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Old 25th December 2017, 01:15 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post
In doing work, separating the rock from the Earth, some tiny bit of energy is lost; the two scenarios are not quite equal.
I considered adding that little gem involving entropy, but zeroed it out due to small differences in tiny numbers...
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Old 25th December 2017, 01:32 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
We have discussed GPS in weeks, in this thread already, that’s enough.
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An absolutte(sic) reference frame MUST exist.
GPS, as a result of the time dilation which you admit is real, is proof that there IS no absolute reference frame.

We will keep bringing up GPS because it is such a comically easy way to topple the pathetic house of cards you've constructed out of reality denial. Your past responses were, to be kind, a joke.

Why are you so determined to die on this hill anyway? What horse do you have in this race?

Why are you so determined that just because a thing is beyond YOUR comprehension it must therefor be impossible?
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Sunk cost dilemma. Having doubled and perhaps tripled down writing that new stuff mentioned just ain't gonna be conducive to letting go. The whole 'brainwashed' masses/academia shtick is also indicative of a practically complete buy in investment. The cognitive dissonance would just sting like heck to rip off the band aid this endeavor apparently represents. Always another year, some other data or protocol needed or as purported in the recent come back some new easier and faster, well, "choking". So dying on the hill isn't really likely and perhaps even more desirable than the death of the hill.
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Old 25th December 2017, 02:11 PM   #205
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"What makes you think your claimed "acceleration" couldn't have started just a mere 100 million years ago? .
There are no pulling source that close, except off course insane dark matter, and it can't just pop up from nowhere.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Will reach 'C' relative to what?
Relative to an observer in absolutte rest..
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Old 25th December 2017, 02:14 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Bjarne, would you like to reconsider or are you a slow learner?

By the way, 2016 and now 2017 are part of the past and so far, how is that "falling" from the thread title going?
read above, discussed last week
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GPS, as a result of the time dilation which you admit is real, is proof that there IS no absolute reference frame.
Rubbish
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Relative to an observer in absolutte rest..
That is just a little bit silly, Bjarne, because c is provably relative to the observer.

You should try to make claims that are not disproved by observable facts.

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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
There are no pulling source that close, except off course insane dark matter, and it can't just pop up from nowhere.

But in proposing your 19 million year clock starts now as opposed to anytime in the 3.5 billion years prior you are saying your acceleration just 'pooped up' recently. The insanity and crap remain simply yours.

Are you claiming that since there is no "no pulling source that close" that tests won't find any "acceleration" like you suggested?
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
That is just a little bit silly, Bjarne, because c is provably relative to the observer.

You should try to make claims that are not disproved by observable facts.

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I can't recall the claims ever being anywhere near just a little bit silly.
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
There are no pulling source that close, except off course insane dark matter, and it can't just pop up from nowhere.
The fact that you don't understand it is not evidence that it's not true.

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Rubbish
And therein lies the core of the problem. Your entire thesis consists of you arguing that your own personal failure to understand something means the thing is impossible. You haven't thought though the implications of what you're claming.

How can you have BOTH an absolute frame of reference AND time dilation? Explain it.
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Relative to an observer in absolutte rest..
What is 'absolute rest'?

Where would this observer be?
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
The fact that you don't understand it is not evidence that it's not true.
Well don't forget Bjarne has some kind of "dark flow" that apparently he feels is less insane than dark mater while apparently ignoring his own sated "DFA" terminal velocity.
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And what about the Bull and the BS

There's a lot of it about.
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Absolutely.

He throws it to Absolutely?
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
read above, discussed last week
Is this as founded as your other assertions?

And

are your replies now reduced to one-liners?
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Relative to an observer in absolutte rest..
That is, an absolute frame of reference in disguise.

Could you provide information about the movements one Newyorker taking a nap is doing now according to such frame of reference?
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I considered adding that little gem involving entropy, but zeroed it out due to small differences in tiny numbers...
The two scenarios mentioned embody only tiny numbers. Very tiny. I suggest the tiny gem of entropy is as relevant as any other tiny number associated with them.
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
That is just a little bit silly, Bjarne, because c is provably relative to the observer.
You should try to make claims that are not disproved by observable facts.
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And it still is, also in the new theory
Simple because the ruler is a propotional relativistic variant.
The point is that the faster absolute speed, the longer ruler.
The local observer will not see that, but an absolute observer will
So it all is almost business as usual, also even though the rules are changes.

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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
And it still is, also in the new theory
Simple because the ruler is a propotional relativistic variant.
The point is that the faster absolute speed, the longer ruler.
The local observer will not see that, but an absolute observer will
So it all is almost business as usual, also even though the rules are changes.


So basically it’s Relativity with a few name changes and the pretense of an absolute observer that isn’t actually part of the theory except as special pleading.

And you’re wasting your time promoting this semantic balderdash because...?
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But in proposing your 19 million year clock starts now as opposed to anytime in the 3.5 billion years prior you are saying your acceleration just 'pooped up' recently. The insanity and crap remain simply yours.

Are you claiming that since there is no "no pulling source that close" that tests won't find any "acceleration" like you suggested?
I wonder how it is possible to have got me that much wrong.
I am saying that the pulling force is central ADG of our own universe; this is the cause of dark flow and DFA.

Big Crunch’s trigger Big Bang's, in endless cycles, exactly like some huge supernovas constantly collapses / explodes in endless circles.

Right now a Big Crunch happens. This will trigger Big Bangs, - not one but many.

The dark energy rubbish is nothing but change of background gravity. The opposite of “gravity” (release of absorbed space”) … Which mean constantly change of the tension in space / in the universe.
Therefore cosmological redshift is evidence, showing that our ruler shrinks, nothing more than this, not oppesite, the universe is not expanding..
The expanding illusion is caused by matter is brought away from a gravitational field when tension of space is released. Like boats brought away by the tidal ..

After a (many) big Bang the elastic tension of space is released, and as a result the ruler everywhere, shrinks, - and time ticks faster.
A Big Crunch will sooner or later again (after re-creation of matter) cause increasing tension to dominate.
However because of the Universe is so big , these two oppesite processes takes a huge amount of time, to reach all "edges" of the universe.

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How can you have BOTH an absolute frame of reference AND time dilation? Explain it.
Remember that the theory of relativity is based mainly on the Lorentz equations.
Already before the theory of relativity, in the late 1800 century, - we knew that time dilation and distance abbreviation was a result of these equations.

The first one trying to make sense of what in the late 1800 was “mathematical nonsense” - was Albert Einstein.
He tried to translate an already known strange mathematical language to human imagination and understanding.
But he got some few points seriously wrong.

Einstein did not understood that space have the ability to “absorb” energy. Therefore, he failed to understand (even abstract) how matter and space was connected, and he ended up with the concept “curvature of space” – which no one ever have understood what really is.
Einstein did not understood how kinetic energy is absorbed by space, and therefore he constructed a universe without an absolute motion reference frame,- that contains a lot of contradictory illogical nonsense, student just have to accept.
Einstein had to do it all so unnecessary complicated, because he have to compensate for the mathematical problem caused by the fact that the ruler is a variant, - he did not understood that simple point, and therefore derailed his own theory out in Jens peters Jensen’s plowed field.

This is not meaning the end of the relativity; rather a significant modification is necessary. Einsteins train you certainly have to bring to the scrap yard.

Still the underlying mathematics is the same, except it is not and never distances that is changing, it is the ruler, and therefore distances is only measured differently by different observers.

Keep it cool & simple; - Relativity is now ONLY about “reality transformation” , - contradictory illogical nonsense is no longer necessary.

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And nowhere have you demonstrated that potential energy increases mass.

Burden to you Bjarne
Its a mathematical fact, - E =M^c2 .
Bjarne, which units are you getting from the right side or the equal sign?
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Remember that the theory of relativity is based mainly on the Lorentz equations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_system
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In 1963, Edward Lorenz developed a simplified mathematical model for atmospheric convection.[1] The model is a system of three ordinary differential equations now known as the Lorenz equations:
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Just a loose term for Lorentz transformation.

Unlike real science and in the most pure style of forum brawling, Bjarne isn't curbed by any rigour; not even by making any sense.
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The first one trying to make sense of what in the late 1800 was “mathematical nonsense” - was Albert Einstein.
He tried to translate an already known strange mathematical language to human imagination and understanding.
But he got some few points seriously wrong.

Einstein did not understood that space have the ability to “absorb” energy. Therefore, he failed to understand (even abstract) how matter and space was connected,
Einstein summarized his understanding of that connection by writing Rμν - ½Rgμν = 8πGc-4Tμν

That equation explained the precession of Mercury's perihelion and predicted quite a few other things that were both counter-intuitive and possible to test, including gravitational lensing, the Shapiro time delay, gravitational redshift, gravitational waves, and cosmic microwave background radiation.

Those experimental tests count as evidence for Einstein's understanding of the connection between matter and space, and as evidence against Bjarne's "understanding" of that connection.

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and he ended up with the concept “curvature of space” – which no one ever have understood what really is.
When Bjarne says no one ever understood that concept, what he really means is that Bjarne himself never understood it.

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And nowhere have you demonstrated that potential energy increases mass.

Burden to you Bjarne
Its a mathematical fact, - E =M^c2 .
Bjarne, which units are you getting from the right side or the equal sign?



Bjarne's "mathematical fact", E = Mc2, does not make any sense at all, mathematical or physical. Bjarne was presumably trying to write Einstein's E = mc2.
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And it still is, also in the new theory
Simple because the ruler is a propotional relativistic variant.
The point is that the faster absolute speed, the longer ruler.
The local observer will not see that, but an absolute observer will
So it all is almost business as usual, also even though the rules are changes.

No, the observer at rest observes length contracted in the moving body. The observer at rest remains at rest with their own rulers so they never change for them. Since both are moving relative to each other, each sees the others length as contracted. No one sees the others rulers as "longer". You are mixing reference frames where the person at rest might say their rulers are "longer" than those of the moving body and even getting that wrong by asserting the rulers of the moving body get "longer". Again, please stop with the crap, since it spews from you.
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So basically it’s Relativity with a few name changes and the pretense of an absolute observer that isn’t actually part of the theory except as special pleading.

And you’re wasting your time promoting this semantic balderdash because...?

Nope, relativity says no such thing as what Bjarne claimed.
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what's that new theory Simple(ton?) that bjarne is talking about?

where's that theory clearly and thoroughly enunciated?
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I wonder how it is possible to have got me that much wrong.
I am saying that the pulling force is central ADG of our own universe; this is the cause of dark flow and DFA.
OK, great so now that is some 14 billion years that have passed. Everything would have reached your terminal velocity, well, 14 billion years ago. If you get nothing right in what you assert no one else can get anything but the wrong you exude.



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Big Crunch’s trigger Big Bang's, in endless cycles, exactly like some huge supernovas constantly collapses / explodes in endless circles.

Right now a Big Crunch happens. This will trigger Big Bangs, - not one but many.

The dark energy rubbish is nothing but change of background gravity. The opposite of “gravity” (release of absorbed space”) … Which mean constantly change of the tension in space / in the universe.
Therefore cosmological redshift is evidence, showing that our ruler shrinks, nothing more than this, not oppesite, the universe is not expanding..
The expanding illusion is caused by matter is brought away from a gravitational field when tension of space is released. Like boats brought away by the tidal ..

After a (many) big Bang the elastic tension of space is released, and as a result the ruler everywhere, shrinks, - and time ticks faster.
A Big Crunch will sooner or later again (after re-creation of matter) cause increasing tension to dominate.
However because of the Universe is so big , these two oppesite processes takes a huge amount of time, to reach all "edges" of the universe.
Again, please just stop with the crap. That you just pull it from your arse is clear to everyone. Even you, as you assert no basis other than your own assertions and simply hope to find some data you can just claim as corroboratory rather than working form established data or principles.
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The two scenarios mentioned embody only tiny numbers. Very tiny. I suggest the tiny gem of entropy is as relevant as any other tiny number associated with them.
which is another way of saying that every nano-erg counts in the long scheme of things?
Absolutely ( sorry!). Reality says that things are asymptotic to zero; practicality dictates that "you gotta draw a line somewhere"
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what's that new theory Simple(ton?) that bjarne is talking about?

where's that theory clearly and thoroughly enunciated?
Basically, Bjarne right, everyone else brainwashed. Hoping for a clear and thorough enunciation would be a long wait because Bjarne demonstrably simply doesn't know what he is talking about (relativity) and doesn't seem interested in leaning what he is talking about.
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Old 26th December 2017, 07:47 AM   #234
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Basically, Bjarne right, everyone else brainwashed. Hoping for a clear and thorough enunciation would be a long wait because Bjarne demonstrably simply doesn't know what he is talking about (relativity) and doesn't seem interested in leaning what he is talking about.
So, Bjarne is just another salesman trying to attract attention, with a product he doesn't know.
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Remember that the theory of relativity is based mainly on the Lorentz equations.
Already before the theory of relativity, in the late 1800 century, - we knew that time dilation and distance abbreviation was a result of these equations.
No, relativity is based mainly on Galilean relativity, the local consistency of the speed of light and the inability to establish motion other than relative to something else. Hence the name Relativity. Coordinate differences are not a result of the transformation equations but of the coordinate system chosen.


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The first one trying to make sense of what in the late 1800 was “mathematical nonsense” - was Albert Einstein.
He tried to translate an already known strange mathematical language to human imagination and understanding.
But he got some few points seriously wrong.

Einstein did not understood that space have the ability to “absorb” energy. Therefore, he failed to understand (even abstract) how matter and space was connected, and he ended up with the concept “curvature of space” – which no one ever have understood what really is.
Einstein did not understood how kinetic energy is absorbed by space, and therefore he constructed a universe without an absolute motion reference frame,- that contains a lot of contradictory illogical nonsense, student just have to accept.
Einstein had to do it all so unnecessary complicated, because he have to compensate for the mathematical problem caused by the fact that the ruler is a variant, - he did not understood that simple point, and therefore derailed his own theory out in Jens peters Jensen’s plowed field.

This is not meaning the end of the relativity; rather a significant modification is necessary. Einsteins train you certainly have to bring to the scrap yard.

Still the underlying mathematics is the same, except it is not and never distances that is changing, it is the ruler, and therefore distances is only measured differently by different observers.

Keep it cool & simple; - Relativity is now ONLY about “reality transformation” , - contradictory illogical nonsense is no longer necessary.
None of it was “mathematical nonsense” even in the late 1800s and Einstein explicitly used the mathematical sense made by Minkowski, Poincaré, Maxwell and others. Henri Poincaré even beat Einstein to the punch with a relativity principle (however still including the luminiferous aether) earlier in 1905. That it evidently makes no sense to you certainly doesn't make it “mathematical nonsense” to anyone but you, even in the late 1800s.



Seriously, do you ever tire of just pulling crap from your arse?

For those that want the actual history of special relativity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ial_relativity
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So, Bjarne is just another salesman trying to attract attention, with a product he doesn't know.
Yep, and even a rather crappy salesman as the BS is just spewed everywhere.
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I've just found he withdrew his article, the one in the OP on this long-winded thread.
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OK, perhaps he is learning and disencraping his shtick, though I suspect not.
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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
Einstein summarized his understanding of that connection by writing Rμν - ½Rgμν = 8πGc-4Tμν

That equation explained the precession of Mercury's perihelion and predicted quite a few other things that were both counter-intuitive and possible to test, including gravitational lensing, the Shapiro time delay, gravitational redshift, gravitational waves, and cosmic microwave background radiation.

Those experimental tests count as evidence for Einstein's understanding of the connection between matter and space, and as evidence against Bjarne's "understanding" of that connection.
Perihelion anomalies
Motion away from DFA will decelerate an object, - such object will get the loss of kinetic energy back when it again moves/accelerate against DFA.
The magnitude of the orbit anomaly that influence will cause depend on the orbit inclination relative to DFA.
Here you have the cause of perihelion anomalies in general, its simply causes by what this theory also call EDFA (Effective Dark Flow Acceleration")
Think about, - ONLY one day of measurement near arctic, - can CONFIRM DFA Once and for all.
That day you do not need more crap to explain or understand perihelion anomalies. - Its simply cause by a DFA (the precession-magnitude depend on a planets inclination relative to the DFA direction) - all very easy to grasp..

Cosmological redshift
is not cause by " a photon fighting itself out of a gravitational field" - but simply due to that the tension of space is stronger deeper inside a gravitational field. Whereby the photon is emitted in a different / stretched / environment. Such photon is "born" redshiftet, and in the end of the day this is why black holes are black. Light is when extreme effected by gravity, - emitted as radio waves.

Gravitational lensing
is also cause by the elastic tension of space. Gravity is stretching the tension of space I don’t see any disagreement at that point.

Shapiro time delay
is cause by local time dilation.

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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
Einstein summarized his understanding of that connection by writing Rμν - ½Rgμν = 8πGc-4Tμν

That equation explained the precession of Mercury's perihelion and predicted quite a few other things that were both counter-intuitive and possible to test, including gravitational lensing, the Shapiro time delay, gravitational redshift, gravitational waves, and cosmic microwave background radiation.

Those experimental tests count as evidence for Einstein's understanding of the connection between matter and space, and as evidence against Bjarne's "understanding" of that connection.


When Bjarne says no one ever understood that concept, what he really means is that Bjarne himself never understood it.





Bjarne's "mathematical fact", E = Mc2, does not make any sense at all, mathematical or physical. Bjarne was presumably trying to write Einstein's E = mc2.

Not only that, W.D.Clinger, as I'm sure you know, the full equation is E2=M2c4 + P2c2. When talking about a falling rock the momentum (P) part can't be eliminated.

Naturally Bjarne seems to be confusing invariant or rest mass (the M) with relativistic mass (the E divided by c2). Even with the addition of momentum (P) M doesn't change but E divided by c2 does.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_i...ial_relativity
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