The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part II - Page 2

halleyscomet · 30th September 2016, 01:39 PM

I was looking up resources that might be of use to the folks in this thread and I found something I think Bjarne can tackle AND possibly use it to test his theories. It's simple instructions for a rig to, well, I'll let the text speak for itself:

Testing the Speed-of-Light Conspiracy

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There are a number of ways to measure the speed of light. If you’ve got an oscilloscope and a few spare parts, you can build your own apparatus for just a few bucks. Don’t believe the “lies” that “they” tell you: measure it yourself!

Dancing David · 30th September 2016, 02:51 PM

I like the one where you measure the speed of light with chocolate and a microwave

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fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

And as I wrote, the IIS and Galileo time dilation anomalies, will force you to think different.. It's only the starting Gun.. A new paradigm is coming sooner as you think

Nope!

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Periods with inclination more or less aligned relative to DFA axis, make the orbit extreme elliptical.
Inclination periods more less perpendicular relative to DFA axis have the oppesite effect.
How fast the inclination can change, depend on 1.) speed og the object 2.) motion of the Sun and even the galaxy
But Hans this is all much to complecated for at left brain half.
So beforehand I give up to explian you further.

Really, no!!!

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Time, - time ,- is the keyword here
Sedna is SLOW'
Therefore the DFA impact on Sedna is SLOW too

OK ?

Really it is not - you are wrong.

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

I read som time ago (but forgot where) that there is also a seasonal anomaly in the data, of the Pioneer Anomaly - do someone remember...
There are some important points here

Actually, there is not even one - as has heretofor been noted to assist you in your chosen mission.........

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

The new theory solves both these anomalies / problems too

Actually, it does not, but good, though completely wrong, try!!!!!

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Really? Do explain. Preferably in some detail. Don't be afraid to supply some math.

Hans

That will not happen unless at the hands of someone sharing this false assumption set but having a minimal set of math skills !!!!!

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

I think you 7 times told me, - that if there was any science I did not understood, everybody was willing to help.
I guess you mean only the brainwashed part right ?

Not aspect where observation is conflicting with the brainwashed aspect of "science" I believe?

Real science has no brainwashing - it is real and well tested and anyone who can legitimately show otherwise will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world. You tend to make your way best only by proving your abilities and knowledge.

Observation is how real science starts, followed by thorough experimentation and checks by others in the field. It also helps if you were in a graduate level program with a lead who was very well established in the field. If not, you have no chance of being /having your beliefs accepted because you lack the background and experimental experience - and the access to materials and needed expertise to assist your appropriate doctorate or two in a field related to this discussion, feel free to prove same. If not, do not expect to have your claims accepted!!!

MRC_Hans · 2nd October 2016, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

That will not happen unless at the hands of someone sharing this false assumption set but having a minimal set of math skills !!!!!

Which, unfortunately, is a combination rather unlikely to exist.

... Or, perhaps fortunately.

Hans

fuelair · 2nd October 2016, 10:04 AM

Toot rue!!!!!

Bjarne · 2nd November 2016, 02:41 PM

New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter

https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com

Dancing David · 2nd November 2016, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter

https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com

"However, "if you look at high-precision measurements of the large-scale structure of the universe and how the cosmos has evolved to the present day, the entire picture of cosmology all hangs together much better with dark matter than with MOND," Loeb said. "It gives us confidence that Einstein's theory of gravity works, and that nothing unusual like MOND is needed.""

From your source

Reality Check · 2nd November 2016, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter

https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com

Is this about your delusions for the Galileo satellites? No

!
Is this about your delusions for the ISS experiment that you still are ignorant about? No

!
Does it have anything to do with SR or GR being wrong? Not at all

!

This is an "old" (5 weeks!) article about the The Radial Acceleration Relation in Rotationally Supported Galaxies paper.

Stacy McGaugh is an advocate of modified GR as an explanation for dark matter. IOW GR is right but needs a tweak to explain the observations for dark matter.

This empirical relation was a problem for 20 year old simulations of dark matter in galaxies. But what if we run a modern simulation that includes more understanding of galaxy dynamics? The first results are that galaxies + dark matter also follow this relationship: Physicists Beat Yet Another Challenge To Dark Matter's Existence
Not quite "beaten" because the simulation in La Fin du MOND? Λ CDM is Fully Consistent with SPARC Acceleration Law is for a small sample of galaxies with a much smaller range of masses.

halleyscomet · 2nd November 2016, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter

https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com

RussDill · 2nd November 2016, 05:27 PM

Oh don't worry, this thread will rise again before the end of 2017 when relativity begins to fall apart.

halleyscomet · 3rd November 2016, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by RussDill

Oh don't worry, this thread will rise again before the end of 2017 when relativity begins to fall apart.

Is the thread a zombie or a litch?

halleyscomet · 3rd November 2016, 06:43 AM

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Border Reiver · 3rd November 2016, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Is the thread a zombie or a litch?

Liche - at least that's what my Monster Manual says.

halleyscomet · 3rd November 2016, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Border Reiver

Liche - at least that's what my Monster Manual says.

Damn, and it's too late to correct the error in my post. Apparently "Lich" is also a valid spelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lich

Maartenn100 · 9th November 2016, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Real science has no brainwashing - it is real and well tested and anyone who can legitimately show otherwise will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world. You tend to make your way best only by proving your abilities and knowledge.

Observation is how real science starts, followed by thorough experimentation and checks by others in the field. It also helps if you were in a graduate level program with a lead who was very well established in the field. If not, you have no chance of being /having your beliefs accepted because you lack the background and experimental experience - and the access to materials and needed expertise to assist your appropriate doctorate or two in a field related to this discussion, feel free to prove same. If not, do not expect to have your claims accepted!!!

Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea?
Why do you have to be member of a (scientific) community and follow its protocols, to prove your point?

Being right has everything to do with true premisses, valid logical reasoning and therefore true conclusion.
To follow a protocol dictated by a scientific community is not a crucial criterium to have a good theory to explain the facts.

Being part of the social network, called 'the scientific community' and follow its strict procedures can limit your freedom to think a problem through on your own terms.

Reality Check · 9th November 2016, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Maartenn100

Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea?

You did not quite understand what was written, Maartenn100.
"Real science is not brainwashing" means that real science includes teaching people how to think for themselves so that they can evaluate the arguments and evidence for themselves.

People who can show that the evidence for science is wrong "will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world" because testing theories to see if they are wrong is a fundamental part of science. This is what Internet physics cranks cannot do.

There are no overall "strict procedures" for the scientific community. There are accepted standards, e.g. a paper published in a high impact, peer reviewed journal is probably valid. There are standards for writing scientific papers.

Wolrab · 11th November 2016, 03:20 AM

I finally have the proof that relativity is falling apart. I drive quite a bit for work and sometimes I drive fast and change elevation as there are hills. On Monday November 7th, the clock in my car was fully one hour ahead of my home computer's clock. Now, I know I wasn't driving that fast. Case closed.

halleyscomet · 11th November 2016, 08:32 AM

MRC_Hans · 11th November 2016, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Maartenn100

Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea?

Oh, but it is. The trick is proving the validity of your arguments.

Quote:

Why do you have to be member of a (scientific) community and follow its protocols, to prove your point?

You don't. However, standard protocols are recommended, because they are known to work.

Quote:

Being right has everything to do with true premises, valid logical reasoning and therefore true conclusion.

Well, you left out the most important thing: Evidence.

Hans

crhkrebs · 20th November 2016, 11:51 AM

So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"?

http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/Emerg...Food_s/104.htm

Not only do you get delicious pantry products but you get an unending supply of tin foil. Just the way to survive the upcoming physics collapse. I just wish Bjarne would nail down the date a bit better. Is it 2016 or 2017? The construction Forman wants to know.

MRC_Hans · 20th November 2016, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by crhkrebs

So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"?

The theory of relativity cannot fail. The phenomenon it describes have been objectively proved to exist. ... There might be a theory that explains them even better, but reality will stay ... reality. Only our understanding will change.

As for the stuff there, well ... Before you purchase a year's worth of supplies, check that your shelter's toilet capacity matches it. Otherwise you will be in ... deep ****.

Hans

CORed · 21st November 2016, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by crhkrebs

So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"?

http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/Emerg...Food_s/104.htm

Not only do you get delicious pantry products but you get an unending supply of tin foil. Just the way to survive the upcoming physics collapse. I just wish Bjarne would nail down the date a bit better. Is it 2016 or 2017? The construction Forman wants to know.

I would guess that within a few months, the date will move to 2018.

Reality Check · 21st November 2016, 12:59 PM

The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010.

halleyscomet · 21st November 2016, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010.

Oh, there's a lot more than that making the thread title ignorant.

halleyscomet · 22nd November 2016, 08:54 AM

Relativity and the Lovecraft connection.

H.P. Lovecraft and the phantom planet

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But what of the mystery of Vulcan, and the unexplained motion of Mercury that led to its hypothesis? Here also there is a connection to Lovecraft. In 1915, Albert Einstein introduced his relativistic theory of gravity, known as the general theory of relativity, and showed that this theory precisely predicts the anomalous behavior of Mercury as observed. It was not a new planet that was needed to explain Mercury’s motion, but a new theory of gravity. Einstein’s theory is now of fundamental importance to our understanding of the universe as a whole, the study of cosmology. As already mentioned, Lovecraft would take Einstein’s theory — which describes gravity as a curvature of space and time — and worked it into his descriptions of the nightmarish city of R’lyeh.

Wolrab · 23rd November 2016, 05:01 AM

Go on and keep denying fantasy and see what will happen.

wea · 5th February 2017, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

A new paradigm is coming sooner as you think

Has it fallen apart yet? (I don't want to miss the event)

Squeegee Beckenheim · 5th February 2017, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010.

If that timeline is accurate, then it definitely proves that time-manipulation is real.

halleyscomet · 5th February 2017, 01:06 PM

Lukraak_Sisser · 6th February 2017, 02:36 AM

Well, it has to be kept 'alive' for a bit, only 11 more months.

Unless of course we get a 'well it fell apart, but THEY are keeping it hidden because of reasons'

Darat · 15th February 2017, 05:31 AM

I've just kicked the tyres and ran it around the block, seems fine to me.

Beady · 15th February 2017, 10:35 AM

That's "tires," dammit!

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wollery · 15th February 2017, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Beady

That's "tires," dammit!

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Yes, it can be rather exhausting.

Dancing David · 15th February 2017, 11:59 AM

Don't labour too hard, I hope you find safe harbour!

30th September 2016, 01:39 PM	#41
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	I was looking up resources that might be of use to the folks in this thread and I found something I think Bjarne can tackle AND possibly use it to test his theories. It's simple instructions for a rig to, well, I'll let the text speak for itself: Testing the Speed-of-Light Conspiracy Quote: There are a number of ways to measure the speed of light. If you’ve got an oscilloscope and a few spare parts, you can build your own apparatus for just a few bucks. Don’t believe the “lies” that “they” tell you: measure it yourself!
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2nd October 2016, 12:46 AM	#43
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne And as I wrote, the IIS and Galileo time dilation anomalies, will force you to think different.. It's only the starting Gun.. A new paradigm is coming sooner as you think Nope!
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2nd October 2016, 12:47 AM	#44
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne Periods with inclination more or less aligned relative to DFA axis, make the orbit extreme elliptical. Inclination periods more less perpendicular relative to DFA axis have the oppesite effect. How fast the inclination can change, depend on 1.) speed og the object 2.) motion of the Sun and even the galaxy But Hans this is all much to complecated for at left brain half. So beforehand I give up to explian you further. Really, no!!!
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2nd October 2016, 12:48 AM	#45
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne Time, - time ,- is the keyword here Sedna is SLOW' Therefore the DFA impact on Sedna is SLOW too OK ? Really it is not - you are wrong.
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2nd October 2016, 12:50 AM	#46
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne I read som time ago (but forgot where) that there is also a seasonal anomaly in the data, of the Pioneer Anomaly - do someone remember... There are some important points here Actually, there is not even one - as has heretofor been noted to assist you in your chosen mission.........
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2nd October 2016, 12:52 AM	#47
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne The new theory solves both these anomalies / problems too Actually, it does not, but good, though completely wrong, try!!!!!
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2nd October 2016, 12:55 AM	#48
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Really? Do explain. Preferably in some detail. Don't be afraid to supply some math. Hans That will not happen unless at the hands of someone sharing this false assumption set but having a minimal set of math skills !!!!!
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	__________________ There is no problem so great that it cannot be fixed by small explosives carefully placed. Wash this space! We fight for the Lady Babylon!!!

2nd October 2016, 01:09 AM	#49
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Originally Posted by Bjarne I think you 7 times told me, - that if there was any science I did not understood, everybody was willing to help. I guess you mean only the brainwashed part right ? Not aspect where observation is conflicting with the brainwashed aspect of "science" I believe? Real science has no brainwashing - it is real and well tested and anyone who can legitimately show otherwise will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world. You tend to make your way best only by proving your abilities and knowledge. Observation is how real science starts, followed by thorough experimentation and checks by others in the field. It also helps if you were in a graduate level program with a lead who was very well established in the field. If not, you have no chance of being /having your beliefs accepted because you lack the background and experimental experience - and the access to materials and needed expertise to assist your appropriate doctorate or two in a field related to this discussion, feel free to prove same. If not, do not expect to have your claims accepted!!!
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2nd October 2016, 03:49 AM	#50
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 21,711	Originally Posted by fuelair That will not happen unless at the hands of someone sharing this false assumption set but having a minimal set of math skills !!!!! Which, unfortunately, is a combination rather unlikely to exist. ... Or, perhaps fortunately. Hans
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2nd October 2016, 10:04 AM	#51
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,992	Toot rue!!!!!
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2nd November 2016, 02:41 PM	#52
Bjarne Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,178	New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com
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2nd November 2016, 02:53 PM	#53
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central Illinois Posts: 39,383	Originally Posted by Bjarne New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com "However, "if you look at high-precision measurements of the large-scale structure of the universe and how the cosmos has evolved to the present day, the entire picture of cosmology all hangs together much better with dark matter than with MOND," Loeb said. "It gives us confidence that Einstein's theory of gravity works, and that nothing unusual like MOND is needed."" From your source
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2nd November 2016, 03:10 PM	#54
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,670	Originally Posted by Bjarne New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com Is this about your delusions for the Galileo satellites? No ! Is this about your delusions for the ISS experiment that you still are ignorant about? No ! Does it have anything to do with SR or GR being wrong? Not at all ! This is an "old" (5 weeks!) article about the The Radial Acceleration Relation in Rotationally Supported Galaxies paper. Stacy McGaugh is an advocate of modified GR as an explanation for dark matter. IOW GR is right but needs a tweak to explain the observations for dark matter. This empirical relation was a problem for 20 year old simulations of dark matter in galaxies. But what if we run a modern simulation that includes more understanding of galaxy dynamics? The first results are that galaxies + dark matter also follow this relationship: Physicists Beat Yet Another Challenge To Dark Matter's Existence Not quite "beaten" because the simulation in La Fin du MOND? Λ CDM is Fully Consistent with SPARC Acceleration Law is for a small sample of galaxies with a much smaller range of masses.
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2nd November 2016, 03:48 PM	#55
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	Originally Posted by Bjarne New Findings Muddy Understanding Of Dark Matter https://www.insidescience.org/news/n...earscience.com
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2nd November 2016, 05:27 PM	#56
RussDill Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Charleston Posts: 5,426	Oh don't worry, this thread will rise again before the end of 2017 when relativity begins to fall apart.
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3rd November 2016, 04:44 AM	#57
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	Originally Posted by RussDill Oh don't worry, this thread will rise again before the end of 2017 when relativity begins to fall apart. Is the thread a zombie or a litch?
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3rd November 2016, 06:47 AM	#59
Border Reiver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 6,566	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Is the thread a zombie or a litch? Liche - at least that's what my Monster Manual says.
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3rd November 2016, 06:52 AM	#60
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	Originally Posted by Border Reiver Liche - at least that's what my Monster Manual says. Damn, and it's too late to correct the error in my post. Apparently "Lich" is also a valid spelling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lich
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9th November 2016, 07:33 PM	#61
Maartenn100 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,082	Originally Posted by fuelair Real science has no brainwashing - it is real and well tested and anyone who can legitimately show otherwise will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world. You tend to make your way best only by proving your abilities and knowledge. Observation is how real science starts, followed by thorough experimentation and checks by others in the field. It also helps if you were in a graduate level program with a lead who was very well established in the field. If not, you have no chance of being /having your beliefs accepted because you lack the background and experimental experience - and the access to materials and needed expertise to assist your appropriate doctorate or two in a field related to this discussion, feel free to prove same. If not, do not expect to have your claims accepted!!! Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea? Why do you have to be member of a (scientific) community and follow its protocols, to prove your point? Being right has everything to do with true premisses, valid logical reasoning and therefore true conclusion. To follow a protocol dictated by a scientific community is not a crucial criterium to have a good theory to explain the facts. Being part of the social network, called 'the scientific community' and follow its strict procedures can limit your freedom to think a problem through on your own terms.
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9th November 2016, 08:41 PM	#62
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,670	Originally Posted by Maartenn100 Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea? You did not quite understand what was written, Maartenn100. "Real science is not brainwashing" means that real science includes teaching people how to think for themselves so that they can evaluate the arguments and evidence for themselves. People who can show that the evidence for science is wrong "will certainly find employment and acceptance in the scientific world" because testing theories to see if they are wrong is a fundamental part of science. This is what Internet physics cranks cannot do. There are no overall "strict procedures" for the scientific community. There are accepted standards, e.g. a paper published in a high impact, peer reviewed journal is probably valid. There are standards for writing scientific papers.
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11th November 2016, 03:20 AM	#63
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,424	I finally have the proof that relativity is falling apart. I drive quite a bit for work and sometimes I drive fast and change elevation as there are hills. On Monday November 7th, the clock in my car was fully one hour ahead of my home computer's clock. Now, I know I wasn't driving that fast. Case closed.
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11th November 2016, 08:32 AM	#64
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163
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11th November 2016, 08:48 AM	#65
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 21,711	Originally Posted by Maartenn100 Why is the validity of the arguments not enough to accept an idea? Oh, but it is. The trick is proving the validity of your arguments. Quote: Why do you have to be member of a (scientific) community and follow its protocols, to prove your point? You don't. However, standard protocols are recommended, because they are known to work. Quote: Being right has everything to do with true premises, valid logical reasoning and therefore true conclusion. Well, you left out the most important thing: Evidence. Hans
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20th November 2016, 11:51 AM	#66
crhkrebs Muse Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 548	So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"? http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/Emerg...Food_s/104.htm Not only do you get delicious pantry products but you get an unending supply of tin foil. Just the way to survive the upcoming physics collapse. I just wish Bjarne would nail down the date a bit better. Is it 2016 or 2017? The construction Forman wants to know.
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20th November 2016, 01:31 PM	#67
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 21,711	Originally Posted by crhkrebs So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"? The theory of relativity cannot fail. The phenomenon it describes have been objectively proved to exist. ... There might be a theory that explains them even better, but reality will stay ... reality. Only our understanding will change. As for the stuff there, well ... Before you purchase a year's worth of supplies, check that your shelter's toilet capacity matches it. Otherwise you will be in ... deep ****. Hans
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21st November 2016, 11:03 AM	#68
CORed Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 8,482	Originally Posted by crhkrebs So what happens when the Theory of Relativity fails? Should I dig a bomb shelter and buy supplies from "mypatriotsupply.com"? http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/Emerg...Food_s/104.htm Not only do you get delicious pantry products but you get an unending supply of tin foil. Just the way to survive the upcoming physics collapse. I just wish Bjarne would nail down the date a bit better. Is it 2016 or 2017? The construction Forman wants to know. I would guess that within a few months, the date will move to 2018.

21st November 2016, 12:59 PM	#69
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,670	The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010.
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21st November 2016, 03:26 PM	#70
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	Originally Posted by Reality Check The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010. Oh, there's a lot more than that making the thread title ignorant.
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22nd November 2016, 08:54 AM	#71
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163	Relativity and the Lovecraft connection. H.P. Lovecraft and the phantom planet Quote: But what of the mystery of Vulcan, and the unexplained motion of Mercury that led to its hypothesis? Here also there is a connection to Lovecraft. In 1915, Albert Einstein introduced his relativistic theory of gravity, known as the general theory of relativity, and showed that this theory precisely predicts the anomalous behavior of Mercury as observed. It was not a new planet that was needed to explain Mercury’s motion, but a new theory of gravity. Einstein’s theory is now of fundamental importance to our understanding of the universe as a whole, the study of cosmology. As already mentioned, Lovecraft would take Einstein’s theory — which describes gravity as a curvature of space and time — and worked it into his descriptions of the nightmarish city of R’lyeh.
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23rd November 2016, 05:01 AM	#72
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,424	Go on and keep denying fantasy and see what will happen.
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,424	__________________ "Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov

5th February 2017, 07:04 AM	#73
wea Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: EU Posts: 376	Originally Posted by Bjarne A new paradigm is coming sooner as you think Has it fallen apart yet? (I don't want to miss the event)

5th February 2017, 08:09 AM	#74
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 23,125	Originally Posted by Reality Check The one experiment that we have details about (ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO) makes the thread title ignorant. ACES will launch in August 2017. There will be 6 months of calibration bringing us to February 2018. Then at least a year of data gathering - February 2019. Add a few months to write papers and the earliest we can expect results is the middle of 2019 and it may be 2010. If that timeline is accurate, then it definitely proves that time-manipulation is real.
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5th February 2017, 01:06 PM	#75
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9,163
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6th February 2017, 02:36 AM	#76
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,273	Well, it has to be kept 'alive' for a bit, only 11 more months. Unless of course we get a 'well it fell apart, but THEY are keeping it hidden because of reasons'

15th February 2017, 05:31 AM	#77
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 84,737	I've just kicked the tyres and ran it around the block, seems fine to me.
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