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Old 14th June 2018, 04:09 AM   #161
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I reject any notion that there are rules of civility, decency, respect or honor that could apply to Trump, the members of his family of age involved in his administration or campaign, or his direct supporters. I would never advocate for violence (though I recognize and am indifferent to the risks dehumanizing him entails) or an extra legal end to his presidency. We're still a strong enough nation to deal with a traitor within the confines of the law.
If the senate and house don't change parties this fall, I fear that the nation will not be sufficiently strong to deal with Trump. The GOP are cementing their power with new voter surpression initiatives, and we know Trump's foreign masters are gearing up for more propaganda campaigns. There's also the fact that a substantial part of the US population get their information from a source that consistently lies to them, creating an alternative reality bubble for them to inhabit.

It's now or never. Either the Democrats wrest power back from those who stole it, or US democracy dies.

Expecting a 'lol' from fascism-enablers on the forum.
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If people don't vote exactly the way I want them to vote, then democracy is DEAD. Just DEAD.

Fortunately we have a strong leader, one who is not above lying to extract REGIME CHANGE.

We need a strong leader like Robert Mueller again....
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Old 14th June 2018, 07:49 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
If people don't vote exactly the way I want them to vote, then democracy is DEAD. Just DEAD.

Fortunately we have a strong leader, one who is not above lying to extract REGIME CHANGE.

We need a strong leader like Robert Mueller again....
While I think that Uke's post was over the top, your response takes it to a whole new level. You didn't have to go straw man here. You could have responded to what he said.
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Old 14th June 2018, 10:44 AM   #164
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You could have responded to what he said.
Evidence?
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:19 AM   #165
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Here is the opposition to Mueller's overreaching and silly request for a protective order.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...pposition.html

if you get the impression that they are being a bit derisive, you might be right
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:23 AM   #166
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It all depends on what Cohen had and if Trump got any parking tickets. We wont know until someone leaks it or the government announces it. I bet loser libs are pissed nothing has been found yet. A billionaire like Trump with all the deals he’s made has to have done something against the law. So we’ll surely find out what it was and if anyone cares about it.
Well if the stupid, idiotic, lying, greedy, unprincipled Republicans cannot save their own, then that is to be expected from filth like them.
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Old 14th June 2018, 11:25 AM   #167
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I could be wrong, but Im sure you’d be pissed if these corrupt officials did it to you. Rosenstein...please, he’s as corrupt as they come.
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I’m sure you haven’t been paying attention to the congress trying to do oversight and guess who’s standing in the way, he’s even been caught trying to hide things. Yes, you guessed it, that upstanding corruptocrat Rod Rosenstein.
Republicans complaining about a Republican-led conspiracy against Republicans will never stop being hilarious in its absurdity.
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Republicans complaining about a Republican-led conspiracy against Republicans will never stop being hilarious in its absurdity.
These trump fans are NOT republican.
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Bombshell: OIG Report Released Today Critical of FBI Russia Investigation

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Even more seriously, text messages between Strzok and Page pertaining to the Russia investigation, particularly a text message from Strzok on August 8 stating “No.No he’s not.We’ll stop it.” in response to a Page text “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right?Right?!,”are not only indicative of a biased state of mind but imply a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects.
Wow....
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
These trump fans are NOT republican.


No. You're confused (which is understandable under the circumstances).

Republicans who are not Trump fans willing to excuse, abet, or cover up whatever he does are not Republicans.
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Wow....
Are you really surprised that two adult Americans in August of 2016 thought it unlikely that Trump would be president?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Here is the opposition to Mueller's overreaching and silly request for a protective order.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...pposition.html

if you get the impression that they are being a bit derisive, you might be right
“Fake law.. more dangerous than fake news”

This is getting embarrassing.
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:04 PM   #173
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Wow....
Yawn. You keep pretending these 2 low level individuals were doing anything more than talking out their asses.
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:08 PM   #174
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If the senate and house don't change parties this fall, I fear that the nation will not be sufficiently strong to deal with Trump. The GOP are cementing their power with new voter surpression initiatives, and we know Trump's foreign masters are gearing up for more propaganda campaigns. There's also the fact that a substantial part of the US population get their information from a source that consistently lies to them, creating an alternative reality bubble for them to inhabit.

It's now or never. Either the Democrats wrest power back from those who stole it, or US democracy dies.

Expecting a 'lol' from fascism-enablers on the forum.
This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.

The biggest danger currently, is over reaction and setting bad precedents.
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:15 PM   #175
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Trump tweets

"Now that I am back from Singapore, where we had a great result with respect to North Korea, the thought process must sadly go back to the Witch Hunt, always remembering that there was No Collusion and No Obstruction of the fabricated No Crime."

"So, the Democrats make up a phony crime, Collusion with the Russians, pay a fortune to make the crime sound real, illegally leak (Comey) classified information so that a Special Councel will be appointed, and then Collude to make this pile of garbage take on life in Fake News!"

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The OIG report released today is a nightmare for Mueller:

FBI Attorney 1 responded, “Is it
making you rethink your commitment
to the Trump administration?”
FBI Attorney 2replied, “Hell no.” and then added, “Viva le resistance.”

Both of these attorneys were assigned to Mueller's team....
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:32 PM   #177
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This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.

The biggest danger currently, is over reaction and setting bad precedents.
I'm not so sure. My thesis in College was how it could happen here. Hitler was elected. Putin was elected Erdogan was elected. Hugo Chavez was elected. The list goes on.

Taking democracy for granted seems to be the much larger danger. I everyday see rednecks waving the flag from the back of pickup trucks and yet they don't have a clue about the founding fathers and core principles. Checks and balances, the rule of law freedom of speech and press and to peacefully assemble and petition the government are what makes this country special. It's not the flag, God, mom or Apple pie.

Civil and honest discourse is by far the most important ingredient. And yet this President and his supporters work to create a hostile environment to those principles.

Trump is running the dictator's handbook. Disinformation, distrust and insanity. He thinks the government should work for him, not us. I wish everyone today would read George Orwell's 1984 as it is playing out in front of us in real life.
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It's now or never. Either the Democrats wrest power back from those who stole it, or US democracy dies.
This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.
For better or worse, "democracy" is not a simple, binary concept (you have it or you don't.) It is actually a range... the U.S. was considered a "democracy" for years even though women weren't allowed to vote. Its still a democracy even though you have gerrymandering and voter suppression.

While the U.S. may continue to exist as a "democracy" (or partial democracy) after Trump is gone from the scene, that doesn't mean that it hasn't been harmed. Even know, the U.S. is ranked as a "flawed democracy", and the type of things that have been done by Trump and the Republicans to harm democracy will probably take decades or years to overcome. (Just how long are we supposed to wait for all the anti-democratic actions done by the Republicans to be undone? One decade? Two?)

I don't think its wrong to be upset that the country that had considered itself the "leader of the free world" is now considered a "flawed democracy".
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The OIG report released today is a nightmare for Mueller:

FBI Attorney 1 responded, “Is it
making you rethink your commitment
to the Trump administration?”
FBI Attorney 2replied, “Hell no.” and then added, “Viva le resistance.”

Both of these attorneys were assigned to Mueller's team....
You're talking nonsense. You pretend that people cant hold political beliefs and still do their jobs fairly. Get a grip.
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Yawn. You keep pretending these 2 low level individuals were doing anything more than talking out their asses.
On the Trump side, there were a lot of coffee boys in the top tier of the campaign.

On the FBI side, one agent got busted with private emails he hated Trump. I believe there were also a few that he hated Clinton, but I digress.

Said FBI agent was immediately taken off the FBI investigation of Russian interference with the US election and any investigation Trump was in on it. That was over a year ago.

In the meantime said Trump coffee boys have been indicted or pleaded guilty to various charges. Some are said to be giving Mueller incriminating evidence against others in the Trump campaign. We know some of them at a minimum lied to the FBI, suggesting they had something to lie about.

In the meantime Trumpers bring out Strozk over and over and over as if he alone is the deep state.

Can they point to a single thing Strozk influenced in the investigation? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
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This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.

The biggest danger currently, is over reaction and setting bad precedents.
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Another bombshell:

From the IG report:

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"Under these circumstances, we did NOT have confidence that Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation OVER following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias."
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Old 14th June 2018, 12:50 PM   #183
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The OIG report released today is a nightmare for Mueller:

FBI Attorney 1 responded, “Is it
making you rethink your commitment
to the Trump administration?”
FBI Attorney 2replied, “Hell no.” and then added, “Viva le resistance.”

Both of these attorneys were assigned to Mueller's team....
Now that sounds like conversations I had in the Navy.
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I take the long view when considering the health of a constitutional democracy. Better a bad president than a bad precedent.
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I take the long view when considering the health of a constitutional democracy. Better a bad president than a bad precedent.
You claimed there was a danger of setting bad precedents.

You can't get any worse precedent setting than we have with Trump.
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You claimed there was a danger of setting bad precedents.

You can't get any worse precedent setting than we have with Trump.
There’s all kinds of terrible precedents.

Political differences labeled psychiatric disorders.
Removal of democratically elected officials by “any means”
Nuclear option in the senate

Basically, you are exceeding Putin’s wildest hopes.
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There’s all kinds of terrible precedents.

Political differences labeled psychiatric disorders.
Removal of democratically elected officials by “any means”
Nuclear option in the senate

Basically, you are exceeding Putin’s wildest hopes.
Overwhelming evidence of a psychiatric disorder dismissed as partisan politics.

Trying to dismiss legitimate criminal investigations by the FBI and the special prosecutor as partisan because one FBI agent didn't like Trump.

Attacking anyone that criticizes Trump be it a Federal Judge or a state AG investigating a charity fraud as partisan.

Trying to use the State Department to go after one's political enemies.


Nuclear option in the Senate???? Puhleese.

Exceeding Putin's wildest hopes, you got that part right, Trump is indeed the gift that keeps on giving.
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One FBI agent? I like that the guy who was leading the investigation is referred to as "one agent" plus his gal pal, plus all the other ones quoted in the report today, five of which were referred to the FBI.

Just one guy fellas, don't worry about it.

"we were particularly concerned about text messages sent
by Strzok and Page that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions they made
were impacted by bias or improper considerations.
Most of the text messages raising such questions
pertained to the Russia investigation, and the
implication in some of these text messages, particularly
Strzok’s August 8 text message (“we’ll stop” candidate
Trump from being elected), was that Strzok might be
willing to take official action to impact a presidential
candidate’s electoral prospects. Under these
circumstances, we did not have confidence that Strzok’s
decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over
following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead
discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias.

"we'll stop" Trump. Which was sent a week after Crossfire Hurricane started by the top guy on the investigation. Sounds legit
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You're talking nonsense. You pretend that people cant hold political beliefs and still do their jobs fairly. Get a grip.

In a Trump administration all loyalty by each and every government employee must be to Supreme Leader Trump first, foremost, and above all else.

Loyalty to the U.S.A., it's laws, the precepts of democracy, or the requirements and responsibilities of that employee's job must come after that.

Anything less is obviously part of a conspiracy to depose the Supreme Leader Trump.
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In a Trump administration all loyalty by each and every government employee must be to Supreme Leader Trump first, foremost, and above all else.

Loyalty to the U.S.A., it's laws, the precepts of democracy, or the requirements and responsibilities of that employee's job must come after that.

Anything less is obviously part of a conspiracy to depose the Supreme Leader Trump.
Surely it has to do with his projection. Given he's a dishonest partisan hack that would use US institutions to damage his enemies, of course he believes that's how everyone acts.
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One FBI agent? I like that the guy who was leading the investigation is referred to as "one agent" plus his gal pal, plus all the other ones quoted in the report today, five of which were referred to the FBI.

Just one guy fellas, don't worry about it.

"we were particularly concerned about text messages sent
by Strzok and Page that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions they made
were impacted by bias or improper considerations.
Most of the text messages raising such questions
pertained to the Russia investigation, and the
implication in some of these text messages, particularly
Strzok’s August 8 text message (“we’ll stop” candidate
Trump from being elected), was that Strzok might be
willing to take official action to impact a presidential
candidate’s electoral prospects. Under these
circumstances, we did not have confidence that Strzok’s
decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over
following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead
discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias.

"we'll stop" Trump. Which was sent a week after Crossfire Hurricane started by the top guy on the investigation. Sounds legit
"We found no evidence that the conclusions by Department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations; rather, we determined that they were based on the prosecutors' assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice”
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One FBI agent? I like that the guy who was leading the investigation is referred to as "one agent" plus his gal pal, plus all the other ones quoted in the report today, five of which were referred to the FBI.

Just one guy fellas, don't worry about it.

"we were particularly concerned about text messages sent
by Strzok and Page that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions they made
were impacted by bias or improper considerations.
Most of the text messages raising such questions
pertained to the Russia investigation, and the
implication in some of these text messages, particularly
Strzok’s August 8 text message (“we’ll stop” candidate
Trump from being elected), was that Strzok might be
willing to take official action to impact a presidential
candidate’s electoral prospects. Under these
circumstances, we did not have confidence that Strzok’s
decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over
following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead
discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias.

"we'll stop" Trump. Which was sent a week after Crossfire Hurricane started by the top guy on the investigation. Sounds legit
Oh bull crap. You have ABSOLUTELY no information that they did anything more than talk. They opposed the election of Donald Trump. Lots of people did.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
"We found no evidence that the conclusions by Department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations; rather, we determined that they were based on the prosecutors' assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice”
Anyone notice that I talk about the FBI and the reply is about Department prosecutors?

Yeah, people quoting that line to you are lying to you. DOJ prosecutors are not the FBI
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Old 14th June 2018, 05:29 PM   #194
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Anyone notice that I talk about the FBI and the reply is about Department prosecutors?

Yeah, people quoting that line to you are lying to you. DOJ prosecutors are not the FBI
Anyone notice the nonsense in that post?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Are you really surprised that two adult Americans in August of 2016 thought it unlikely that Trump would be president?
Or that they really didn't want it? The suggestion that they would be willing to actually take some action to try to prevent Trump from becoming President is, in fact, not a particularly telling one. Nor does it even so much as imply that any unlawful, unprofessional, or unethical behavior actually occurred.

As the report said, though, it is indeed distinctly possible that the checking of e-mails was not prioritized over concerns about Russian links to the Trump campaign in part because of bias, though, regardless of whether it would have been done the same way even without bias in play. That's really not the smoking gun that those like The Big Dog seem to want it to be, though. "Bias" seems to have become the right's "racism." Certainly an issue, but one that's frequently assumed or blown comically out of proportion whenever they feel like it, regardless of the truth of the matter.
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This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.

The biggest danger currently, is over reaction and setting bad precedents.
Setting dangerous precedents? You like Trump, Congress and the Senate have been doing?
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It's being reported that Cohen feels that Trump and his allies are turning on him
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FWIW, WRT the Strzok prioritising Russia over Clinton thing: https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...28186445828101

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The OIG report suggests that Strzok may have prioritized the Russia probe over the Clinton email probe because he didn't like Trump.
Strzok's lawyer has some thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
This is just chicken little scaremongering. Whether trump is indicted, or serves a second term, either way the pendulum will swing and the Democrats win again, sooner or later.

The biggest danger currently, is over reaction and setting bad precedents.
I think this is the dangerous "it can't happen here" mentality showing again. It can and is happening there. The party in power is openly cementing its power through various means. The US is rightfully sliding downwards on the democracy index. The ostrich mentality isn't going to work anymore.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
FWIW, WRT the Strzok prioritising Russia over Clinton thing: https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...28186445828101
It may be worth repeating that the report says that they cannot discount that bias may have been in play in the first place. It did not say that the decisions actually made were wrong there.
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