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Because I actually know the answer. I find threats against ICE employees and their children horrible, deplorable, and such people should be prosecuted under the law.
But ripping brown children from their families? That's a-ok in the eyes of the right! Which is why I said 'womp womp'. Because the 'Righteous Right'tm doesn't care. They declared 'womp womp' when faced with the whole mess about putting children in cages. They just don't give a ****. |
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Ok, so you voted for someone who lost. Yet had they won, that would have been one more republican in Congress.
Now, I don't have a crystal ball to know how exactly he would have voted for legislation if he were in congress, but given the fact that he has a 'pro-life' link on his web page, I rather suspect he would have followed the majority and supported Trump. So yes, you are illustrating my point for me perfectly... the "I'm really against Trump" voter who is still voting in a way that still benefits Trump indirectly. |
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A voter can absolutely abhor this policy of Trump's yet still support other political goals of the GOP, especially locally. A little too much generalization here.
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Will the kids previously taken from parents be returned?
No one seems to be asking. If the EO doesn't decree their return will it happen? Who is responsible? |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Glad to see that Trump has agreed to do the right thing. Doesn't excuse the initial policy change but it at least shows that he will cave to political pressure and do the right thing. Call it saving himself, whatever. At least he's ending the practice.
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Yet Trump still enjoys a majority approval rating among Republican voters.
More importantly, every republican senator (many of whom are now complaining about child separation) voted to confirm Jeff Sessions. If they are a member of the republican party (either a candidate, or a recent republican voter) then your vote played a role in the current child separation issue. |
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Not in Illinois it's not.
Illinois is a Blue state. It was obvious that Clinton was going to win Illinois, so there was no need to vote for the candidate whose underlying philosophy you disagree with in order to prevent Trump from winning. Illinois voters who voted for Johnson did not contribute to Trump winning the election because Clinton won Illinois. If every voter in Illinois had voted for Clinton, it would have had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election because Illinois electoral votes went to Clinton. As it is, Clinton got 56% and Trump got 39%. Illinois has 18 Representatives: 11 Democrats and 7 Republicans. Two of the republicans ran unopposed as the Democrats did not field a candidate. Another, (LaHood) is the son of Ray LaHood, a moderate Republican who previously represented the district and was also Obama's Secretary of Transportation. I no longer live in Peoria, so I'm not all that familiar with the younger LaHood, but from his Wikipedia page, it appears that he is fairly moderate and has not been a Trump cheerleader. On a personal note, my wife thinks very highly of the senior LaHood. His office was instrumental in arranging an honor guard for my father-in-law's funeral. (Retired Air Force sergeant who served in Korea and VietNam) The younger LaHood defeated a Breitbart editor in the primary. My point is that sometimes a district's voters have connections with their representatives that transcend politics. They see them as people/individuals first. It's also good to remember most people in Illinois expected Clinton to win the presidency. Therefore, the idea that they needed vote for an opposition candidate they disagreed with in order to keep Trump in check would not have occurred to them. Since they expected a Clinton victory, they logically would have expected to rely on Congress to keep her in check instead. I also voted for Gary Johnson, mostly to support a third party. (I don't vote a party line for either party. To quote Richard Pryor in Brewster's Millions: "Vote None of the Above.") I don't recall who I voted for for Congress, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Rodney Davis (R) because I was in the mood to vote against incumbents that day. |
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The fact that Trump is a racist nut-bag, who both campaigned using bigoted rhetoric and proposed racist policies should override any and all consideration of those other issues that a person does support.
"Hey, I'm getting a tax break. Guess that makes up for the hundreds of children forcefully taken from their parents". And, of course, this assumes that whatever issues a person happens to agree with Trump on are ones that Trump is willing and able to deliver coherent policy. Which we have seen is rarely the case. |
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I get hep C and HIV PCR antigen tests (viral loads) in less than 24 hours. It depends on if you are looking for markers or testing the whole genome. Testing the whole genome would not be necessary.
The reason for the back-ups in testing rape kits is funds and resources, not the time the test takes. |
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Of course you can, especially in local elections. Put it this way: If a conservative has a choice between a Sandersesque candidate for Senator and the GOP alternative, it would make little sense to vote for the Sandersesque candidate.
Even nationally, if we are offered a situation in 2020 where we maybe have a candidate like Bernie Sanders with a Dem controlled congress, it would be stupid for a conservative to vote for Sanders if they support the majority of policies the GOP favors and absolutely oppose the majority of Sanders' policies. Even if Trump were the GOP candidate I wouldn't blame a conservative for holding their nose and voting Trump. Like I said, way too many generalities here. |
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I can see, on these very pages, why politics has become increasingly polarized. If you are One Drop of Conservative or Liberal, by gum your all of that side.
Concrete thinking run amok. |
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And that's horrendous.
You are basically proving the point. According to you, a conservative would be better off voting for a proto-fascist, racist bafoon than a social democrat. That is why "conservatives" should have no more place in the US. ETA: Actual conservatives - that is, people who aren't racist or racism enablers - are welcome in the Democratic party. |
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While he may not be a "trump cheerleader" LaHood still voted for the republican Tax cut bill. You know, the ones that Trump is bragging about (the one that increases the debt load and will eventually increase the tax rate on lower and middle income Americans.)
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