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Old 10th July 2018, 02:14 PM   #1761
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Can you point to a poster here who thinks those two are "in this to change the world"?
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Come on man! I'm waiting to see if it was me
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Stormy got herself arrested last night for touching a patron while nude...or somesuch.

Not hard to find a link if you need all the gory details.
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now she's been arrested. can't blow the thread off much longer!
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Old 12th July 2018, 04:29 AM   #1765
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/12/p...ested-in-ohio/

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Under Ohio law, an employee who regularly appears nude or seminude on the premises of a sexually oriented business is not allowed to touch anyone who's not a family member while nude or seminude at that business.
So...they are allowed to touch family members?
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Old 12th July 2018, 04:34 AM   #1766
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And I guess that means a lap dance is right out???

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Old 12th July 2018, 04:49 AM   #1767
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
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So...they are allowed to touch family members?
I know, seems rather strange, but each to their own.
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I think she is lucky the charges aren't a lot more serious...

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Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, was performing at Sirens Adult Entertainment Club on Cleveland Avenue in north Columbus. According to an arrest report, Daniels began dancing around 11:30 Wednesday night. During her performance, officers in the club said they witnessed Daniels using her bare breasts to smack patrons. The officers also said they observed Daniels fondling the breasts of female patrons.

The report states that when the officers approached the stage, Daniels held the face of the female officer between her breasts. It also says she did the same to a male officer. The report goes on to say Daniels fondled the buttocks and breasts of another officer. At that point, court documents state that a fourth officer exited the club to request assistance to make an arrest.
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These days, Clifford is taking a hell of a risk of a sexual assault charge if she's touching patrons, imo. One of them could easily say they didn't ask for such contact.
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Old 12th July 2018, 05:23 AM   #1770
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I think she is lucky the charges aren't a lot more serious...
4 officers in the club and then they had to request additional officers to arrest her? One would almost think they were trying to get a free show!
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Ohio cares, a lot. It lets freaky wrestling coaches touch inappropriately and sexually harass young students in their care with no charges brought, but frowns on consensual touching among adults. How holy and typically Cringian "Christian." Looking at you, Rep. Jim Jordan, star Hypocrite of Ohio.
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https://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.c...7/img_8125.jpg

That's the report, which is a bit of a different story, but is pretty clearly multiple violations of the law.
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Ohio cares, a lot. It lets freaky wrestling coaches touch inappropriately and sexually harass young students in their care with no charges brought, but frowns on consensual touching among adults. How holy and typically Cringian "Christian." Looking at you, Rep. Jim Jordan, star Hypocrite of Ohio.
In addition to the fact that is next level whataboutism designed to derail the discussions from Stormy's sexual abuse, the alleged statements in this post regarding what people are saying about him are utterly false and complete lies.

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4 officers in the club and then they had to request additional officers to arrest her? One would almost think they were trying to get a free show!
They arrested three dancers, I believe. The undercover cops likely did not participate in the arrests.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
I think she is lucky the charges aren't a lot more serious...
What specific laws do you think were violated in those interactions?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
In addition to the fact that is next level whataboutism designed to derail the discussions from Stormy's sexual abuse, the alleged statements in this post regarding what people are saying about him are utterly false and complete lies.

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This discussion is about her suing the president, not Stormy's offense in Ohio.
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What specific laws do you think were violated in those interactions?
I think that LTC8K6 was quite specific that Stormy Daniels was lucky that none of the victims brought sexual assault allegations.
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This seems like a great use of police time and taxpayer money.
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I think that LTC8K6 was quite specific that Stormy Daniels was lucky that none of the victims brought sexual assault allegations.
And of course that would have meant that the contact was not consensual which there seems to be absolutely no indication that it was. So as they are only charging with violations of prohibitions of consensual contact it would seem that the officers consented to being assaulted.
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And of course that would have meant that the contact was not consensual which there seems to be absolutely no indication that it was. So as they are only charging with violations of prohibitions of consensual contact it would seem that the officers consented to being assaulted.
Is consent for sexual contact assumed, or does it have to be sought ?

Did Stormy Daniels seek consent ?

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If consent was sought and given - is this entrapment ?

If it wasn't given then IMO she is lucky that the charges aren't more serious. Maybe consent is implied by being a punter in a strip joint.
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Stormy Daniels sues the President Part II

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And of course that would have meant that the contact was not consensual which there seems to be absolutely no indication that it was. So as they are only charging with violations of prohibitions of consensual contact it would seem that the officers consented to being assaulted.
A bartender at my neighborhood bar got fired after she sold a cigarette to an undercover cop without checking their ID. Did the cop consent to the transaction? Does it matter?
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This will make her live show even more popular. Another boost to her career - this time because she was arrested.
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A bartender at my neighborhood bar got fired after she sold a cigarette to an undercover cop without checking their ID. Did the cop consent to the transaction? Does it matter?
It would if there was a separate crime of forcing cigarettes on people.

Stormy Daniels has been charged as if the contact was consensual. The question is whether she is lucky not to have additionally been charged with sexual assault.
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It's interesting that so many females are the target of her bawdyness. I don't know anything about her business persona. Is she very much bisexual in her films and live performances?
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A bartender at my neighborhood bar got fired after she sold a cigarette to an undercover cop without checking their ID. Did the cop consent to the transaction? Does it matter?
cool story brah
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It's interesting that so many females are the target of her bawdyness. I don't know anything about her business persona. Is she very much bisexual in her films and live performances?
It could also be that her punters like to see a bit of girl-on-girl action.
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This discussion is about her suing the president, not Stormy's offense in Ohio.
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This will make her live show even more popular. Another boost to her career - this time because she was arrested.
well, from what I hear it will probably not make it less popular, in fact I believe that would be hard to do at this point.
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well, from what I hear it will probably not make it less popular, in fact I believe that would be hard to do at this point.
It will become more popular if many people don't already know that a Stormy show includes patrons getting a bare titty face smash and slap. I myself would have thought that that isn't part of the show.
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It will become more popular if many people don't already know that a Stormy show includes patrons getting a bare titty face smash and slap. I myself would have thought that that isn't part of the show.
Some would call that a bug, but I guess one could see it as a feature.
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It could also be that her punters like to see a bit of girl-on-girl action.
I wonder if it is performed and perceived as an act of seduction or an act of dominance, or both, or what.
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Interesting theory: her team called the cops on Stormy to obscure the fact that their cases in California are turning to **** and the bankruptcy court just hung a huge collar on her lawyer.

As mentioned above, what better advertising for a busted porn star than an arrest?

Just sleazy enough to work!
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OK, weird . . . I guess it wasn't a duplicate?

Anyway, I was just mentioning that Stormy blew through my neighborhood over the 4th and 5th of July. According to the club owner, who I know, it was sparsely attended and he lost quite a bit of money. The patrons that did attend were disappointed that she wasn't as touchy-feely as the regular dancers. The Rio Grande Valley is pretty conservative also. Touching isn't allowed in my city, McAllen, but in the city across the street, Edinburg, it's allowed. Thus, all the strip bars are in Edinburg.

I'd wager that the club in Ohio usually has no problem with touching patrons; it's the norm. Those cops were sent there specifically to catch her in the act. Ohio is pretty republican, isn't it? I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but . . . it's a conspiracy! Still, you'd think a traveling stripper would inform herself of the laws in each jurisdiction to avoid such issues. She has to know there are those who would like to stick it to her -uh, in a legal sense.
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What specific laws do you think were violated in those interactions?
"which is a bit of a different story"
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OK, weird . . . I guess it wasn't a duplicate?

Anyway, I was just mentioning that Stormy blew through my neighborhood over the 4th and 5th of July. According to the club owner, who I know, it was sparsely attended and he lost quite a bit of money. The patrons that did attend were disappointed that she wasn't as touchy-feely as the regular dancers. The Rio Grande Valley is pretty conservative also. Touching isn't allowed in my city, McAllen, but in the city across the street, Edinburg, it's allowed. Thus, all the strip bars are in Edinburg.

I'd wager that the club in Ohio usually has no problem with touching patrons; it's the norm. Those cops were sent there specifically to catch her in the act. Ohio is pretty republican, isn't it? I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but . . . it's a conspiracy! Still, you'd think a traveling stripper would inform herself of the laws in each jurisdiction to avoid such issues. She has to know there are those who would like to stick it to her -uh, in a legal sense.
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I think that LTC8K6 was quite specific that Stormy Daniels was lucky that none of the victims brought sexual assault allegations.
Yes, until I read the affidavit and said: "which is a bit of a different story"...
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Franklin County Ohio voted 61% for Hillary, 35% for Trump.
But how did this police department vote.
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I think that LTC8K6 was quite specific that Stormy Daniels was lucky that none of the victims brought sexual assault allegations.
Lucky? Nobody even complained. There wasn't a single mention in that report that any patron had an issue with it at all. No one approached the officers, no one brought it up, etc.

Isn't it a little odd to have 4 police officers in a strip club? I don't know this area but I lived in Fargo, ND. One of the most conservative places in America. I never even saw a cop permanently at our strip club, let alone 4.

Stormy broke the law, got arrested, and is now paying for what she did. No complaints here. It appears everything is working as designed.

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Why didn't the manager (or anyone working there) quickly intervene by telling Stormy that what she is doing is illegal?

Is there some missing part of the story where this kind of thing happens all the time at this club and nobody complains and the law is overlooked and unenforced?
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