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4th September 2009, 10:03 AM | #161 |
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10th February 2010, 11:04 AM | #162 |
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New development, from the Des Moines Register:
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Anyway, the whole purpose of this futile stunt was so that at election time, a bunch of supposed adults could write "homo-lover" on their palms to remind themselves of this deep point when making their election stump speeches. |
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Gunter Haas, the 'leading British expert,' was a graphologist who advised couples, based on their handwriting characteristics, if they were compatible for marriage. I would submit that couples idiotic enough to do this are probably quite suitable for each other. It's nice when stupid people find love. - Ludovic Kennedy |
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10th February 2010, 02:24 PM | #164 |
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Religion and sex are powerplays. Manipulate the people for the money they pay. Selling skin, selling God The numbers look the same on their credit cards. |
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31st August 2010, 06:58 AM | #165 |
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The newest development in the tale, according to the Des Moines Register, is that the justice who wrote the Iowa Supreme Court's unanimous opinion was selected to do so in an unusual way:
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31st August 2010, 07:12 AM | #166 |
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"Take the weakest thing in you and beat the bastards with it" realityisnotadditive... blog... thingy... |
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21st January 2011, 07:45 AM | #167 |
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This is an old thread, that I happened to run into. The fact is it is happening. The opinion shift has been dramatic since the 1960's. Where support rose dramatically until the mid 1970s. Then we had a conservative backlash and a the crack wars and support was stagnant. In the last 15 years support is up another 80%.
What's driving this is support is growing among moderates. Liberals range from 60-75% in favor of decriminalization. Moderates are shifting from about 25% up to almost 50%. Assuming they start to look like liberals you'll have the percentages to win referendums. More importantly you may have too many people for DAs to win convictions at trial. |
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The three justices who were voted off the Iowa Supreme Court have received the "Profile in Courage" award from John F. Kennedy's daughter, Carolyn Kennedy. Story and photo here.
Three sitting justices attended, as did a large group of supporters. According to the story, the "ousted judges all struck warning notes in describing being fired for an unpopular decision that they continue to regard as correct." Former Justice Baker said: "I am comfortable with my vote in that case and even if I had known what would have occurred, I would not have changed my vote." Former Justice Streit read from a letter that probably produced gasps:
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3rd April 2014, 08:24 AM | #169 |
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The Varnum decision is five years old today.
The world has not ended. No deity has brought down punishment upon anyone because of what the court did, as far as anyone can tell (perhaps suggesting divine acquiescence in the decision?). Three justices were voted off the Iowa Supreme Court in a disgraceful hissy fit, but otherwise not much has changed. The Iowa Constitution has not been amended. Varnum is still good law. There is a story on the Des Moines Register web site that includes comments from some of the former justices. Some of their comments are not really surprising, except that the things discussed usually aren't made public. For example, the case file was enormous but the justices wondered what rationale could possibly be offered for justifying the law. "We just don't like homos, period" won't cut it, and the supposedly reasonable rationales seemed to be weak and overbroad. Former Justice Streit:
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3rd April 2014, 08:53 AM | #170 |
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I've claimed it before, and no one has corrected me: there was not a single judge who examined that case who did not rule in favor of gay marriage.
This is to me the most interesting part of this case. This was not a case of some rogue judge or set of judges. Everyone agreed with it. There was no debate at all. The law was clear on this matter. |
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3rd April 2014, 01:01 PM | #171 |
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It goes further than that. It shows that the judges in Iowa and other states are not "activist" judges, enacting their view of what the law ought to be.
Again, it is a cornerstone of law that all statutes must be reasonable. Based upon reason. Supported by evidence rather than by fancy or rumor or dogma or religious belief or mere appeal to what the majority wants. Logically related to legitimate governmental goals, and rationally tailored to achieve those goals without excessive collateral effect. The prohibitions in question flunked that basic principle. Yes, when it was time for the anti-gay forces to "show their cards," they had nothing but their irrational hatred and fear. It should have been an easy case, and in Iowa, it was. |
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4th April 2014, 11:23 PM | #172 |
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It's been said, but thank you Brown for keeping this thread entertaining and informative. Very interesting case overall.
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