[Continuation] Trump’s Coup - Part 2 - Page 19

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Shouldn't there be equal concern that people who would travel all the way across the country for a lame duck Trump rally are almost certainly people who believe that Trump won the election and/or that Biden should not be inaugurated?

True, but being stupid isn't a fireable offense. It should be but it isn't.

pgwenthold · 9th January 2021, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.

I'm going to suggest any further attempts at disrupting the process are going to be met with a little more resistance.

Edited to remove the not

pgwenthold · 9th January 2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

You think? The woman is a medical doctor.

There is a woman doctor from Washington that was actually involved.

She is an anti-masker.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I'm going to suggest any further attempts at disrupting the process are not going to be met with a little more resistance.

Or are?

FYI, the Maryland National Guard Unit that is on site has been mobilized through the inauguration.

pgwenthold · 9th January 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Yesterday on npr, a journalist claimed the FBI could identify everyone who was in that building with an active phone, to a position within two or three feet, through the provider's data streams. If that's true, they might even be able to ID the MAGA responsible for killing one of the cops. It seems practically all of the attackers had their phones on throughout the attack.

I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers.

I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.

cosmicaug · 9th January 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Quick question: what did she have in her backpack?

She wasn't "breaking the law" she was trying to break into the chambers where leaders of our federal government were sequestered. She was carrying a large pack on her back.

She was actively attacking congress.

That's a little more than "breaking the law." It's not like she was jaywalking.

Breaking the law (which she was) is irrelevant. Her backpack is irrelevant. Breaking through that door was reasonably perceived as a threat to life and stopping it needed to be that officer's highest priority. His position at that moment should have been that he needed to shoot once to stop her and hope that he had enough bullets left to use on whoever would be following her (fortunately no one else tried).

Dr. Keith · 9th January 2021, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers.

I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.

I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray.

Or is that in the next budget?

Elagabalus · 9th January 2021, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

The mob seems to be pretty much middle class folk.

About a week before, over on the OANN comment section an alleged Architect showed up and announced that he would be traveling across the country to be there on the sixth. I wonder if he made the FBI list?

pgwenthold · 9th January 2021, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray.

Or is that in the next budget?

That would take some foresight, but it could be.

Off topic but related:
A few years ago, I got a message from the university IT that said that my course had been identified as a course that was classified as "attendance critical," in that there was a very strong correlation between class attendance and success in the course.

I was like, I'm glad to hear it, but I have to ask, how in the hell do you know that? I don't even take attendance in class, how do you?

What they did was to track student location by looking at whether they logged into the wifi routers in the classroom, so they could see who, among the students with phones or computers, were there.

You might complain about "big brother watching you" but the university's position is that the students are logging in to the university's wifi system, so they aren't tracking the students, it's the students who are telling the university where they are.

I always tell my students this story at the beginning of the semester, and warn them that if they don't want the university to know where they are, they need to turn off the wifi on their phones. If the wifi is on, the university can track your location all over campus.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers.

I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.

The level of detail is dictated by the specific setup. The equipment, the geography, the software. This all varies from base station to carrier. Antennas are directional. Their range is also limited to their power settings. They could possibly tell if someone is in a specific hallway. You can also get an idea through antenna handoffs.

The latest equipment and software availabe today is amazing and is always changing but the cell networks out there are a giant mishmash of much older equipment and state of the art.
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pgwenthold · 9th January 2021, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

The level of detail is dictated by the specific setup. The equipment, the geography, the software. This all varies from base station to carrier. Antennas are directional. Their range is also limited to their power settings. They could possibly tell if someone is in a specific hallway. You can also get an idea through antenna handoffs.

The latest equipment and software availabe today is amazing and is always changing but the cell networks out there are a giant mishmash of much older equipment and state of the art.
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My MapMyRun app is able to determine it's own location, but that's because it looks for tower signals to do it. What we are talking about here is harder, coming from the other direction, and is a LOT of data.

Elagabalus · 9th January 2021, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

About a week before, over on the OANN comment section an alleged Architect showed up and announced that he would be traveling across the country to be there on the sixth. I wonder if he made the FBI list?

UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article.

GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch)

I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now?

Resume · 9th January 2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article.

GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch)

I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now?

Dinesh D'Souza is a felony waiting to happen and this time Trump won't be around to save him.

Reformed Offlian · 9th January 2021, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Keep hope alive.

Maybe she'll get half his guns?

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

My MapMyRun app is able to determine it's own location, but that's because it looks for tower signals to do it. What we are talking about here is harder, coming from the other direction, and is a LOT of data.

Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement.

Trebuchet · 9th January 2021, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

There is a woman doctor from Washington that was actually involved.

She is an anti-masker.

Ninja'd several times over, but Ron and Rand Paul are also medical doctors.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Ninja'd several times over, but Ron and Rand Paul are also medical doctors.

So is Ben Carson.

Darat · 9th January 2021, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray.

Or is that in the next budget?

I’ve heard these are in the next security budget:

dudalb · 9th January 2021, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

I’ve heard these are in the next security budget:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12726

"Are You Nancy Pelosi?"

eerok · 9th January 2021, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

"Are You Nancy Pelosi?"

Nancy Pelosi 2.0

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 04:46 PM

Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. was identified as part of the mob in the Capitol.

Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties.

Pictures were taken of him outside Nancy Pelosi's office. He says he didn't enter but there are images of him leaving the office.

He also says he picked the zip ties off the floor and intended to give them to a police officer. Also, not believable.

Darat · 9th January 2021, 04:59 PM

I’m sure they were all in fact either looking for the toilet or where to buy a ticket for a tour.

jimbob · 9th January 2021, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

I am reverting to a previously held position.
One that the poster I was responding to seems to agree with.
The use of the term "execution" in instances such as the one being discussed is wrong, unfounded, and indicative of a bias that blinds one from making a reasoned argument.

Neither dishonest, nor hypocritical. In spite of your unfounded accusations.

Well you are being disingenuous if you cannot distinguish between a genuine severe immediate threat and the multiple killings of people who were no threat.

Although I prefer the term murder, for a lot of them rather than execution.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 9th January 2021, 05:03 PM

https://twitter.com/Elaijuh/status/1347205394393927697

Quote:

The Trump campaign lawyer who said there were a “non-zero number” of Republicans observing Philly vote count asks to withdraw:

“client has used the lawyer’s services to perpetrate a crime and the client insists upon taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant”

Document embedded in tweet.

Dr. Keith · 9th January 2021, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement.

I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information.

I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know.

johnny karate · 9th January 2021, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article.

GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch)

I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now?

The comment section - going back to before the coup - is a real hoot.

trustbutverify · 9th January 2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wudang

I’m thinking more along the lines that if they were jointly complicit in the commission of a crime and that crime lead to a death, are they then all to some degree complicit in the homicide? I believe that applies to say bank robberies but they tend to be more planned. I have no idea.

I get you. Yea, that's certainly an interesting possibility.

slyjoe · 9th January 2021, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know.

Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you.

johnny karate · 9th January 2021, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/Elaijuh/status/1347205394393927697

Document embedded in tweet.

“Rats fleeing a sinking ship” doesn’t really do it justice.

More like maggots squirming away from a bloated corpse.

trustbutverify · 9th January 2021, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Maybe. I'm always a bit skeptical since I sold that kind of equipment for thirty years. I have read many exaggerations from so called authorities about the level of detail. It all depends on the setup. So much of the Capitol is stone and granite. It was probably a nightmare to set up to receive decent cell service. That is until the last 15 years and the advent of microcells. These are just like any other cell phone antenna except they run at very low power to limit their coverage. I am just not personally knowledgeable of the Capitol's cell service structure.

You combine this with video surveillance, social networks and the like and you very well maybe be able to do that.

I hope so. The ping activity should be a treasure of useful information.

trustbutverify · 9th January 2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2

I suspect there was some inside cooperation, both in preparation and on the ground. I hope not, but I suspect it.

trustbutverify · 9th January 2021, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers.

I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.

I was under the impression they did. Could be wrong.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you.

For the most part that is true.

A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info.

slyjoe · 9th January 2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

For the most part that is true.

A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info.

They're a little more complicated than servers due to the real time nature of some of their functions. I used to design BSCs.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

They're a little more complicated than servers due to the real time nature of some of their functions. I used to design BSCs.

Things have changed my friend. The world has passed us by.

Quote:

A smart central office consists of a service provider installing servers, storage and switching to create mini data centers in selected existing COs.
https://www.fiercetelecom.com/teleco...r-says-analyst

Meadmaker · 9th January 2021, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. was identified as part of the mob in the Capitol.

Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties.

Pictures were taken of him outside Nancy Pelosi's office. He says he didn't enter but there are images of him leaving the office.

He also says he picked the zip ties off the floor and intended to give them to a police officer. Also, not believable.

Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.

acbytesla · 9th January 2021, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.

It's impossible to say what they were up to. Still the mob erected gallows outside the Capitol and at least 2 individuals had the big zip tie style handcuffs, and lots of people were asking where is Pence?

I believe that most of this group didn't have a clue what they were doing. That doesn't mean that some didn't have specific plans to apprehend members of Congress.

trustbutverify · 9th January 2021, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.

Charge em with conspiracy to piss me off. I want these ******** to rot in prison.

shemp · 9th January 2021, 09:06 PM

It's too bad that there isn't a charge of "being a ******* dumbass."

9th January 2021, 01:01 PM	#721
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Shouldn't there be equal concern that people who would travel all the way across the country for a lame duck Trump rally are almost certainly people who believe that Trump won the election and/or that Biden should not be inaugurated? True, but being stupid isn't a fireable offense. It should be but it isn't.
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9th January 2021, 01:12 PM	#722
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by Horatius Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there. As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot. Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment. I'm going to suggest any further attempts at disrupting the process are going to be met with a little more resistance. Edited to remove the not
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9th January 2021, 01:15 PM	#723
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by acbytesla You think? The woman is a medical doctor. There is a woman doctor from Washington that was actually involved. She is an anti-masker.
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9th January 2021, 01:16 PM	#724
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I'm going to suggest any further attempts at disrupting the process are not going to be met with a little more resistance. Or are? FYI, the Maryland National Guard Unit that is on site has been mobilized through the inauguration.
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9th January 2021, 01:17 PM	#725
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by trustbutverify Yesterday on npr, a journalist claimed the FBI could identify everyone who was in that building with an active phone, to a position within two or three feet, through the provider's data streams. If that's true, they might even be able to ID the MAGA responsible for killing one of the cops. It seems practically all of the attackers had their phones on throughout the attack. I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers. I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.
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9th January 2021, 01:17 PM	#726
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,464	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Quick question: what did she have in her backpack? She wasn't "breaking the law" she was trying to break into the chambers where leaders of our federal government were sequestered. She was carrying a large pack on her back. She was actively attacking congress. That's a little more than "breaking the law." It's not like she was jaywalking. Breaking the law (which she was) is irrelevant. Her backpack is irrelevant. Breaking through that door was reasonably perceived as a threat to life and stopping it needed to be that officer's highest priority. His position at that moment should have been that he needed to shoot once to stop her and hope that he had enough bullets left to use on whoever would be following her (fortunately no one else tried).
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9th January 2021, 01:21 PM	#727
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,574	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers. I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position. I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray. Or is that in the next budget?
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9th January 2021, 01:27 PM	#728
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,919	Originally Posted by Darat The mob seems to be pretty much middle class folk. About a week before, over on the OANN comment section an alleged Architect showed up and announced that he would be traveling across the country to be there on the sixth. I wonder if he made the FBI list?
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9th January 2021, 01:34 PM	#729
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray. Or is that in the next budget? That would take some foresight, but it could be. Off topic but related: A few years ago, I got a message from the university IT that said that my course had been identified as a course that was classified as "attendance critical," in that there was a very strong correlation between class attendance and success in the course. I was like, I'm glad to hear it, but I have to ask, how in the hell do you know that? I don't even take attendance in class, how do you? What they did was to track student location by looking at whether they logged into the wifi routers in the classroom, so they could see who, among the students with phones or computers, were there. You might complain about "big brother watching you" but the university's position is that the students are logging in to the university's wifi system, so they aren't tracking the students, it's the students who are telling the university where they are. I always tell my students this story at the beginning of the semester, and warn them that if they don't want the university to know where they are, they need to turn off the wifi on their phones. If the wifi is on, the university can track your location all over campus.
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9th January 2021, 01:36 PM	#730
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers. I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position. The level of detail is dictated by the specific setup. The equipment, the geography, the software. This all varies from base station to carrier. Antennas are directional. Their range is also limited to their power settings. They could possibly tell if someone is in a specific hallway. You can also get an idea through antenna handoffs. The latest equipment and software availabe today is amazing and is always changing but the cell networks out there are a giant mishmash of much older equipment and state of the art. .
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9th January 2021, 02:01 PM	#731
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,133	Originally Posted by acbytesla The level of detail is dictated by the specific setup. The equipment, the geography, the software. This all varies from base station to carrier. Antennas are directional. Their range is also limited to their power settings. They could possibly tell if someone is in a specific hallway. You can also get an idea through antenna handoffs. The latest equipment and software availabe today is amazing and is always changing but the cell networks out there are a giant mishmash of much older equipment and state of the art. . My MapMyRun app is able to determine it's own location, but that's because it looks for tower signals to do it. What we are talking about here is harder, coming from the other direction, and is a LOT of data.
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9th January 2021, 02:08 PM	#732
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6,919	Originally Posted by Elagabalus About a week before, over on the OANN comment section an alleged Architect showed up and announced that he would be traveling across the country to be there on the sixth. I wonder if he made the FBI list? UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article. GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch) I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now?
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9th January 2021, 02:23 PM	#733
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,859	Originally Posted by Elagabalus UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article. GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch) I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now? Dinesh D'Souza is a felony waiting to happen and this time Trump won't be around to save him.

9th January 2021, 02:24 PM	#734
Reformed Offlian Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 350	Originally Posted by trustbutverify Keep hope alive. Maybe she'll get half his guns?

9th January 2021, 02:25 PM	#735
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by pgwenthold My MapMyRun app is able to determine it's own location, but that's because it looks for tower signals to do it. What we are talking about here is harder, coming from the other direction, and is a LOT of data. Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement.
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9th January 2021, 02:31 PM	#736
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,066	Originally Posted by pgwenthold There is a woman doctor from Washington that was actually involved. She is an anti-masker. Ninja'd several times over, but Ron and Rand Paul are also medical doctors.
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9th January 2021, 02:38 PM	#737
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Ninja'd several times over, but Ron and Rand Paul are also medical doctors. So is Ben Carson.
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9th January 2021, 02:47 PM	#738
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,108	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I wonder if the Capitol Police or FBI have monitoring set up on the towers in the area, sort like a permanent Stingray. Or is that in the next budget? I’ve heard these are in the next security budget:
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9th January 2021, 02:51 PM	#739
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Originally Posted by Darat I’ve heard these are in the next security budget: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12726 "Are You Nancy Pelosi?"
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9th January 2021, 03:03 PM	#740
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 3,572	Originally Posted by dudalb "Are You Nancy Pelosi?" Nancy Pelosi 2.0
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9th January 2021, 04:46 PM	#741
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. was identified as part of the mob in the Capitol. Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties. Pictures were taken of him outside Nancy Pelosi's office. He says he didn't enter but there are images of him leaving the office. He also says he picked the zip ties off the floor and intended to give them to a police officer. Also, not believable.
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9th January 2021, 04:59 PM	#742
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,108	I’m sure they were all in fact either looking for the toilet or where to buy a ticket for a tour.
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9th January 2021, 05:00 PM	#743
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,808	Originally Posted by Distracted1 I am reverting to a previously held position. One that the poster I was responding to seems to agree with. The use of the term "execution" in instances such as the one being discussed is wrong, unfounded, and indicative of a bias that blinds one from making a reasoned argument. Neither dishonest, nor hypocritical. In spite of your unfounded accusations. Well you are being disingenuous if you cannot distinguish between a genuine severe immediate threat and the multiple killings of people who were no threat. Although I prefer the term murder, for a lot of them rather than execution.
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9th January 2021, 05:03 PM	#744
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,255	https://twitter.com/Elaijuh/status/1347205394393927697 Quote: The Trump campaign lawyer who said there were a “non-zero number” of Republicans observing Philly vote count asks to withdraw: “client has used the lawyer’s services to perpetrate a crime and the client insists upon taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant” Document embedded in tweet.
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9th January 2021, 05:12 PM	#745
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,574	Originally Posted by acbytesla Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement. I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information.
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9th January 2021, 05:15 PM	#746
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information. I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know.
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9th January 2021, 05:19 PM	#747
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,581	Originally Posted by Elagabalus UPDATE:I just found his posts again and I see he references DD from this non-article. GOP in the Senate had better smarten up. Dinesh lays it all out. (General Dispatch) I haven't seen Dinesh D'Souza mentioned yet. I wonder what **** he was saying leading up to the sixth and what he's saying now? The comment section - going back to before the coup - is a real hoot.

9th January 2021, 05:20 PM	#748
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,887	Originally Posted by Wudang I’m thinking more along the lines that if they were jointly complicit in the commission of a crime and that crime lead to a death, are they then all to some degree complicit in the homicide? I believe that applies to say bank robberies but they tend to be more planned. I have no idea. I get you. Yea, that's certainly an interesting possibility.
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9th January 2021, 05:21 PM	#749
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,564	Originally Posted by acbytesla I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know. Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you.
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9th January 2021, 05:22 PM	#750
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,581	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://twitter.com/Elaijuh/status/1347205394393927697 Document embedded in tweet. “Rats fleeing a sinking ship” doesn’t really do it justice. More like maggots squirming away from a bloated corpse.

9th January 2021, 05:26 PM	#751
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,887	Originally Posted by acbytesla Maybe. I'm always a bit skeptical since I sold that kind of equipment for thirty years. I have read many exaggerations from so called authorities about the level of detail. It all depends on the setup. So much of the Capitol is stone and granite. It was probably a nightmare to set up to receive decent cell service. That is until the last 15 years and the advent of microcells. These are just like any other cell phone antenna except they run at very low power to limit their coverage. I am just not personally knowledgeable of the Capitol's cell service structure. You combine this with video surveillance, social networks and the like and you very well maybe be able to do that. I hope so. The ping activity should be a treasure of useful information.
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9th January 2021, 05:28 PM	#752
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,887	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital. By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there. That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2 I suspect there was some inside cooperation, both in preparation and on the ground. I hope not, but I suspect it.
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9th January 2021, 05:35 PM	#753
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,887	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers. I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position. I was under the impression they did. Could be wrong.
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9th January 2021, 06:05 PM	#754
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,309	Originally Posted by slyjoe Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you. For the most part that is true. A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info.
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9th January 2021, 06:16 PM	#755
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,564	Originally Posted by acbytesla For the most part that is true. A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info. They're a little more complicated than servers due to the real time nature of some of their functions. I used to design BSCs.
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