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Old 9th January 2021, 10:11 AM   #681
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
All of you are to blame. This insurrection never would've happened if Trump had won.


I was thinking that. Good one.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:23 AM   #682
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"The man smiling and waving at the camera has been identified as 36-year-old Adam Johnson of Parrish in Manatee County. 8 On Your Side has learned Johnson is married to a local physician and is a father of five.

The arrest report says Johnson was booked in the Pinellas County Jail around 9 p.m. Friday. He remains there on a US Marshal warrant."

https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-c...s-capitol/amp/
It's morning in America.

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Old 9th January 2021, 10:25 AM   #683
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
She's probably proud of him.
... or she was well on his way of becoming an ex-wife, in which case she might actually be glad to be rid of the moron.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:29 AM   #684
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
If there is a counter-protest to the re-insurgence, it may get totally out of hand. I for one think the Inauguration will take place somewhere else, maybe planned ahead but more likely not announced beforehand.


Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:36 AM   #685
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... or she was well on his way of becoming an ex-wife, in which case she might actually be glad to be rid of the moron.
Keep hope alive.
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Something just hit me. Here's me being the datacom geek.

Anyone with a cell phone at the Capitol during the riot can be identified. Cell base stations can identify anyone who has their phone on. Once a phone is on it pings the base station. That is how cell network know which cell antenna to transmit a call to you. The denser the population the more antennas operating at less and less power.

It might even be possible to know you were inside the Capitol building or outside. That is if there are microcells inside the Capitol. The police can ask for logs of the antennas for that day , then cross reference the phone numbers.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:38 AM   #687
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
Agree 100%.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:38 AM   #688
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It's morning in America.


She's probably proud of him.
You think? The woman is a medical doctor.
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:41 AM   #689
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Something just hit me. Here's me being the datacom geek.

Anyone with a cell phone at the Capitol during the riot can be identified. Cell base stations can identify anyone who has their phone on. Once a phone is on it pings the base station. That is how cell network know which cell antenna to transmit a call to you. The denser the population the more antennas operating at less and less power.

It might even be possible to know you were inside the Capitol building or outside. That is if there are microcells inside the Capitol. The police can ask for logs of the antennas for that day , then cross reference the phone numbers.
Yep. I would be surprised if they havenít requested the data and there are more than a few newbies* tasked with the job of correlating the information with names and addresses.


*They always get the crappy jobs in every organisation.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
I'm getting into "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street" territory here (Twilight Zone episode), but there will undoubtedly be some of those who are potential insurgent allies.

However, if the big protest insurgency gathering takes place on the 17th or the 19th, things may have been taken care of by then. I would certainly like the proceedings to take place as normal. But I'm afraid that, with a lot of warning and travel time ahead of time, we're going to see unpleasant masses on whatever day they decide. I have little faith that things are going to be OK. It's already been bad. It's going to be really bad. Get a couple other big groups in there and it's going to be "The Battle of the Five Armies."
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:45 AM   #691
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Something just hit me. Here's me being the datacom geek.

Anyone with a cell phone at the Capitol during the riot can be identified. Cell base stations can identify anyone who has their phone on. Once a phone is on it pings the base station. That is how cell network know which cell antenna to transmit a call to you. The denser the population the more antennas operating at less and less power.

It might even be possible to know you were inside the Capitol building or outside. That is if there are microcells inside the Capitol. The police can ask for logs of the antennas for that day , then cross reference the phone numbers.
Yesterday on npr, a journalist claimed the FBI could identify everyone who was in that building with an active phone, to a position within two or three feet, through the provider's data streams. If that's true, they might even be able to ID the MAGA responsible for killing one of the cops. It seems practically all of the attackers had their phones on throughout the attack.
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That was pre-beard Cruz.
Seems both Prime universe Cruz and Mirror universe Cruz are pretty similarly evil.
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You think? The woman is a medical doctor.
I once read that, among those in the scientific professions, medical doctors had the highest rates of creationists. Of course, I'm hoping she's deeply offended by everything he stands for, but I'd be surprised if she is.
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To what degree would those committing the crime of unauthorised entry or whatever charge also be culpable for the death of the cop? Especially if within say 3 feet.
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To what degree would those committing the crime of unauthorised entry or whatever charge also be culpable for the death of the cop? Especially if within say 3 feet.
It would definitely narrow the field considerably, which would probably lead to a positive ID.
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ziptie guy, with his $130 "tactical shirt" and "stalker pants" took a lot of care to avoid being identified, and then...

https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/sta...951630343?s=20

Worth reading the rest of the thread

like this:
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https://facebook.com/paddy.odonnell.5621

Keeps covering his face, but was tagged in his friend Curtis Dennis' page. Here he is on the left
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It would definitely narrow the field considerably, which would probably lead to a positive ID.
Iím thinking more along the lines that if they were jointly complicit in the commission of a crime and that crime lead to a death, are they then all to some degree complicit in the homicide? I believe that applies to say bank robberies but they tend to be more planned. I have no idea.
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You think? The woman is a medical doctor.
So is Stella Immanuel.
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Yesterday on npr, a journalist claimed the FBI could identify everyone who was in that building with an active phone, to a position within two or three feet, through the provider's data streams. If that's true, they might even be able to ID the MAGA responsible for killing one of the cops. It seems practically all of the attackers had their phones on throughout the attack.
Maybe. I'm always a bit skeptical since I sold that kind of equipment for thirty years. I have read many exaggerations from so called authorities about the level of detail. It all depends on the setup. So much of the Capitol is stone and granite. It was probably a nightmare to set up to receive decent cell service. That is until the last 15 years and the advent of microcells. These are just like any other cell phone antenna except they run at very low power to limit their coverage. I am just not personally knowledgeable of the Capitol's cell service structure.

You combine this with video surveillance, social networks and the like and you very well maybe be able to do that.
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This was a massive Law enforcement failure - you don't prep Security for the most likely case, but the worst case.
Clearly, there was a blind spot when it came to imagining what the MAGAs would be willing to do.
I also think the FBI had heard a lot of talk on the internet before;it had been mostly hot air and they assumed the same this time. I think they expected some disturbance; but something like the summer's protest;that they would never actully attempt to storm the Capitol.
I supsect it will be lot like the intelligence failures at Pearl Harbor and 9/11: a lack of imigination at what an oppoenet is capable of.
One intelligence analyst after Pearl Harbor simply said "Main problem was we never thought the bastards would have the nerve to go that far to the east", I suspect something very similiar here.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
I thought it had already been decided to scale the inauguration right down because of the pandemic? Is it even going to be in the usual place?
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I think the time for alternatives was at different points before the very last barricade. The mob should never have gotten that far, and someone needs to be held accountable for that.

Imagine an angry mob strolling through the White House, destroying everything around them, and then one of them breaks into the Oval Office and gets shot. No one would question it.
I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2
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If there is a counter-protest to the re-insurgence, it may get totally out of hand. I for one think the Inauguration will take place somewhere else, maybe planned ahead but more likely not announced beforehand.
No.No.No.
That would be handing the insurgence a huge victory.
Biden must be inaugruated at the the Capitol on Jan 20;if that means turning Capitol Hill into an armed camp so be it.
And if it takes Napoleon's '"Whiff of grapeshot" to keep the mob at bay, so be it.
Our deomcracy is at stake. Extreme measures might be necessary to preserve it.
To move Biden's inaugration to a private place would be a surrunder.
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You think? The woman is a medical doctor.
The mob seems to be pretty much middle class folk.
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I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2
Too bad Napoleon was not in charge. He knew how to disperse a mob trying to storm a plece where a ligislature was meeting....
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ziptie guy, with his $130 "tactical shirt" and "stalker pants" took a lot of care to avoid being identified, and then...

https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/sta...951630343?s=20

Worth reading the rest of the thread

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Today's Washington Post satirizes Republicans who have just now decided to withdraw their support from Trump:

"I see no choice but to resign from this Death Star as it begins to explode."
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That is where we have a difference. You think breaking the law sufficient reason to kill someone. I do not.
Quick question: what did she have in her backpack?

She wasn't "breaking the law" she was trying to break into the chambers where leaders of our federal government were sequestered. She was carrying a large pack on her back.

She was actively attacking congress.

That's a little more than "breaking the law." It's not like she was jaywalking.
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Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
100% agree.

These scumbags have gotten enough of a victory out of this already. No need to give them another one.

If we can call in overwhelming militarized force to protect statues, we can do the same for a Presidential Inauguration.
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I also think the FBI had heard a lot of talk on the internet before;it had been mostly hot air and they assumed the same this time. I think they expected some disturbance; but something like the summer's protest;that they would never actully attempt to storm the Capitol.
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An ex-FBI official discussed this on MSNBC. He said the U.S. does not have a domestic terrorism statute. It is not allowed to monitor U.S. social media unless it is investigating a specific crime. It can't do what we all do with Facebook or Twitter, and what the FBI routinely does with foreign actors. The interviewer said "But can't you just read this stuff?," and the guy basically said "Sure, but we can't report it or act on it."

Sounds like one of the first bills the new Congress should consider.
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Originally Posted by twinstead View Post
I don't normally come out and actually post stuff, but this is a really good post
One way to unite the country is to bring them together against a common enemy.

I'd like to think that "government officials who incite insurrection" would be a good example.

There are those who do not agree.
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Old 9th January 2021, 12:20 PM   #712
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An ex-FBI official discussed this on MSNBC. He said the U.S. does not have a domestic terrorism statute. It is not allowed to monitor U.S. social media unless it is investigating a specific crime. It can't do what we all do with Facebook or Twitter, and what the FBI routinely does with foreign actors. The interviewer said "But can't you just read this stuff?," and the guy basically said "Sure, but we can't report it or act on it."
Can they act on it if a citizen contacts them with that information?
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Today's Washington Post satirizes Republicans who have just now decided to withdraw their support from Trump:

"I see no choice but to resign from this Death Star as it begins to explode."
I canít find it now but I liked one tweet that said ďwhen a plane lands I sometimes undo my seatbelt before the plane comes to a complete stop so I know the kind of courage this takes.Ē
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Old 9th January 2021, 12:26 PM   #714
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Two Seattle police officers are on leave now as they were in DC for the riots.

Also a Pittsburgh area police officer is under investigation. His department has said he was not a part of the mob that stormed the Capitol.

Really a mistake for them just to take their officer's word on something like this. I mean seriously, how would they know at this point? Much better for them to be non-committal until later.
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Old 9th January 2021, 12:28 PM   #715
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Can they act on it if a citizen contacts them with that information?
I don't recall that being asked. I would think it might depend on how specific the threat is, and whether the party making the threat is identifiable.
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I thought it had already been decided to scale the inauguration right down because of the pandemic? Is it even going to be in the usual place?
The plan has been no crowds,but it was always intended to be in front of the US Capitol, the traditional place to hold it.
And it has become a matter of the utmost importance that it be held there. We cannot allow a fascist mob is intimidate us.
Yes, I think there will be violence if the inaugration is held in front of the Capitol building. But there are times when avoiding violence is not the most important thing;this is one of them.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Two Seattle police officers are on leave now as they were in DC for the riots.

Also a Pittsburgh area police officer is under investigation. His department has said he was not a part of the mob that stormed the Capitol.

Really a mistake for them just to take their officer's word on something like this. I mean seriously, how would they know at this point? Much better for them to be non-committal until later.
ANy lawenforcement who particpated in the insurrection should be fired if it can be proven.
No excuses acceptable.
And I am more sympathetic to the police then many here.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Yes, I think there will be violence if the inaugration is held in front of the Capitol building. But there are times when avoiding violence is not the most important thing;this is one of them.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
ANy lawenforcement who particpated in the insurrection should be fired if it can be proven.
No excuses acceptable.
And I am more sympathetic to the police then many here.
SPD made a statement that they support everyone's right to free speech, but that if it is discovered that the officers committed violence or entered the Capitol, they will be fired.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
SPD made a statement that they support everyone's right to free speech, but that if it is discovered that the officers committed violence or entered the Capitol, they will be fired.
Shouldn't there be equal concern that people who would travel all the way across the country for a lame duck Trump rally are almost certainly people who believe that Trump won the election and/or that Biden should not be inaugurated?
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