worth paying for either.
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There are no bullies and racists in free schools, right?
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It will give them the opportunity to go to free school and have everything others have when the money will be abolished otherwise they will have to wait another 1000 years if we survive that long which i doubt with money, the world will be destroyed well before that. That Obama who did nothing for black is waiting democrat takes power to feed his wallet of money and so the other democrat establishment, shame on them with the republican party.
K-12 schools are "free" now in that nobody pays to go to them. Nobody sane would argue that makes them all good, or even fair. Yes, how much money these public schools get is not equal, even if you take out money, they still wouldn't be equal. Schools in the more resource abundant districts would get better teachers, administrators, coaches, whatever. Why would someone go to teach in a resource poor area, get a cardboard house and eat rice and beans when they could go to a resource rich area, get a decent house and dine on steak and potatoes every night?

Again, your ideas only increase inequality and tribalism (racism).
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There are no bullies and racists in free schools, right?
Of course not. Both of those are rooted in money, somehow. Look at public schools, which are "free" to the end user. Totally free of bullies and racism.
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Of course not. Both of those are rooted in money, somehow. Look at public schools, which are "free" to the end user. Totally free of bullies and racism.
Free? Just white can afford to go to universities in US. Education is racist institution in US but off course when money will be abolish it will be the end of money white favoritism.

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Do you not know in America there are black colleges?

No you wouldn't. You continue to push your own ideology.
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Free? Just white can afford to go to universities in US. Education is racist institution in US but off course when money will be abolish it will be the end of money white favoritism.
College is not all school. Primary and high school education are free, and that is what is being talked about here. Free public education is good, but it does not solve all social problems, and it certainly does not solve bullying and racism. And of course while there is disparity and much needs to be done it is simply not true that "Just white" can afford to go to universities in the US. It's ridiculous and woefully ignorant to say this.

If your arguments are to be taken as worth discussing, and if you actually want people to take them seriously, preposterous error does you no favor. You would fare better if you had a better grasp of reality.
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College is not all school. Primary and high school education are free, and that is what is being talked about here. Free public education is good, but it does not solve all social problems, and it certainly does not solve bullying and racism. And of course while there is disparity and much needs to be done it is simply not true that "Just white" can afford to go to universities in the US. It's ridiculous and woefully ignorant to say this.

If your arguments are to be taken as worth discussing, and if you actually want people to take them seriously, preposterous error does you no favor. You would fare better if you had a better grasp of reality.
Black can't afford to go in university but Bernie Sanders wanted to have free school from A to Z and also free accès to health care but the medias own by white riches deeply corrupted by money were relentless against him but he is the one who could do the most for the black community not Biden.

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Black can't afford to go in university but Bernie Sanders wanted to have free school from A to Z and also free accès to health care but the medias own by white riches deeply corrupted by money were relentless against him but he is the one who could do the most for the black community not Biden.
I like Bernie too, but you're not listening*. I don't know where you live or where you get your news, but "black can't afford to go in university" simply is not true. It is true that for many reasons, many of them more related to social conditions and demographics than actual admissions, blacks have less opportunity than whites, and that includes inequality in university admissions. But it is simply not true, an oversimplification and an error if not a lie to say that blacks cannot go to college.

What might be the start of a good argument about inequality becomes, through extremism and ignorance, a bad one.

p.s. I like Bernie but I think he's a bit too old to make a good presidential candidate (a fault shared with Biden to a somewhat lesser degree), and because he is already one of my state's senators, I'm not all that sorry to see him stay in Vermont.
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Black can't afford to go in university but Bernie Sanders wanted to have free school from A to Z and also free accès to health care but the medias own by white riches deeply corrupted by money were relentless against him but he is the one who could do the most for the black community not Biden.
Do you not know in America there are black colleges?

No you wouldn't. You continue to push your own ideology.
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Do you not know in America there are black colleges?
???. Even worse than i thought. You should have a reconciliation processus like they did for the apartheid in South Africa.
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???. Even worse than i thought. You should have a reconciliation processus like they did for the apartheid in South Africa.
A little while ago you were saying outright that blacks can't go to college. Now you find a way to lament the contradiction without even seeming to pause for breath.

Long before integration, there were what are now referred to as "historically black colleges and universities," and in recent years both they and their more conventional counterparts have become increasingly integrated. Though opportunity is still unequal and much progress needs to be made, your original statement was simply not true, and your apparent inability to admit any error destroys any shred of credibility your arguments might have retained.
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???. Even worse than i thought. You should have a reconciliation processus like they did for the apartheid in South Africa.
A little while ago you were saying outright that blacks can't go to college. Now you find a way to lament the contradiction without even seeming to pause for breath.

Long before integration, there were what are now referred to as "historically black colleges and universities," and in recent years both they and their more conventional counterparts have become increasingly integrated. Though opportunity is still unequal and much progress needs to be made, your original statement was simply not true, and your apparent inability to admit any error destroys any shred of credibility your arguments might have retained.
Worse than that, if black people going to black colleges is worse than he "thought" then clearly he wasn't thinking his assertions of "Just white can afford to go to universities in US" and "Black can't afford to go in university" were even remotely true. So clearly by his own assertions not simply an error. Making statements you know to be false is called lying, Gaetan. Why lie? Why not just discuss the inequities that do actually exist?
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A little while ago you were saying outright that blacks can't go to college.
You probably read that from one of your colleague or friend, universities should be free for all. A good way to do that is to abolish money so everyone will be on the same footing. You shouldn't have black or white college but college for all no matter what color.

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You probably read that from one of your colleague or friend, universities should be free for all. A good way to do that is to abolish money so everyone will be on the same footing. You shouldn't have black or white college but college for all no matter what color.
Bad answer. You are wrong and you are not comprehending.

1: when you said blacks cannot go to college (you said it, read what you said) this was not true. You did say it even if you'd rather not admit now that you did.

2: The fact that there have been "traditionally black colleges and universities" does not mean that there are now separate black and white colleges. Those colleges, though predominantly black, are integrated. Other colleges which were traditionally (or in times of segregation mandatorily) white are integrated. Opportunity is still not equal, both for racial and economic reasons, but this is a far cry from all or nothing. The United States has a long and shameful history of racial bias and outright segregation, whose consequences are once again boiling to the surface, but even when there was segregation it still was not true that blacks could not go to college, either in the unsegregated North or the segregated South. What you said was false.

3: While abolishing money would remove at least some of the inequalities from colleges, it would not remove them all. Unless you propose that all colleges initiate open enrollment without any limit to class size and without any academic criteria, free tuition will still not solve all the problems. From the standpoint of college admissions, if a thing is free it really doesn't matter whether money exists or not. Free is free.

I think it's a very good idea, admirable and progressive, to make tuition to the University of Vermont and Castleton University, for a local example, free, funded entirely by the state. This is what people like Bernie Sanders are talking about. They are talking about extending the already existing model of free education through high school to include college. The wisest among them are also including further education in skilled trades. Just as now, free high schools do not mean that private schools cannot exist, it also does not mean either that the state will fund Middlebury College, or Bennington or Goddard, nor that they will force them to open their admission to all comers.
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A little while ago you were saying outright that blacks can't go to college.
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You probably read that from one of your colleague or friend, universities should be free for all.
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Free? Just white can afford to go to universities in US. Education is racist institution in US but off course when money will be abolish it will be the end of money white favoritism.
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Black can't afford to go in university but Bernie Sanders wanted to have free school from A to Z and also free accès to health care but the medias own by white riches deeply corrupted by money were relentless against him but he is the one who could do the most for the black community not Biden.
"Just white", "money white favoritism" , and "Black [sic] can't afford to go in university" .I

when will you do some research before sticking your feet in your mouth? Judging by this thread, never, as usual.

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1: when you said blacks cannot go to college (you said it, read what you said)
You read that from your friends, if i said so where? You show your proof or you are proved to be a liar. I don't agree with your segregationist school. I never thought that some one would agree with that so stupid thing you mention.
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You read that from your friends, if i said so where? You show your proof or you are proved to be a liar. I don't agree with your segregationist school. I never thought that some one would agree with that so stupid thing you mention.
Sure. Want proof of your stupid claims? Here you go.

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Black can't afford to go in university but Bernie Sanders wanted to have free school from A to Z and also free accès to health care but the medias own by white riches deeply corrupted by money were relentless against him but he is the one who could do the most for the black community not Biden.
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You probably read that from one of your colleague or friend, universities should be free for all. A good way to do that is to abolish money so everyone will be on the same footing. You shouldn't have black or white college but college for all no matter what color.
YOU wrote that inane crap. Why you think you can pretend you didn't when you wrote it just a couple of posts up thread is anyone's guess.
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Gaetan, I literally and figuratively just wrote where you said it. In fact it's the post right before yours.

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Old 7th June 2020, 10:40 PM   #1272
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Old 7th June 2020, 11:01 PM   #1273
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You read that from your friends, if i said so where? You show your proof or you are proved to be a liar. I don't agree with your segregationist school. I never thought that some one would agree with that so stupid thing you mention.
Gaetan: Posts 1257 and 1260. You said it and then said it again. Believe me, I have no friends who would say or write something so egregiously false and ignorant.

And what do you mean about agreeing with "my segregationist school?" Segregation sure as hell was not my doing. I hate it, always hated it, was brought up to hate it, and although I was too young to participate in the drive for integration in the 1960's, my late sister was not, and was active in the movement, suffering numerous arrests, physical abuse, blacklisting from college, and legal problems. She did us all proud. And beyond that, what members of my family did or did not do is none of your business anyway, but whatever **** you feel like uttering on that subject, eat it.

Segregation was a wicked and evil thing which damaged the social fabric of this country, perhaps forever. Yes, it was stupid too. But are you suggesting that it didn't happen? Are you suggesting that segregated colleges did not exist? Do you have any knowledge of recent history?

Do you, in fact, care whether what you say is true or not? It looks dubious.
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Old 8th June 2020, 05:24 AM   #1274
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You probably read that from one of your colleague or friend, universities should be free for all. A good way to do that is to abolish money so everyone will be on the same footing.
No it's not.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:02 AM   #1275
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Free? Just white can afford to go to universities in US. Education is racist institution in US but off course when money will be abolish it will be the end of money white favoritism.
Did you miss, or ignore, the "public school" part? K-12 in the US is "free" and yet is not your utopia free of bullies and racists.

The vast majority of enrollment into colleges aren't white. This might come as a shock to you, but there are more than 2 races.

Also, African Americans make up about 10% of the US population but make up about 30% of the enrollment. Seems these racist organizations suck at math. I'll bring it up an the next whitey meeting.

Also, college is over-rated. Were I starting out, I'd look to fields like welding or some sort of mechanical training over a degree in English Lit.

HBCU's are not segregation. This is yet another falsehood you put forward to defend your ignorant position.

Also, colleges started out as free. And they were as discriminatory as you claim the world is now, usually on religious grounds. Funny that.
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Old 11th June 2020, 04:08 PM   #1276
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I don't agree with your racist churches and schools
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Old 11th June 2020, 09:50 PM   #1277
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I don't agree with your racist churches and schools
What ones are those? And who is the "you" in "your?" And what difference does agreeing make in the discussion of whether or not a thing exists?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
I don't agree with your racist churches and schools
Wasn't asking for agreement. Was pointing out they exist, which you seem to acknowledge. Now if you would address the other fact that removing cost to attend doesn't magically get rid of the negative aspects of humanity, that would be great.

But you won't do that. Because you can't. Making schools free does not get rid of racism. As you have just confirmed.
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Old 12th June 2020, 05:18 PM   #1279
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I don't agree with your racist churches and schools
Have you done any research? Do you know why there are black colleges? The answer is "No" for you. I'm a glutton for punishment and should have stopped at the first question.
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Old 12th June 2020, 11:05 PM   #1280
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
Have you done any research? Do you know why there are black colleges? The answer is "No" for you. I'm a glutton for punishment and should have stopped at the first question.
I figure some of these threads are useful for tuning one's instrument, practicing how to put thoughts compactly and so forth. As long as you don't actually hope to change what will not change, but consider it an isometric exercise - exertion without movement.
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