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View Poll Results: Was this Power, Strength, or Piracy |
I'm a GOP supporter, it was piracy. | 0 | 0% | |
I'm a DEM supporter, it was piracy | 1 | 2.38% | |
I'm a GOP supporter, it was strength. | 2 | 4.76% | |
I'm a DEM supporter, it was strength | 2 | 4.76% | |
I'm a GOP supporter, it was power. | 0 | 0% | |
I'm a DEM supporter, it was power. | 1 | 2.38% | |
I'm independent, it was piracy. | 2 | 4.76% | |
I'm independent, it was strength. | 3 | 7.14% | |
I'm independent, it was power. | 1 | 2.38% | |
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a *(&*(&. | 4 | 9.52% | |
On planet X, oil is a foodstuff. | 6 | 14.29% | |
It was none of the above. | 20 | 47.62% | |
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll |
17th March 2014, 11:55 AM | #1 |
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Power, Strength, or Piracy
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9196514.html
So, what does that action constitute. I don't want to summarize, you read the article, you decide. |
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17th March 2014, 12:31 PM | #3 |
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Where's the option for "A legitimate use of force to stop a criminal escaping with stolen goods"?
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17th March 2014, 12:39 PM | #4 |
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I'm a critic of Obama, but this is an act of international law enforcement. I see no problem with it. I wouldn't call it an act of "strength" or "power", though, since it's not all that hard for competent naval forces to capture a civilian vessel. Some strength and power is required, but that's not its notable feature.
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17th March 2014, 12:50 PM | #5 |
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I read the article but I am unclear on who's actions the poll refers to. I think you are referring to President Obama who authorized the operation, is this correct? If so then my answer will be "None of the above" because a one word answer doesn't really clarify my view. That said, I see it as a wise and necessary decision that prevented a possible ecological disaster (Libyan gov't possibly attempting again to destroy a fully loaded tanker) with a minimal risk of loss of life on all sides.
Since it was asked in the poll I suppose I would have to call myself an Independent as I've never registered as a member of either major party nor do I ever intend to. |
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17th March 2014, 01:02 PM | #6 |
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No fan of Obama, but I don't see anything controversial about this.
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The US was asked to stop the boat by multiple nations, including Libya. The oil was flat out stolen. It was a legitimate police action.
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I think this proves that Putin thinks America is strong, or something.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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17th March 2014, 07:59 PM | #15 |
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SEAL Teams are good at what they do.
In other news, otters have fur. |
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17th March 2014, 08:13 PM | #16 |
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Piracy, because pirates are both powerful and strong!
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Speaking as a liberal I say bomb the **** out of them! Woo hoo! I'm Winston Churchill and you're all Chamberlainistas!
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See, that's the trouble with 'responsible' special forces units.
They all seem 'responsible' until, all of a sudden, one of them's apparently recovering stolen goods with nothing more than the backing of the US Navy and an executive order signed by the president. |
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18th March 2014, 02:36 PM | #28 |
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The poll is the subject of this thread. Discussing it is the opposite of changing the subject.
As for derail, I did also express agreement with several other posters in the thread, who were discussing the points raised by the poll. ETA: Also, I'm pretty confident I nailed the subject of the thread pretty squarely. |
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Poll is stupid and wrong. Everyone knows the Triforce is Power, Courage and Wisdom. Piracy is a different game.
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[quote=Spindrift;9903761]No the seizing of the tanker.[ /QUOTE]
Not a stunt.
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There is a debate occurring in this same subforum, about whether Putin has reason to think America is weak. My interpretation is that this thread purports to show that Putin has reason to think America is not weak, but strong. I think that the subject matter of this thread is perfectly and completely on-topic for the other thread to which I refer. I think that the only reason this thread exists separately from the other is that the poll requires a new thread. And since you brought up the question of stunts: Yes, I think the poll is a stunt designed to enhance the purpose of the thread. For avoidance of doubt: And if America hadn't seized the tanker what would that have proved? I don't know, and I don't care. I was never out to prove or disprove anything about that. I was commenting on what I think the OP is trying to prove. Is there any scenario where Obama can do something right? Absolutely. Obviously, since I agree with people who think this was the right thing to do, I must think this is a scenario where Obama can do something right. I can think of many others, but, again, that wasn't the context of my original remark. Finally, I regret that my original remark was not sufficiently clear. Here, once more, is a more explicit version of the same. I hope that it will remove any remaining confusion you may have as to what I am trying to say: I think thread purports to show that Putin has reason to think America is not weak, but strong. I have no strong opinion on this question. |
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Nice to see some folks trying to redefine what this thread is all about, of course, but I've come to expect that from the "define the opponent" crowd.
If you read the OP simply, without trying to invent ideas, the question is clear. There are indeed some answers missing. That doesn't prevent you from either answering the best choice or picking 'none of the above'. |
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Actually, everyone knows that Triforce is shorthand for Trinity Force.
Trinity Force Cost: 3703 (3) +30 Attack Damage +30 Ability Power +30% Attack Speed +10% Critical Strike Chance +8% Movement Speed +250 Health +200 Mana UNIQUE Passive - Rage: Basic attacks grant 20 Movement Speed for 2 seconds. Kills grant 60 Movement Speed instead. This Movement Speed bonus is halved for ranged champions. UNIQUE Passive - Spellblade: After using an ability, the next basic attack deals bonus physical damage equal to 200% of base Attack Damage on hit (2 second cooldown). Back on topic: for all of the neat weapons the SEALs have, they don't have access to Trinity Force. They have to use more mundane hardware. |
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19th March 2014, 06:10 PM | #34 |
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Yeah, but they do have access to Seawolf
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