[Moderated] Stormy Daniels sues the President Part II - Page 3

logger · 9th May 2018, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

The Russian company claims it hired Cohen as a consultant “regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures.”

Good thing they didn't claim they hired him for legal work, because then Cohen would have had to name them in court, correct?

Except its being claimed the company isn’t Russian?

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen?

This is getting interesting!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049

Yep. Already presented to judge wood.

Bad day for michael.

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen?

This is getting interesting!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049

Hardly. Avenatti produced what are SARs. These are Suspicious Activity Reports. Banks have to submit them for unusual transactions. They are maintained in the SAR database. Thousands of people have access.

What is far far more important is the content and what it shows. Something tells me that a full examination of Cohen's banking will show enough criminality to put Cohen away for decades. That is if he doesn't sing.

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

I wait in vain for you to say anything correct about the practice of law.

Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain.

plague311 · 9th May 2018, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain.

Why do you keep saying pro hac vice like it's some scary, or aggressive term? Care to explain to everyone what it means? Just curious.

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tyr_13 · 9th May 2018, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen?

This is getting interesting!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049

Not according to the companies who made payments to Cohen, and confirm they did indeed make payments to the Cohen in this case.

tyr_13 · 9th May 2018, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Except its being claimed the company isn’t Russian?

It's being claimed, but so? It's the US branch of a Russian oligarch's company.

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

It's being claimed, but so? It's the US branch of a Russian oligarch's company.

This is like Amazon saying it isn't a Seattle company because it's incorporated in Deleware.

Fast Eddie B · 9th May 2018, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Not according to the companies who made payments to Cohen, and confirm they did indeed make payments to the Cohen in this case.

It smacks of “anomaly hunting”.

Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by or to a different Michael Cohen.

It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true.

And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual.

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

It smacks of “anomaly hunting”.

Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by a different Michael Cohen.

It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true.

And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual.

Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally.

He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions.

BobTheCoward · 9th May 2018, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally.

He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions.

Proof that he obtained them illegally?

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally.

He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions.

WOW! You'd be dangerous if you had a clue. Avenatti is wiping the floor with Trump and his morons. Innocent people LMAO.

Random · 9th May 2018, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally.

He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions.

Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis...

tyr_13 · 9th May 2018, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Random

Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis...

The Novartis initial confirmation was especially funny as it essentially said that the relationship had ended by the time the new CEO took over Novartis, not even trying to defend the relationship.

tyr_13 · 9th May 2018, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

It smacks of “anomaly hunting”.

Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by a different Michael Cohen.

It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true.

And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual.

They play up anything less than statements of absolute certainty as being indicative of dishonesty rather than an acknowledgement of the possibility of mistakes. That way when they tell the most obvious lies, they can cite their vehement insistence as supporting evidence in and of itself.

Trebuchet · 9th May 2018, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

The Novartis initial confirmation was especially funny as it essentially said that the relationship had ended by the time the new CEO took over Novartis, not even trying to defend the relationship.

Indeed, Novartis basically has said they got conned by Cohen, realized it after the first meeting, but had to let the contract run out. In the US there'd be shareholder lawsuit already filed.

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Random

Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis...

Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion.

The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.)

Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in.

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion.

The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.)

Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in.

You're so desperate. Avenatti keeps kicking Trump's ass all over the floor and you keep sticking up for that sleazeball and his criminal lawyer.

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain.

Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points.

By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY.

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf

I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law.

Foolmewunz · 9th May 2018, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion.

The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.)

Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in.

Getting your news from logger, now? Please show the class where Avenatti is under Treasury Dept. investigation.

Wait....! Let me cue up "Mr. Bojangles" so we can all enjoy the tap dance.

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points.

By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY.

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf

I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law.

Are there ANY pending disciplinary proceedings against Michael Avenatti? No, would be the correct answer.

Cain · 9th May 2018, 07:45 PM

There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way.

The Big Dog · 9th May 2018, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

We know all of those things

here is yet another link to the article about Thirsty's latest three ring circus

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.4af43931e391

Basic info here.

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Getting your news from logger, now? Please show the class where Avenatti is under Treasury Dept. investigation.

Wait....! Let me cue up "Mr. Bojangles" so we can all enjoy the tap dance.

From wapo. Enjoy the music while you read up on the article I have linked several times in this thread.

logger · 9th May 2018, 07:52 PM

Foolmewunz it’s in this one too.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/av...-cohen-israel/

Do try and keep up please!

I Am The Scum · 9th May 2018, 07:52 PM

So why did Trump pay to hide still images and/or text messages pertaining to an affair that (he claims) never occurred?

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way.

Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen?

Lurch · 9th May 2018, 08:10 PM

The Trump defenders here provide a most useful service. They keep front and center for our awareness (and delectation) the gyrations, deflections and cognitive dissonance that tribe is prone to in their unwillingness to face reality. This serves to remind to not lose sight of the forces at work striving to undermine the rule of law in service of the maintenance of their crooked Liar in Chief.

And the 'contrarian' viewpoint does keep things interesting--a plus.

Lurch · 9th May 2018, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen?

Cain is being a Cainy Cain in his Caining, Cainingly Caniness.

Cain · 9th May 2018, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen?

Of course they should have been paying Mr. Trump. He's the President. Instead Cohen couldn't help but be a sneaky Jew who sold out his main client/benefactor. But this assumes the reports are true when it could just be a frame-job from Mueller/The Deep State.

I Am The Scum · 9th May 2018, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

sneaky Jew

I enjoy satire and parody as much as the next guy, but this really isn't necessary.

Loss Leader · 9th May 2018, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points.

By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY.

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf

I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law.

Okay, let me just try this:

This is the form motion you referenced. It states:

Originally Posted by SDNY Form

I am in good standing of the bar(s) of the state(s) of _____ and there are no pending disciplinary proceedings against me in any state or federal court

This is the ethics complaint form you cited. It is titled "The State Bar of California" and instructs that the complainant send it to the Office of the Chief Trial Counsel of the State Bar of California.

The state bar is not a disciplinary proceeding in state or federal court. It's entirely internal to the Bar Association. Furthermore, simply having a complaint lodged against him or her does not put an attorney out of good standing.

One of either two things needs to occur: 1) the Bar Association, after investigation and a hearing, declares the member not to be in good standing; or 2) the censure action is brought in an actual real court (usually the attorney sues the bar after receiving discipline).

You are wrong.

I say this not just as a lawyer. I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney (who have high ethics complaint rates compared to other practitioners). I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney who has had former clients file ethics complaints (none of which were actioned). I say this not just as an attorney who has applied to practice pro hac vice in federal court. I say this not just as an attorney who has applied for such status in the Southern District of New York. I say it as an attorney who was admitted pro hac vice by the SDNY while I had an ethics complaint open against me with the state bar.

There is nothing involved in this process that you have in any way gotten right. it would have been closer to the truth if you'd let a cat walk across your keyboard and just posted that.

Steve · 9th May 2018, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

I enjoy satire and parody as much as the next guy, but this really isn't necessary.

I take your point, but I suspect this is aimed directly at selected posters in this thread who have shown a predilection toward racism.

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

The Trump defenders here provide a most useful service. They keep front and center for our awareness (and delectation) the gyrations, deflections and cognitive dissonance that tribe is prone to in their unwillingness to face reality. This serves to remind to not lose sight of the forces at work striving to undermine the rule of law in service of the maintenance of their crooked Liar in Chief.

And the 'contrarian' viewpoint does keep things interesting--a plus.

I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial.

It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie.

??????? How is this possible?

Steve · 9th May 2018, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial.

It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie.

??????? How is this possible?

Lots more morons in your country than you had previously imagined?

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

Of course they should have been paying Mr. Trump. He's the President. Instead Cohen couldn't help but be a sneaky Jew who sold out his main client/benefactor. But this assumes the reports are true when it could just be a frame-job from Mueller/The Deep State.

You know what happens when you steal from the boss? You get whacked.

portlandatheist · 9th May 2018, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way.

I love your posts.

portlandatheist · 9th May 2018, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen?

You've been cained, this is a POE

Regnad Kcin · 9th May 2018, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Somebody fill me in. Who the hell is Thirsty?

...

acbytesla · 9th May 2018, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

You've been cained, this is a POE

I know.

logger · 9th May 2018, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial.

It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie.

??????? How is this possible?

The only thing amazing is how your side still can’t figure how and why it’s been defeated so badly.

9th May 2018, 04:50 PM	#81
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by tyr_13 The Russian company claims it hired Cohen as a consultant “regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures.” Good thing they didn't claim they hired him for legal work, because then Cohen would have had to name them in court, correct? Except its being claimed the company isn’t Russian?
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9th May 2018, 05:01 PM	#82
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by logger Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen? This is getting interesting! https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049 Yep. Already presented to judge wood. Bad day for michael.
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9th May 2018, 05:01 PM	#83
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by logger Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen? This is getting interesting! https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049 Hardly. Avenatti produced what are SARs. These are Suspicious Activity Reports. Banks have to submit them for unusual transactions. They are maintained in the SAR database. Thousands of people have access. What is far far more important is the content and what it shows. Something tells me that a full examination of Cohen's banking will show enough criminality to put Cohen away for decades. That is if he doesn't sing.
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9th May 2018, 05:06 PM	#84
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by Loss Leader I wait in vain for you to say anything correct about the practice of law. Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain.
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9th May 2018, 05:15 PM	#85
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 4,557	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain. Why do you keep saying pro hac vice like it's some scary, or aggressive term? Care to explain to everyone what it means? Just curious. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
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9th May 2018, 05:17 PM	#86
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,654	Originally Posted by logger Holy moly could AVenatti gotten stolen papers on the wrong Micheal Cohen? This is getting interesting! https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-149049 Not according to the companies who made payments to Cohen, and confirm they did indeed make payments to the Cohen in this case.
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9th May 2018, 05:18 PM	#87
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,654	Originally Posted by logger Except its being claimed the company isn’t Russian? It's being claimed, but so? It's the US branch of a Russian oligarch's company.
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9th May 2018, 05:23 PM	#88
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by tyr_13 It's being claimed, but so? It's the US branch of a Russian oligarch's company. This is like Amazon saying it isn't a Seattle company because it's incorporated in Deleware.
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9th May 2018, 05:44 PM	#89
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 5,299	Originally Posted by tyr_13 Not according to the companies who made payments to Cohen, and confirm they did indeed make payments to the Cohen in this case. It smacks of “anomaly hunting”. Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by or to a different Michael Cohen. It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true. And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual.
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9th May 2018, 05:53 PM	#90
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B It smacks of “anomaly hunting”. Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by a different Michael Cohen. It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true. And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual. Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally. He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions.
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9th May 2018, 05:59 PM	#91
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,531	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally. He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions. Proof that he obtained them illegally?

9th May 2018, 06:10 PM	#92
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally. He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions. WOW! You'd be dangerous if you had a clue. Avenatti is wiping the floor with Trump and his morons. Innocent people LMAO.
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9th May 2018, 06:22 PM	#93
Random Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,981	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Actually it is at least three, and reveals that Avenatti is sloppy and is willing to damage innocent people using documents that he clearly did not obtain legally. He claimed that Cohen was tapped and now he is attacking AT&T and others based on his wildly biased opinions. Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis...
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9th May 2018, 06:29 PM	#94
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,654	Originally Posted by Random Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis... The Novartis initial confirmation was especially funny as it essentially said that the relationship had ended by the time the new CEO took over Novartis, not even trying to defend the relationship.
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9th May 2018, 06:32 PM	#95
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 15,654	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B It smacks of “anomaly hunting”. Avanatti admitted on TV that at least one of the alleged payments might have been made by a different Michael Cohen. It’s part and parcel of the Roy Cohn/Roger Stone/Donald Trump playbook to hone in on that one discrepancy and tout it as if it invalidates the 90% plus allegations that are, in fact, true. And it’s transparent, tiresome, and in the long run ineffectual. They play up anything less than statements of absolute certainty as being indicative of dishonesty rather than an acknowledgement of the possibility of mistakes. That way when they tell the most obvious lies, they can cite their vehement insistence as supporting evidence in and of itself.
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9th May 2018, 06:35 PM	#96
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 18,727	Originally Posted by tyr_13 The Novartis initial confirmation was especially funny as it essentially said that the relationship had ended by the time the new CEO took over Novartis, not even trying to defend the relationship. Indeed, Novartis basically has said they got conned by Cohen, realized it after the first meeting, but had to let the contract run out. In the US there'd be shareholder lawsuit already filed.
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9th May 2018, 06:52 PM	#97
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by Random Um, AT&T has already said that they gave Cohen money. Novartis has said they gave Cohen money. Cohen has said that he took money from AT&T and Novartis... Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion. The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.) Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in.
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9th May 2018, 07:11 PM	#98
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion. The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.) Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in. You're so desperate. Avenatti keeps kicking Trump's ass all over the floor and you keep sticking up for that sleazeball and his criminal lawyer.
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9th May 2018, 07:19 PM	#99
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Please feel free to correct anything you feel is wrong with my post, in light of the fact that he has a pending motion to appear pro hac vice. If you would like me explain what pending ethics complaints have to do with such motions, i would be happy to explain. Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points. By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY. http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law.
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9th May 2018, 07:24 PM	#100
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 39,112	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Avenatti is claiming that in so doing what they did was illegal, despite the fact there is no basis for that conclusion. The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.) Hopefully Mueller and Wood can rope this clown in. Getting your news from logger, now? Please show the class where Avenatti is under Treasury Dept. investigation. Wait....! Let me cue up "Mr. Bojangles" so we can all enjoy the tap dance.
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9th May 2018, 07:33 PM	#101
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points. By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY. http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law. Are there ANY pending disciplinary proceedings against Michael Avenatti? No, would be the correct answer.
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9th May 2018, 07:45 PM	#102
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,336	There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way.
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9th May 2018, 07:50 PM	#103
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by The Big Dog We know all of those things here is yet another link to the article about Thirsty's latest three ring circus https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.4af43931e391 Basic info here. Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Getting your news from logger, now? Please show the class where Avenatti is under Treasury Dept. investigation. Wait....! Let me cue up "Mr. Bojangles" so we can all enjoy the tap dance. From wapo. Enjoy the music while you read up on the article I have linked several times in this thread.
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9th May 2018, 07:52 PM	#104
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Foolmewunz it’s in this one too. http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/av...-cohen-israel/ Do try and keep up please!
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9th May 2018, 07:52 PM	#105
I Am The Scum Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,540	So why did Trump pay to hide still images and/or text messages pertaining to an affair that (he claims) never occurred?

9th May 2018, 07:52 PM	#106
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by Cain There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way. Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen?
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9th May 2018, 08:10 PM	#107
Lurch Muse Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 587	The Trump defenders here provide a most useful service. They keep front and center for our awareness (and delectation) the gyrations, deflections and cognitive dissonance that tribe is prone to in their unwillingness to face reality. This serves to remind to not lose sight of the forces at work striving to undermine the rule of law in service of the maintenance of their crooked Liar in Chief. And the 'contrarian' viewpoint does keep things interesting--a plus.
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9th May 2018, 08:12 PM	#108
Lurch Muse Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 587	Originally Posted by acbytesla Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen? Cain is being a Cainy Cain in his Caining, Cainingly Caniness.
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9th May 2018, 08:13 PM	#109
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,336	Originally Posted by acbytesla Calling the Trumpster a victim is absurd. Are you suggesting that Novartis, the Russian oligarch, AT&T, and the South Korean aerospace company were paying Trump, not Cohen? Of course they should have been paying Mr. Trump. He's the President. Instead Cohen couldn't help but be a sneaky Jew who sold out his main client/benefactor. But this assumes the reports are true when it could just be a frame-job from Mueller/The Deep State.
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9th May 2018, 08:17 PM	#110
I Am The Scum Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,540	Originally Posted by Cain sneaky Jew I enjoy satire and parody as much as the next guy, but this really isn't necessary.

9th May 2018, 08:19 PM	#111
Loss Leader I would save the receptionist. Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 25,877	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Oh well, was not really expected a response, so much easier to claim a poster knows nothing about the law than to address the points. By the way, here is a form motion used by SDNY. http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/forms/a...phv_motion.pdf I direct everyone’s attention to the part of the sample motion about no pending disciplinary proceedings. And now we all know something else correct about the practice of law. Okay, let me just try this: This is the form motion you referenced. It states: Originally Posted by SDNY Form I am in good standing of the bar(s) of the state(s) of _____ and there are no pending disciplinary proceedings against me in any state or federal court This is the ethics complaint form you cited. It is titled "The State Bar of California" and instructs that the complainant send it to the Office of the Chief Trial Counsel of the State Bar of California. The state bar is not a disciplinary proceeding in state or federal court. It's entirely internal to the Bar Association. Furthermore, simply having a complaint lodged against him or her does not put an attorney out of good standing. One of either two things needs to occur: 1) the Bar Association, after investigation and a hearing, declares the member not to be in good standing; or 2) the censure action is brought in an actual real court (usually the attorney sues the bar after receiving discipline). You are wrong. I say this not just as a lawyer. I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney (who have high ethics complaint rates compared to other practitioners). I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney who has had former clients file ethics complaints (none of which were actioned). I say this not just as an attorney who has applied to practice pro hac vice in federal court. I say this not just as an attorney who has applied for such status in the Southern District of New York. I say it as an attorney who was admitted pro hac vice by the SDNY while I had an ethics complaint open against me with the state bar. There is nothing involved in this process that you have in any way gotten right. it would have been closer to the truth if you'd let a cat walk across your keyboard and just posted that.
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9th May 2018, 08:23 PM	#112
Steve Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,065	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum I enjoy satire and parody as much as the next guy, but this really isn't necessary. I take your point, but I suspect this is aimed directly at selected posters in this thread who have shown a predilection toward racism.
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9th May 2018, 08:24 PM	#113
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by Lurch The Trump defenders here provide a most useful service. They keep front and center for our awareness (and delectation) the gyrations, deflections and cognitive dissonance that tribe is prone to in their unwillingness to face reality. This serves to remind to not lose sight of the forces at work striving to undermine the rule of law in service of the maintenance of their crooked Liar in Chief. And the 'contrarian' viewpoint does keep things interesting--a plus. I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial. It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie. ??????? How is this possible?
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9th May 2018, 08:28 PM	#114
Steve Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,065	Originally Posted by acbytesla I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial. It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie. ??????? How is this possible? Lots more morons in your country than you had previously imagined?
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9th May 2018, 08:29 PM	#115
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,179	Originally Posted by Cain Of course they should have been paying Mr. Trump. He's the President. Instead Cohen couldn't help but be a sneaky Jew who sold out his main client/benefactor. But this assumes the reports are true when it could just be a frame-job from Mueller/The Deep State. You know what happens when you steal from the boss? You get whacked.
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