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View Poll Results: Was this Power, Strength, or Piracy
I'm a GOP supporter, it was piracy. 0 0%
I'm a DEM supporter, it was piracy 1 2.38%
I'm a GOP supporter, it was strength. 2 4.76%
I'm a DEM supporter, it was strength 2 4.76%
I'm a GOP supporter, it was power. 0 0%
I'm a DEM supporter, it was power. 1 2.38%
I'm independent, it was piracy. 2 4.76%
I'm independent, it was strength. 3 7.14%
I'm independent, it was power. 1 2.38%
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a *(&*(&. 4 9.52%
On planet X, oil is a foodstuff. 6 14.29%
It was none of the above. 20 47.62%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 17th March 2014, 11:55 AM   #1
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Power, Strength, or Piracy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9196514.html

So, what does that action constitute. I don't want to summarize, you read the article, you decide.
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Originally Posted by jj View Post
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9196514.html

So, what does that action constitute. I don't want to summarize, you read the article, you decide.
I didn't want to read the article so I can't decide.
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Old 17th March 2014, 12:31 PM   #3
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Where's the option for "A legitimate use of force to stop a criminal escaping with stolen goods"?
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Old 17th March 2014, 12:39 PM   #4
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I'm a critic of Obama, but this is an act of international law enforcement. I see no problem with it. I wouldn't call it an act of "strength" or "power", though, since it's not all that hard for competent naval forces to capture a civilian vessel. Some strength and power is required, but that's not its notable feature.
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I read the article but I am unclear on who's actions the poll refers to. I think you are referring to President Obama who authorized the operation, is this correct? If so then my answer will be "None of the above" because a one word answer doesn't really clarify my view. That said, I see it as a wise and necessary decision that prevented a possible ecological disaster (Libyan gov't possibly attempting again to destroy a fully loaded tanker) with a minimal risk of loss of life on all sides.

Since it was asked in the poll I suppose I would have to call myself an Independent as I've never registered as a member of either major party nor do I ever intend to.
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No fan of Obama, but I don't see anything controversial about this.
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The US was asked to stop the boat by multiple nations, including Libya. The oil was flat out stolen. It was a legitimate police action.
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I think this proves that Putin thinks America is strong, or something.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I think this proves that Putin thinks America is strong, or something.
Are you implying this was a stunt?

And if America hadn't seized the tanker what would that have proved?

Is there any scenario where Obama can do something right?
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Are you implying this was a stunt?
The poll? Absolutely I'm implying it was a stunt.

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And if America hadn't seized the tanker what would that have proved?

Is there any scenario where Obama can do something right?
On the matter of the event to which the poll refers, I am in agreement with Horatius, Ziggurat, Twiggett, Brainster, Loss Leader, and probably even yourself.
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Team America!
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The poll? Absolutely I'm implying it was a stunt.
Nice job changing the subject and attempting a derail.
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Nice job changing the subject and attempting a derail.
So what the hell was your point in posting this poll? And why the strange options which nobody even seems to know what they mean?
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Piracy, because pirates are both powerful and strong!
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SEAL Teams are good at what they do.

In other news, otters have fur.
Yup.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Piracy, because pirates are both powerful and strong!


Well, technically, there was piracy, as a ship sailed into a port, and made off with valuable goods that didn't belong to them, or the people who gave it to them. But I don't think that's what the OP meant.....
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Speaking as a liberal I say bomb the **** out of them! Woo hoo! I'm Winston Churchill and you're all Chamberlainistas!

You think liberals can't do tough stuff? Well, we can. We're more caring, more moral, betterer at being more smarter and much more kick-asssssss! Woo hooo!
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Old 17th March 2014, 09:10 PM   #20
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Speaking as a liberal I say bomb the **** out of them! Woo hoo! I'm Winston Churchill and you're all Chamberlainistas!

You think liberals can't do tough stuff? Well, we can. We're more caring, more moral, betterer at being more smarter and much more kick-asssssss! Woo hooo!
Uh, wasn't Winnie a Tory?

PS: the only man who ordered a nuke bomb on another country was Harry S Truman, a Democrat. We have a president who is a Democrat. Maybe Mr Putin ought to be a bit more worried!
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
Uh, wasn't Winnie a Tory?
He was also a Liberal.

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PS: the only man who ordered a nuke bomb on another country was Harry S Truman, a Democrat. We have a president who is a Democrat. Maybe Mr Putin ought to be a bit more worried!
There you have it!
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Where's the option for "A legitimate use of force to stop a criminal escaping with stolen goods"?
This^
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
Uh, wasn't Winnie a Tory?

PS: the only man who ordered a nuke bomb on another country was Harry S Truman, a Democrat. We have a president who is a Democrat. Maybe Mr Putin ought to be a bit more worried!
You forgot that the last US President to push the world to the brink of Nuclear War was a Democrat too, Kennedy.
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See, that's the trouble with 'responsible' special forces units.

They all seem 'responsible' until, all of a sudden, one of them's apparently recovering stolen goods with nothing more than the backing of the US Navy and an executive order signed by the president.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The poll? Absolutely I'm implying it was a stunt.
No the seizing of the tanker.

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
On the matter of the event to which the poll refers, I am in agreement with Horatius, Ziggurat, Twiggett, Brainster, Loss Leader, and probably even yourself.
That's wonderful. How about answering the questions?
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See, that's the trouble with 'responsible' special forces units.

They all seem 'responsible' until, all of a sudden, one of them's apparently recovering stolen goods with nothing more than the backing of the US Navy and an executive order signed by the president.
The President signed no such order. Remember - he's a coward and America is weak! I think they have a ream of executive order stationary with Bush's signature on it, just waiting for a time to fill in the specifics of an action.


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Nice job changing the subject and attempting a derail.
Can you clarify the poll? Is it regarding the North Korean ship or the US force?
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Old 18th March 2014, 02:36 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by jj View Post
Nice job changing the subject and attempting a derail.
The poll is the subject of this thread. Discussing it is the opposite of changing the subject.

As for derail, I did also express agreement with several other posters in the thread, who were discussing the points raised by the poll.

ETA: Also, I'm pretty confident I nailed the subject of the thread pretty squarely.

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Poll is stupid and wrong. Everyone knows the Triforce is Power, Courage and Wisdom. Piracy is a different game.
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[quote=Spindrift;9903761]No the seizing of the tanker.[ /QUOTE]

Not a stunt.

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That's wonderful. How about answering the questions?
I thought I had. But okay, to spell it out for you:

There is a debate occurring in this same subforum, about whether Putin has reason to think America is weak. My interpretation is that this thread purports to show that Putin has reason to think America is not weak, but strong. I think that the subject matter of this thread is perfectly and completely on-topic for the other thread to which I refer. I think that the only reason this thread exists separately from the other is that the poll requires a new thread. And since you brought up the question of stunts: Yes, I think the poll is a stunt designed to enhance the purpose of the thread.

For avoidance of doubt:

And if America hadn't seized the tanker what would that have proved?
I don't know, and I don't care. I was never out to prove or disprove anything about that. I was commenting on what I think the OP is trying to prove.

Is there any scenario where Obama can do something right?
Absolutely. Obviously, since I agree with people who think this was the right thing to do, I must think this is a scenario where Obama can do something right. I can think of many others, but, again, that wasn't the context of my original remark.

Finally, I regret that my original remark was not sufficiently clear. Here, once more, is a more explicit version of the same. I hope that it will remove any remaining confusion you may have as to what I am trying to say:

I think thread purports to show that Putin has reason to think America is not weak, but strong. I have no strong opinion on this question.
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Where's the option for "A legitimate use of force to stop a criminal escaping with stolen goods"?
Yeah, I don't see this option.
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Nice to see some folks trying to redefine what this thread is all about, of course, but I've come to expect that from the "define the opponent" crowd.

If you read the OP simply, without trying to invent ideas, the question is clear.

There are indeed some answers missing. That doesn't prevent you from either answering the best choice or picking 'none of the above'.
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Poll is stupid and wrong. Everyone knows the Triforce is Power, Courage and Wisdom. Piracy is a different game.
Actually, everyone knows that Triforce is shorthand for Trinity Force.
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Back on topic: for all of the neat weapons the SEALs have, they don't have access to Trinity Force. They have to use more mundane hardware.
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I voted Planet X because, quite frankly, I couldn't get past the name of the North Korean vessel without giggling uncontrollably.

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Piracy, because pirates are both powerful and strong!
Nowadays (and mostly in the past) pirates are just terrorist ******** needing a slow painful and, thus, educational death.
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Originally Posted by jj View Post
Nice to see some folks trying to redefine what this thread is all about.

...

If you read the OP simply, without trying to invent ideas, the question is clear.
When dozens of folks in multiple threads tell you that you are not being clear, the problem is not with the dozens of folks.
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When dozens of folks in multiple threads tell you that you are not being clear, the problem is not with the dozens of folks.
Well, if you read the op literally, it would make sense. The mysticism people apply here, with people trying to reinterpret every word, dispute every possible confusion, etc, creates the problem you have.
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Old 21st March 2014, 06:52 PM   #39
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Well, if you read the op literally, it would make sense.
I read the OP literally. "Power" and "strength" are synonymous to me in this context. Yet you seem to intend different meanings for each. What's the difference between "power" and "strength" in the thread title and poll?
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Old 21st March 2014, 07:40 PM   #40
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PS: the only man who ordered a nuke bomb on another country was Harry S Truman, a Democrat.
Untrue. Truman was just the only one who actually had nukes when he gave the order.
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