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Old 2nd May 2020, 04:24 AM   #1
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Scanning WWII Kodachrome slides, Paris

A collection of original 35mm Kodachrome slides, taken by an allied soldier at Paris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxZV1zao6kk
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Old 2nd May 2020, 06:47 AM   #2
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Hooray for Kodachrome. The quality and more importantly now the longevity is amazing.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 06:54 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Hooray for Kodachrome. The quality and more importantly now the longevity is amazing.

Mama, don't take my... oh, crap, too late.
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Absolutely the best silver based color medium ever invented. Much better than reverse negative processes. And Ektachrome? Yuck.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 10:38 PM   #5
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Film sucks.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Film sucks.
Invent something better, then. It's going to have to be pretty amazing to even dent the vast 35mm film industry.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Invent something better, then. It's going to have to be pretty amazing to even dent the vast 35mm film industry.
I took it to mean the linked video sucks...... which it does.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:40 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
I took it to mean the linked video sucks...... which it does.
Ah. <blush>

Yeah, it does. But the photos themselves are rather wonderful.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:51 AM   #9
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Is there any place to see them outside the video?
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Old 3rd May 2020, 03:13 PM   #10
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chronoshistory has some interesting color movie footage.

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The photos can be found here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/steama...7713040785572/
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Old 4th May 2020, 12:26 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Film sucks.
I would appriciate more constructive criticism.
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Originally Posted by apollo16uvc View Post
I would appriciate more constructive criticism.
Too much focus on the equipment in use.
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
Too much focus on the equipment in use.
Indeed.

It feels like a commercial for the equipment or software used, instead of the subject being rescuing and digitizing of the slides.
You could show the process once (but more briefly) and then show all the results of the slides. Maybe even a bit of a 'Ken Burns Effect', to bring a bit of motion in that part of the video.
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
Indeed.

It feels like a commercial for the equipment or software used, instead of the subject being rescuing and digitizing of the slides.
You could show the process once (but more briefly) and then show all the results of the slides. Maybe even a bit of a 'Ken Burns Effect', to bring a bit of motion in that part of the video.
No, no, no! I don't mind a pan, zoom, and scan (which is what the KBE is) but the new trend is to cannibalize a photo, put it into layers, and then do a slow pan to give it a sort of 3D effect. To me, this is destroying the original (well, admittedly not the original original) photograph.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
No, no, no! I don't mind a pan, zoom, and scan (which is what the KBE is) but the new trend is to cannibalize a photo, put it into layers, and then do a slow pan to give it a sort of 3D effect. To me, this is destroying the original (well, admittedly not the original original) photograph.
I did mean the zoom, pan effect as used by Ken Burns in his Civil War.
And yes. I forgot about the '3D' effect, you can do with that technique. That is indeed horrible.
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Old 4th May 2020, 06:16 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by apollo16uvc View Post
I would appriciate more constructive criticism.
Alright.
Editing suggestion for the movie.

- Shot about the box and opening of it. From 0:25 till 0:32
- Shot of placing one slide in the scanning tray. Say 0:58 to 1:02
- Showing the rough scans one after each other. Max 1 seconds per slide. Maybe with a slide motion as you could see when original slides would be shown. Total 17-20 seconds.
- Shot of the editing process of one slide, for example the child with the apples. Say 1:29 till 1:48 or 1:49.
- KBE shots of the edited and color corrected slides (pan and zoom, nothing more intrusive than that!), About 3 seconds per slide. Maybe ditch a few slides that are almost the same as another one. Total time 1 minute max.
- End with the slide of the child with the apples, or the woman in green dress as pay off.

Total length of new movie about about 2 minutes.
Add an intro and an outro and it should come down to a max of about 2:15 minutes.

Certainly not saying this is a perfect editing, but this is what I would come up with.
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Originally Posted by apollo16uvc View Post
Thanks! I'm wondering now about the story behind the balloons.
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
Alright.
Editing suggestion for the movie.

- Shot about the box and opening of it. From 0:25 till 0:32
- Shot of placing one slide in the scanning tray. Say 0:58 to 1:02
- Showing the rough scans one after each other. Max 1 seconds per slide. Maybe with a slide motion as you could see when original slides would be shown. Total 17-20 seconds.
- Shot of the editing process of one slide, for example the child with the apples. Say 1:29 till 1:48 or 1:49.
- KBE shots of the edited and color corrected slides (pan and zoom, nothing more intrusive than that!), About 3 seconds per slide. Maybe ditch a few slides that are almost the same as another one. Total time 1 minute max.
- End with the slide of the child with the apples, or the woman in green dress as pay off.

Total length of new movie about about 2 minutes.
Add an intro and an outro and it should come down to a max of about 2:15 minutes.

Certainly not saying this is a perfect editing, but this is what I would come up with.
Thanks.

Imo 3 seconds per slide is way too short... it doesn't leave any room for the viewer to take in the entire picture, move their eyes across it in their own time.

I prefer 6, looking back at the video now I would have shorten the scanning scenes and allowed more time for the pictures.

But I wanted to keep it all synchronized with the music, oh well.

This is just for showing the entire picture, and not zooming/panning, which I keep much shorter.

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A curious detail in the photo just before the balloons: the picture showing the Grecian-style church (La Madeleine?) there's a street sign on the right saying in English "Traffic Signal Ahead".

I can imagine it was worth putting up useful signs and directions for allied soldiers who were driving around the city but that seems like an oddly generic thing to warn about. Maybe traffic lights (or semaphore signals?) were still something of a novelty so drivers might not realise they had to pay attention to them.
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Originally Posted by apollo16uvc View Post
I would appriciate more constructive criticism.
Apologies, Apollo16uvc. I did not realize that you were Dutchsteammachine. Unlike some other posters here, I never intentionally try to be an opinionated uptight Douchenozzle to other members.


A9 has clearly lost his marbles! The KB 3d effect is now the defacto standard by which all docs are judged. A doc is simply not a doc without the KB 3d effect.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
A curious detail in the photo just before the balloons: the picture showing the Grecian-style church (La Madeleine?) there's a street sign on the right saying in English "Traffic Signal Ahead".

I can imagine it was worth putting up useful signs and directions for allied soldiers who were driving around the city but that seems like an oddly generic thing to warn about. Maybe traffic lights (or semaphore signals?) were still something of a novelty so drivers might not realise they had to pay attention to them.
Or they hadn't seen one in the months they were driving around in a combat zone instead of a major city!
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This is what happens if you start with decent film, then keep it in good conditions, then after scanning you do some editing to fix the colours. The YouTube did show there was a lot of work involved.
Yes I do think that the process was sponsored by certain company names shown in the video.
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