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Old 9th August 2019, 07:54 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
If Gaston was white he would have immediately drawn his weapon and killed that guard. Kept shooting until out of bullets.
Also, nice race baiting.
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Old 9th August 2019, 08:02 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
An LEO is continuously "performing his official duties" the whole time he is on shift.
This is absolutely not true. There are all kinds of things a cop can do while on shift that are not any part of "performing his official duties".

Entering your home without a warrant or probable cause, for example.

Buying groceries, for another.

Patrolling outside of his assigned area.

Torturing a suspect to extract a false confession.

Traveling outside his jurisdiction without having been assigned any task there.

Visiting a federal facility on a personal errand.

Etc.

A badge and a radio aren't magic. They don't magically transform everything a cop does into "official duties".

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Or look at it this way: Of all the times PT has posted a hyperbolic and sarcastic rebuttal to a strawman argument nobody was making, this is not one of those times.

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Old 9th August 2019, 02:24 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
This is absolutely not true. There are all kinds of things a cop can do while on shift that are not any part of "performing his official duties".

Entering your home without a warrant or probable cause, for example.

Buying groceries, for another.

Patrolling outside of his assigned area.

Torturing a suspect to extract a false confession.

Traveling outside his jurisdiction without having been assigned any task there.

Visiting a federal facility on a personal errand.

Etc.

A badge and a radio aren't magic. They don't magically transform everything a cop does into "official duties".

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Or look at it this way: Of all the times PT has posted a hyperbolic and sarcastic rebuttal to a strawman argument nobody was making, this is not one of those times.
Really? Want to post some section of law of abstracts of his departmental polices? You've shown yourself to be completely uninformed and wrong on this several times now. You'll excuse us if we just don't take your word for it.
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Old 12th August 2019, 06:16 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
1. Rent-a-Cop drew down on a uniformed Law Enforcement Officer while that Officer was leaving the building in compliance with his request.

2. Rent-a-Cop has been charged, i.e., the police regard him to carry the liability for what happened, and I am not at all surprised by that.

Whether or not the Sheriff's Deputy was or was not in the wrong to be carrying his weapon into the building is neither here nor there, and is irrelevant, although it is worth noting that he hasn't been charged with anything, either by the Sherriff's Office or the Feds. That is a pretty clear indication that neither of those law enforcement bodies see him as having done anything against the Law.
Like drawing a weapon is a serious thing, it is a total non event when a cop threatens someone with a gun for no reason after all.
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Old 12th August 2019, 12:18 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Well, I just plain disagree.
I would give that more weight if you could point to the errors in DevilsAdvocates well written and rather complete analysis. That is sort of how online discussions typically flow.


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And I agree with the cop, his colleagues, Craig4 and the Toledo DA who has charged the Rent-a-Cop, but has not charged the Sheriff's Deputy with any breach of the Law. Now whether or not that declination to charge was because what he did wasn't illegal, or was illegal but was not considered worth pursuing, we'll probably never know unless the DA makes a statement one way or the other, but you would think that if he thought both broke the law, they would either both be charged, or neither would be charged. However, that is not what he did.
The Toledo DA did not charge the cop for any of the reasons you cite. Care to guess why?

The Toledo DA can't charge anyone for breach of a federal statute.

That the feds have not charged the cop is not surprising. They are thoroughly embarrassed by the actions of their Security guard, who was completely right up until he went very wrong and pulled his gun on a retreating LEO.
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Old 12th August 2019, 12:20 PM   #326
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Really? Want to post some section of law of abstracts of his departmental polices? You've shown yourself to be completely uninformed and wrong on this several times now. You'll excuse us if we just don't take your word for it.
How could his departmental policy have any impact on federal law?

Please reread DevilsAdvocates post and answer this simple question: what official duty was he there to perform?
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