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Old 6th May 2019, 07:02 PM   #1
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Testing Receptivity to Pseudo-Profound ********

Improbable Research (the group that hosts the Ig Nobel Prizes) has released details about a new report:

Finding meaning in the clouds: Illusory pattern perception predicts receptivity to pseudo-profound ******** in Judgment and Decision Making, Vol. 14, No. 2, March 2019, pp. 109-119.

Here's the link:

https://www.improbable.com/2019/05/0...***-new-study/

But you'll have to replace the asterisks with the word that is being blanked out by the autocensor. I'm sure you can guess what that word is - it's what comes out of the back end of a bull.
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Old 6th May 2019, 08:38 PM   #2
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Old 6th May 2019, 09:07 PM   #3
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Old 6th May 2019, 09:32 PM   #4
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Interesting, but I'm not entirely convinced that they have it right way around. I don't doubt that people who are receptive to pseudo-profund bovine excrement are also quite likely to see things in a random pattern, but I'm not equally convinced that seeing things is the key so much as believing they're not random. Many people see images in nonsense, and realize what they are, without being duped into thinking they're on purpose. Of course this is probably a bogus test anyway, because it's obvious there's a tiger in the picture!

It's also possible that my brain is messed up today. There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.


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Old 6th May 2019, 09:39 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.

Me too, in recent weeks, and medical science has confirmed that it's not a random pattern I'm seeing!
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Old 6th May 2019, 09:41 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
No, ********.

I was surprised when I discovered that one can't even link to Wikipedia's article about Penn & Teller's series ********!
'What is the name of a well-known TV documentary series with and by Penn & Teller - without the exclamation mark?'
Good that your first link works!

About thirty years ago, the host of a Danish television station was asked why they still used words and phrases in the news that many people didn't understand. He explained that they had tried 'dumbing down' the language to make it easier to understand for functional illiterates (or is it virtual illiterates?). However, they found out that people were actually more likely to put trust in them if they used words that people didn't understand.
This makes me think that there is probably also an element of authoritarian thinking involved:
'I don't really understand what they're saying, but it sounds clever so it must be true.'
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Old 9th May 2019, 03:32 AM   #7
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functional illiterates[/i] (or is it virtual illiterates?). However, they found out that people were actually more likely to put trust in them if they used words that people didn't understand.
This makes me think that there is probably also an element of authoritarian thinking involved:
'I don't really understand what they're saying, but it sounds clever so it must be true.'
I think this is an important part of the influence of certain political figures in the UK at the moment, Johnson and Rees-Mogg spring to mind. People don't tend to look at their actual lack of achievement/catalogue of lies and failures, and instead are impressed by their classical references and pretentious language. That fact that a hallmark of intelligence and clear think is effective communication tends to get lost...
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Old 10th May 2019, 02:16 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Interesting, but I'm not entirely convinced that they have it right way around. I don't doubt that people who are receptive to pseudo-profund bovine excrement are also quite likely to see things in a random pattern, but I'm not equally convinced that seeing things is the key so much as believing they're not random. Many people see images in nonsense, and realize what they are, without being duped into thinking they're on purpose. Of course this is probably a bogus test anyway, because it's obvious there's a tiger in the picture!

It's also possible that my brain is messed up today. There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.


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Old 14th May 2019, 05:17 PM   #9
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From the article:
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BONUS for PPBS researchers : There are (at least) two online facilities which can generate PPBS for your experiments. See : wisdomofchopra.com and sebpearce.com
I would add wisdomofpeterson.com/ to those two.
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Isn't the whole study pseudo-profound BS itself?

Not sure if self-referential "irony" or if it's seriously taking itself seriously.

Sure uses way too many words to tell us what we all know: People are always "seeing things".

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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Isn't the whole study pseudo-profound BS itself?
I considered that, but I don't think that is the case. However, the study seems to have limited value. It basically says that people who find patterns in a random series also find meaning in random words. I think that would be expected.

Note that the type of BS they are talking about is not the type that you get from the shady used car salesman who will say anything to sell you a car or even many cases of the woo-woo peddler explaining how some paranormal thing works.

The type of BS studied is meaningless words that sound like they might mean...something. It is not the type of BS where somebody is trying to convince somebody of something in particular, but rather only to convince somebody that the words have some (unspecific) profound meaning.
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
The type of BS studied is meaningless words that sound like they might mean...something. It is not the type of BS where somebody is trying to convince somebody of something in particular, but rather only to convince somebody that the words have some (unspecific) profound meaning.
The term Daniel Dennett tried to coin for this was "deepity", if I am not mistaken.
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OP's link via bitly link
Yup, that's a very annoying "feature" of the autocensor. Is it possible to request a feature of vBulletin that they allow the autocensor to disregard text between URL BB Code tags?
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I saw a photo of a car's engine bay on Facebook today and it asked me to tag it with a name. It drew a helpful square around what it had decided was a face, which seemed to have two ports in a manifold gasket for eyes.
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Yup, that's a very annoying "feature" of the autocensor. Is it possible to request a feature of vBulletin that they allow the autocensor to disregard text between URL BB Code tags?
Possibly in newer versions of vBulletin. This forum runs on software that is quite frankly antiquated.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Possibly in newer versions of vBulletin. This forum runs on software that is quite frankly antiquated.
Antiquated? How very dare you! We've long passed antiquated, we're prehistoric now!
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Possibly in newer versions of vBulletin. This forum runs on software that is quite frankly antiquated.
Well as I understand it, the problem is more that ad-hoc custom revisions have been made and nobody seems to know what those are, who made them and why and this creates a problem. Whoever created/programmed/installed those modifications to the software has long since vanished into the tall grass.
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Well as I understand it, the problem is more that ad-hoc custom revisions have been made and nobody seems to know what those are, who made them and why and this creates a problem. Whoever created/programmed/installed those modifications to the software has long since vanished into the tall grass.
Was it girl6? I'd be willing to have a crack at it but we're under crazy pressure to deliver the next few weeks.
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Well as I understand it, the problem is more that ad-hoc custom revisions have been made and nobody seems to know what those are, who made them and why and this creates a problem. Whoever created/programmed/installed those modifications to the software has long since vanished into the tall grass.
Nope, I'm still here and with a little bit of research could work out why I did what I did when I did it. (I deleted all my backups and JREF related files when the JREF..... Er... sacked (being polite) the mod team.) However I no longer have direct access to the server which would be required to do any significant changes.
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Anecdote: A friend of mine has a degree in semiotics. I sent him a link to web page with a dada generator building postmodernist articles from scratch. He was rather impressed, said the page had a couple of possible PhD papers in it but why did I send him the link. I told him to refresh the page and told him how the page worked. He was a web designer so got it. He was rather embarrassed.


I think this might be it : http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
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Anecdote: A friend of mine has a degree in semiotics. I sent him a link to web page with a dada generator building postmodernist articles from scratch. He was rather impressed, said the page had a couple of possible PhD papers in it but why did I send him the link. I told him to refresh the page and told him how the page worked. He was a web designer so got it. He was rather embarrassed.


I think this might be it : http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
That's good fun. I like the time cube generator too.
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We canít say ******** and yet members are allowed to use language like this:

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