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Old 4th July 2018, 10:11 AM   #321
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But if you set the cutoffs all at 90% and found that 50% of white applicants passed, 30% of Hispanic applucants passed, and 10% of black applicants passed, what would think? "Black people just aren't as smart"? Or "the test is systematically biased against black people"?

I remember an issue being raised years ago about a scholastic aptitude test that had vocabulary terms like "sculling". What group is most likely to be familiar with competitive team rowing?
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Old 4th July 2018, 11:13 AM   #322
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I remember an issue being raised years ago about a scholastic aptitude test that had vocabulary terms like "sculling". What group is most likely to be familiar with competitive team rowing?
See, this just shows how the black community is not getting a proper education.
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Old 4th July 2018, 11:15 AM   #323
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Trump repeatedly suggested invading Venezuela, stunning top aides Ė report

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nezuela-report

This doesnít surprise me.
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Old 4th July 2018, 11:40 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Real world example...

I forget the exact figures, but when I tested to work for Dade County, FL, a white applicant needed to score 90% on the entrance test, Hispanics 85% and blacks 75%. I was smart enough to get in, but a white applicant could have been denied a job that was given to a less qualified applicant. Seems like discrimination on the basis of race to me, something we should try to avoid.

I realize the alternative was to have a mostly white police force policing a mostly black area, which brings along its own set of issues.

Only to point out why I’m conflicted.

It could be -- I'm just speculating -- that those percentages -- if your understanding is accurate -- represented equivalent percentages of the applicant pool. Suppose a score of 90, 85 and 75 were achieved by, say, the top 20 percent of each applicant pool. So the test weeds out the bottom 80 percent of each group. Then you conduct interviews and background checks, look at school transcripts and references, etc. to make your selection. The test score is a starting point, not the deciding factor. You could achieve the same end by just administering the test on a "pass/fail" basis, and everybody with a passing score moves on to the next step. You could make race or "community connections" a legitimate selection criteria, but it still would be one of several.

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Old 4th July 2018, 11:44 AM   #325
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Trump repeatedly suggested invading Venezuela, stunning top aides Ė report

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nezuela-report

This doesnít surprise me.

His "logic" is especially chilling:
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The previous day Trump reportedly took his top officials by surprise in an Oval Office meeting, asking why the US could not intervene to remove the government of Nicolas Maduro on the grounds that Venezuelaís political and economic unraveling represented a threat to the region.
So he thinks he can remove from office anybody in the world who pisses him off. One more item for the "Trump is crazy!" thread.
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Old 4th July 2018, 01:39 PM   #326
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It’s pretty obvious by now. No GOP politician can operatr outside of Trump. They can just come up with excuses: we don’t have the votes or the money. “Otherwise we would pass the current Trump thing.” If your district as congressman voted 70% Trump, you have two choces: 1 stick it out 2 leave politics and get on boards of corporations etc etc post congress jobs
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Old 4th July 2018, 02:53 PM   #327
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Itís pretty obvious by now. No GOP politician can operate outside of Trump.
The GOP's failure to make even a token stand against the Tea Party was an act of self-emasculation - or a resigned recognition of the fact.


The sad truth about emasculation is that the parts lost never grow back.
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Old 4th July 2018, 05:53 PM   #328
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U.S. Border Patrol questions crews of at least 10 fishing vessels in Canadian waters


In the past two weeks, at least 10 Canadian fishing boats from New Brunswick have been intercepted by U.S. Border Patrol agents while fishing in the disputed waters around Machias Seal Island, a spokesperson for the fishermen says.

“There’s been a bit of a misunderstanding there somewhere,” Cook said in an interview. “They’re in international waters, so border patrol shouldn’t be boarding Canadian vessels.”

Machias Seal Island, which is about 19 kilometres southwest of Grand Manan Island and east of Maine, is in a disputed area known as the Grey Zone, where lobster fishermen from both Canada and the United States have long fished side by side.

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Old 4th July 2018, 06:00 PM   #329
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Trump Tweets

"The OPEC Monopoly must remember that gas prices are up & they are doing little to help. If anything, they are driving prices higher as the United States defends many of their members for very little $ís. This must be a two way street. REDUCE PRICING NOW!"

Surely some mistake, just a few days ago he tweeted

"Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...Prices to high! He has agreed!"


Which is it?
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Old 4th July 2018, 06:19 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Trump repeatedly suggested invading Venezuela, stunning top aides Ė report

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nezuela-report

This doesnít surprise me.
Why the **** would we do that? Would not their problems suddenly become our problems? Who the hell would want that?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

"The OPEC Monopoly must remember that gas prices are up & they are doing little to help. If anything, they are driving prices higher as the United States defends many of their members for very little $ís. This must be a two way street. REDUCE PRICING NOW!"

Surely some mistake, just a few days ago he tweeted

"Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...Prices to high! He has agreed!"


Which is it?
For Trump it's both. What was politically expedient several days ago is not expedient now, but may become so again in the near future. Depending on how things pan our he can either claim that he kept the oil flowing or that he lowered the price. In his mind it's a win either way.
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Old 4th July 2018, 06:22 PM   #332
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Why the **** would we do that? Would not their problems suddenly become our problems? Who the hell would want that?
You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.
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Old 4th July 2018, 06:23 PM   #333
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Why the **** would we do that? Would not their problems suddenly become our problems? Who the hell would want that?
...but we've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Old 4th July 2018, 11:00 PM   #334
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Today marks yet another day on which the sun rises over American fascists mistreating innocent children and families, criminalizing their struggle for liberty and the pursuit of happiness: "Because not Norwegian." It also rises over white racist Europe, incapable of defining even the steady, minimum level of non-disruptive migration it requires to remain economically sound; still a bastion of ethnic and racial stupidity of the lowest, basest sort. In panicked reaction to a minor reduction in the showers of gold flake, both sides of the very rich Atlantic steadily increase the pounding racist drum beat, one that can only lead to eventual war. Yet another day on which the many strident endorsements of the day's trumped-up motives for white hubris ring hollow and empty.

All for coin, naught for integrity, hell-bent on staging a final bling parade and a very poison, very final farewell for all. "Who cares? Hands off my stack!" This, and no other, shall be the definitive white legacy. Unless it isn't, because the fascists and their vile myths shall be opposed and put down. A choice for the times, for all times.
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Old 4th July 2018, 11:50 PM   #335
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Republican intellectuals (if there is such a thing) should realize how much Trump has turned the GOP into a Eastern/Southern European-style nationalist party and how these are faring in office: their politics lead to isolation, economic downturn, lack of innovation and lack of global influence; most far-right movement shatter the moment they lose their unifying leader-figure. Afterwards almost all have to re-invent themselves before they can even attempt to get back into political power.
The GOP is riding a nationalist wave that is going to leave them stranded on a craggy rock in the middle of the ocean.
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Old 5th July 2018, 01:57 AM   #336
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Michael Cohen has removed the mention of Donald Trump from his twitter bio
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I think it's going to be fascinating to see Trump' s narrative around his re-election. He's been very critical of the election process as it is - and he won. God forbid he loses, I can't imagine what his reaction will be.
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Old 5th July 2018, 02:24 AM   #338
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They never knew each other obv.
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Old 5th July 2018, 02:32 AM   #339
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Why the **** would we do that? Would not their problems suddenly become our problems? Who the hell would want that?
That's pretty much what all of his advisers were telling him, in shifts.
https://apnews.com/a3309c4990ac45818...-official-says
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Old 5th July 2018, 02:34 AM   #340
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As the president prepares, if this time he does prepare, for his second summit, note all that went wrong at the first. If he does as badly in his July 16 meeting with Vladimir Putin in Finland as he did with Kim Jong Un in Singapore, the consequences could be catastrophic.
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As he is trying to have the meeting in 'private' with no note takers or others present how will we know if it went well or badly?
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As he is trying to have the meeting in 'private' with no note takers or others present how will we know if it went well or badly?
He'll tell us. You'll believe him, won't you?
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A state or county criminal investigation that begins with abuse of the Donald J. Trump Foundation need not be limited to violations of charity and election law. It can also examine his personal and business tax filings and, in the process, lawfully put his tax returns in the public record.
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Remember a month or so ago when Trump said he would reveal a plan in which drug manufacturers agree to reduce their prices?

He hasn't, and today Pfizer just raised prices on 100 different drugs.
But think how much the price raises would have been with out Trump!
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Affirmative Action is one of those concepts Iím on the fence about.

On the one hand, I applaud the diversity it brings about. Yay!

On the other hand, being denied college entrance or a job because of the color of oneís skin seems patently unfair, at least at the individual level. And tipping the scales in favor of less qualified applicants has to, on average, affect the quality of the students entering or workers employed or whatever. Boo!

But flame suit on - I know sometimes itís hard to put forth a nuanced or conflicted position here.
Of course when you can't even be bothered to educate them in the first place they need something right?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/edu...ight/94218364/

"The State of Michigan wants a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to establish a constitutional right to literacy.

"The United States Supreme Court and Michigan courts recognize the importance of literacy," state lawyers wrote in a response last week to a suit filed on behalf of Detroit school children. "But as important as literacy may be, the United States Supreme Court has unambiguously rejected the claim that public education is a fundamental right under the Constitution. Literacy is a component or particular outcome of education, not a right granted to individuals by the Constitution.""
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Of course when you can't even be bothered to educate them in the first place they need something right?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/edu...ight/94218364/

"The State of Michigan wants a federal judge to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to establish a constitutional right to literacy.

"The United States Supreme Court and Michigan courts recognize the importance of literacy," state lawyers wrote in a response last week to a suit filed on behalf of Detroit school children. "But as important as literacy may be, the United States Supreme Court has unambiguously rejected the claim that public education is a fundamental right under the Constitution. Literacy is a component or particular outcome of education, not a right granted to individuals by the Constitution.""
yep. That is what Originalism leads to: at a time when the UNHCR wants to guarantee a Right to Internet Access, SCOTUS denies a right to Literacy.
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Republican intellectuals (if there is such a thing) should realize how much Trump has turned the GOP into a Eastern/Southern European-style nationalist party and how these are faring in office: their politics lead to isolation, economic downturn, lack of innovation and lack of global influence; most far-right movement shatter the moment they lose their unifying leader-figure. Afterwards almost all have to re-invent themselves before they can even attempt to get back into political power.
The GOP is riding a nationalist wave that is going to leave them stranded on a craggy rock in the middle of the ocean.
There are some Republicans who have chosen their country over Trump. Boot, Will, Kasich among others. It's incorrect to paint anti Trumpism as purely leftist. All you have to do to be anti Trump is be a patriot.
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There are some Republicans who have chosen their country over Trump. Boot, Will, Kasich among others. It's incorrect to paint anti Trumpism as purely leftist. All you have to do to be anti Trump is be a patriot.
From the voting record, there are no anti Trump Republicans in Congress - not even the ones you mentioned.
There are some who think they can weather the Trump Storm within the party whilst maintaining integrity, but Trump has so far brought done everyone associated with him down to his level.
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They never knew each other obv.
Thatís an unsustainable lie.

People say Cohen brought him coffee once with George Papadopoulos.
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From the voting record, there are no anti Trump Republicans in Congress - not even the ones you mentioned.
There are some who think they can weather the Trump Storm within the party whilst maintaining integrity, but Trump has so far brought done everyone associated with him down to his level.
Um...I didn't mention any current members of Congress.
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Time; how the **** does it work?

Who knew it could be so complicated?
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They never knew each other obv.

Why would Cohen bother keeping some coffee covfefe boy's name in his profile?
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I think it's going to be fascinating to see Trump' s narrative around his re-election. He's been very critical of the election process as it is - and he won. God forbid he loses, I can't imagine what his reaction will be.
First, he'll likely have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Well, okay, whining and yammering about how he's still president. Frankly, I expected him to tour the country declaring he was "robbed" even if Clinton had won in 2016, and many of his asinine followers would, of course, agree. I wouldn't be shocked if he were to try to declare the electors "illegal" or to forbid the Supremes from swearing someone else in, assuming he loses the election - but he doesn't have direct control over this, and they'd likely ignore him.

Second, expect a handful of white supremacists to turn violent, or at least to try to do so. They're already discussing it, but luckily most of it is just the usual internet tough talk.
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The only reason people put up with The PDJT for now is that he's the most powerful man in the world. Once he's ousted, no one will want to have a thing to do with him. He will become bankrupt (again) and destitute. I am looking forward to that time with great anticipation.
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First, he'll likely have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Well, okay, whining and yammering about how he's still president. Frankly, I expected him to tour the country declaring he was "robbed" even if Clinton had won in 2016, and many of his asinine followers would, of course, agree. I wouldn't be shocked if he were to try to declare the electors "illegal" or to forbid the Supremes from swearing someone else in, assuming he loses the election - but he doesn't have direct control over this, and they'd likely ignore him.

Second, expect a handful of white supremacists to turn violent, or at least to try to do so. They're already discussing it, but luckily most of it is just the usual internet tough talk.
He could order the agencies of the executive not to participate in the ceremony. He could refuse access to a transition team if he really wanted to be petulant. I would imagine though that people with an eye toward a continued career in politics or just loyalty to the agency and country would have secret transition meetings. A lot more business than usual would likely get done at Old Ebbitt Grill.
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He will become bankrupt (again) and destitute. I am looking forward to that time with great anticipation.
Former presidents receive a pension of about $200k per year, though no doubt he could manage to lose that in fairly short order.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
The only reason people put up with The PDJT for now is that he's the most powerful man in the world. Once he's ousted, no one will want to have a thing to do with him. He will become bankrupt (again) and destitute. I am looking forward to that time with great anticipation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/better/busin...ing-ncna835716

That's already happening. He and his spawn won't live under a bridge or anything. A lot of the lower paid employees may. The name just isn't what it used to be. He's going to need to embrace budget resorts and lodging in Red States (a project that appears to be going poorly hee hee hee). Internationally he's screwed. His Washington DC hotel made a $2 million dollar profit which hardly offsets losses at properties in Scotland, New Jersey, New York, Los Angeles and here in Virginia. One of his Scotland properties lost $23 million dollars lost year.

DC being about the most anti Trump place in the country, I can't imagine his hotel here will continue to do well after he's out of office.

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Former presidents receive a pension of about $200k per year, though no doubt he could manage to lose that in fairly short order.
his creditors will get that.
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Former presidents receive a pension of about $200k per year, though no doubt he could manage to lose that in fairly short order.
What type of pension will he get for working for Putin?
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