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Old 19th May 2020, 06:50 AM   #121
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But the tomato problem is just a one-time readjustment isn't it? Tomato growers are not paid while the tomato is growing, but rather when they sell it. That wouldn't really change under Copiosis.
Maybe, but if I sell said tomatoes to, say, a ketchup maker, it becomes much harder to determine when my tomatoes get consumed.

The tracking of the tomato when it becomes a condiment, or a sauce, and sits on the shelves for a month, becomes wasteful, no matter what the algorithm does with it.

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The wine example is more problematic, but you could get around that by assuming that the consumption of the wine will happen at some point in the future when the transfer of ownership is made for the purposes of paying the provider. The benefit of the consumption of the wine would just be calculated and adjusted for future exchanges. (Yes, I am aware that that is still a mess)
Everything is going to be consumed in the future. My dad has some wine he will likely never drink. My inheritance wine, if you will. I'm doing my best to pre-inherit it, but that is for another day. The problem is that the FAQ makes no consideration for this at all. It's only when it's consumed. Their rules provides no outlet for such considerations. And it's a fundamental problem with it.

I'm curious how they would address the situation we are in now, or rather, were in. The TP shortage. I'd go so far to say it is a necessary good, as opposed to a luxury good. When demand outstrips supply, for a good that doesn't have MBRs attached, how would they resolve it? Not only do they not have a plan, but as above with the wine, they really don't understand the fundamentals of the situation.
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Old 19th May 2020, 07:02 AM   #122
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Well it won't replace the existing system all at once, so current computing power should be enough to start with. And if it isn't we will just build faster computers. Might take a lot of electricity though (oops, so much for saving the planet!).
That's assuming much of the people in charge of the algorithm. The system requires something like a central committee to maintain it, explain it, and adjudicate its results. After a certain point they will find that "the algorithm" is a black box they can use without needing to explain why it does what it does. Just as theists can simply say "god did it," they can cite the complex and unfathomable decisions of the algorithm. Once that happens, they will realize that what they need is not true complexity but efficiency in a fancy robe.
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Old 21st May 2020, 05:07 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
After doing some more research I discovered that Copiosis is a scam.

Is Copiosis a scam? By Perry Gruber, Copiosis FounderSo Copiosis makes everything no cost, but you need money? Someone should tell you that taking money for a pie-in-the-sky scheme with no chance of succeeding is a scam. If you truly care about about making people's lives better you should go out and do something that makes a real difference, not bamboozle us with talk of 'Real Freedom, unparalled prosperity, opportunity and potential' via an 'algorithm' while you rake in the cash.
If there is ever going to be a worthwhile alternative to capitalism i can tell you right now that you won't find it being advertised on Facebook ads.
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Old 5th June 2020, 08:07 PM   #124
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If there is ever going to be a worthwhile alternative to capitalism i can tell you right now that you won't find it being advertised on Facebook ads.
Under capitalism, man oppresses man. Under socialism, itís just the opposite.
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