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Old 25th July 2019, 10:30 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
It's a damn shame.

The reporter on this story did an outstanding job of chronicling this absolute quagmire of bizarre schemes and personal misery. Why can't people just enjoy things without trying to turn them into some sort of political cudgel?
Because bashing the weirdos who would even think of such a relationship is why it is enjoyable.
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Old 25th July 2019, 10:32 AM   #42
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I think there's a lot of Schadenfreude about this because the victim himself tried to get political against conservatives before this all blew up in his face, so there's a sense of Karmic retribution going on here.
Not for me. I ran into a couple places where that was a footnote or sidebar to the story, but I hadn't been following this guy's career and really didn't care about any of that.

For me, the big question is, why did he agree to this piece, with photos and everything?

I keep oscillating between

"this guy is a willful jackass who deserves everything that's happening to him, including the heaping of public scorn and ridicule that he signed up for when he agreed to interview for this story"

and

"this guy is clearly in serious cognitive-emotional distress, and has been for years. It's horrible the way he's been exploited by everyone including this reporter and their publisher. It's shameful the way we're pointing and laughing at this poor man, to indulge our own prurient interests."
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How much was Harvard charging for his class on good judgment?
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Old 25th July 2019, 10:52 AM   #45
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How much was Harvard charging for his class on good judgment?
Whatever the market will bear, probably. Which raises another interesting question: Will the market be less intereste in paying Harvard's rates, after this story? Probably not.

Knowing that your professor of judgement may be involved in an abusive psychosexual relationship with an ex-wife, a lesbian mother, and a transsexual au pair, as the victim, while various children orbit the periphery, probably adds a valuable frisson to your Harvard Law school experience. Maybe other Ivy League universities will start to offer similar amenities to their own students.

Heh. "Start to."
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Old 25th July 2019, 11:03 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"this guy is a willful jackass who deserves everything that's happening to him, including the heaping of public scorn and ridicule that he signed up for when he agreed to interview for this story"

and

"this guy is clearly in serious cognitive-emotional distress, and has been for years. It's horrible the way he's been exploited by everyone including this reporter and their publisher. It's shameful the way we're pointing and laughing at this poor man, to indulge our own prurient interests."
I's put it a bit differently. He was indoctrinated into a leftist ideology which left him defenseless against a certain sort of predator that exploited the weaknesses of that ideology. And even now, like a hostage with Stockholm syndrome, he can't correctly identify that it wasn't just Haider and Schuman who have screwed him over.
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Old 25th July 2019, 11:16 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I's put it a bit differently. He was indoctrinated into a leftist ideology which left him defenseless against a certain sort of predator that exploited the weaknesses of that ideology. And even now, like a hostage with Stockholm syndrome, he can't correctly identify that it wasn't just Haider and Schuman who have screwed him over.
I dunno if I'd go that far. It's tempting, and seems like it would be a slam dunk. But I think "believe all women who tell you they're lesbians and they want the D" is more Penthouse-Pornhub indoctrination than it is progressive indoctrination.

Though I guess there's an argument to be made that progressive themes like "believe all women" and "accept personal narratives without question" will leave one more susceptible to badger games and the like.

Me?

Crazy talk gives me chills. Like, literally raises the hairs on my body.

I'd like to think that if my lesbian girlfriend's transsexual BFF started complaining that I'd ruined their lives by giving the lesbian pregnancy-cancer, I'd go from "that's crazy talk" to "wait a minute, this whole thing is crazy, I'm out!" pretty damn fast.

Come to think of it, I have ghosted on a couple of relationships, simply because some of the other people involved seemed to have boundary and judgement issues that made me uncomfortable.

So i probably would have noped out of this one somewhere between "lesbian who wants the D" and "turns out my out of town girlfriend isn't as from out of town as she claimed".
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I get the answer it is always funny and enjoyable to watch someone get taken advantage of by a sociopath.
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I get the answer it is always funny and enjoyable to watch someone get taken advantage of by a sociopath.
Not always, but sometimes. Mel Brooks articulated the principle nicely. The Germans even have a word for it.

What exactly is the nature of your concern?
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The article suggests that the man here may have some degree of autism
Doesn't everybody, these days?
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I'd like to think this is the sane and sensible society version of "nothing about this story seems sane or sensible." But the weirdly political reactions of some give me reason to believe that this isn't actually a sane and sensible society thread at all.
Everything is political, now.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I dunno if I'd go that far. It's tempting, and seems like it would be a slam dunk. But I think "believe all women who tell you they're lesbians and they want the D" is more Penthouse-Pornhub indoctrination than it is progressive indoctrination.
I think it's testosterone indoctrination. The "my penis is special!" bizarrery.
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Old 25th July 2019, 12:06 PM   #53
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I think it's testosterone indoctrination. The "my penis is special!" bizarrery.
You must be a woman.

A man's penis is special. Only a woman would find that bizarre. In fact, we have a name for such women: lesbians.
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Old 26th July 2019, 03:26 AM   #55
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Is this the right wing version of a "Christian minister gets caught cheating on his wife" thread?
There are much better versions. Google "black male hooker democratic donor"
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partisan humor........the worse kind
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
At the risk of sounding like some pathetic MRA or incel scum, I'll just go ahead and make the following generalization:

Unless you are insanely handsome or otherwise irresistibly unattractive, a man receiving a strong come-on from a strange woman should be on high guard for manipulation. It's very unusual for an ordinary man to receive such direct sexual attention from an unknown woman without an ulterior motive.

Come on now, it happens in the movies and TV series all the time.
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Come on now, it happens in the movies and TV series all the time.
I could totally see a younger man, or, more realistically, a teen boy, being tricked by something like this. They just don't have the romantic experience to rely on to suss out such obvious scams.

This guy is middle aged, married, and divorced with kids. He's been around long enough to know that a woman flinging herself at him at a hardware store is suspicious.

I imagine a young woman driven by insatiable lust after an ordinary middle aged man is a compelling fantasy. "I want to believe!"
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Not the first time a professor has been taken advantage of. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/m...f-trouble.html
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What I find funny about this is how it is presented. This is for UK folk a Jeremy Kyle story but because the people aren't poor, lower class "plebs" it's all couched in artyfarty pretentious language. Boils down to old geezer thought he could get some sex from a younger woman no strings attached. He couldn't.
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Not the first time a professor has been taken advantage of. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/m...f-trouble.html
So this professor was duped into thinking Denise Milani was interested him (Milani was an Internet sensation about a decade ago, known for her slim waist and enormous breasts https://www.instagram.com/denisemilaniofficial/?hl=en ). How could a 68 year-old physicist believe she was interested in him? “Well, I have been accused of having a huge ego.”

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The amount of cocaine found in the bag Frampton was carrying was 1,980 grams. When asked why he’d been making this calculation, Frampton said: “My mind works in a strange way.” That evening, Frampton told me on the telephone, “I made those calculations in the airport office after having been arrested,” a fact that his defense team stressed the following day, noting Frampton’s tendency to make random calculations. They asked him to explain another notation on the same piece of paper that read “5 standard deviations 99.99994%.” “The criterion for the discovery of the Higgs boson had to be 5 standard deviations, which means it’s extremely unlikely to be a statistical fluctuation,” Frampton explained. He was “calculating the probability that Denise Milani would become my second wife, which was almost a certainty.” Pursuing this line of questioning, his lawyer asked whether Frampton was also calculating the weight of one of the judges.

“I’m embarrassed to admit it, but yes,” Frampton answered. “I calculated that he must weigh 100 kilos.”

“You calculated badly, as badly as you did about your second marriage,” the judge responded. “I’m 124 kilos.”
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So this professor was duped into thinking Denise Milani was interested him (Milani was an Internet sensation about a decade ago, known for her slim waist and enormous breasts https://www.instagram.com/denisemilaniofficial/?hl=en ). How could a 68 year-old physicist believe she was interested in him? “Well, I have been accused of having a huge ego.”
Look at those Bodacious Bosons!*



*although she is no Veronika Zemanova!!
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partisan humor........the worse kind
I was being serious. Google "black male hooker democratic donor." I was going to start a thread on the topic to illustrate "Black Lives Matter" only when it's convenient then I realized where I was at.
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I could totally see a younger man, or, more realistically, a teen boy, being tricked by something like this. They just don't have the romantic experience to rely on to suss out such obvious scams.

This guy is middle aged, married, and divorced with kids. He's been around long enough to know that a woman flinging herself at him at a hardware store is suspicious.

I imagine a young woman driven by insatiable lust after an ordinary middle aged man is a compelling fantasy. "I want to believe!"
Exactly it is just like when some grandparent falls for a nigerian scam or people thought going to Trump university would help them. There should be only scorn and derision for the "victims" of con artists. Why the con is and always has been high art in America why else would Trump be president? It is respect for his ability to con people out of their money.
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I was being serious. Google "black male hooker democratic donor." I was going to start a thread on the topic to illustrate "Black Lives Matter" only when it's convenient then I realized where I was at.
You could at least post a link, it's not like the story you're referring to hasn't been reported. It's probably worth a thread of its own, in fact.
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I's put it a bit differently. He was indoctrinated into a leftist ideology which left him defenseless against a certain sort of predator that exploited the weaknesses of that ideology. And even now, like a hostage with Stockholm syndrome, he can't correctly identify that it wasn't just Haider and Schuman who have screwed him over.
To be fair, there are similar weaknesses in right wing ideology that can potentially leave a person vulnerable to certain kinds of fraud. There are scammers who make a living off such people as well (examples available upon request).

But to your point, when advised by his de facto wife to get a paternity test, a sound and reasonable piece of advice under the circumstances, he reasoned that "it would have been insulting for a heterosexual cisgender man to question a professed lesbian as to whether she’d had sex with other men. He believed her when she said her sexual relationship with him was an exception." Of course, if one doesn't consider a trans woman to be a man, then it would be perfectly possible for one woman to impregnate another woman. Something he failed to consider, apparently. He didn't think to ask whether she had sex with a trans woman. As Reagan once said, "trust, but verify." He was too trusting in this case, but that is a common problem in almost all scams. They are almost always based on an abuse of trust.
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To be fair, there are similar weaknesses in right wing ideology that can potentially leave a person vulnerable to certain kinds of fraud. There are scammers who make a living off such people as well (examples available upon request).

But to your point, when advised by his de facto wife to get a paternity test, a sound and reasonable piece of advice under the circumstances, he reasoned that "it would have been insulting for a heterosexual cisgender man to question a professed lesbian as to whether she’d had sex with other men. He believed her when she said her sexual relationship with him was an exception." Of course, if one doesn't consider a trans woman to be a man, then it would be perfectly possible for one woman to impregnate another woman. Something he failed to consider, apparently. He didn't think to ask whether she had sex with a trans woman. As Reagan once said, "trust, but verify." He was too trusting in this case, but that is a common problem in almost all scams. They are almost always based on an abuse of trust.
And americans love those who abuse trust, like contractors trusting that a famous developer will actually pay them, those silly silly fools! They deserve to lose their business and us all to laugh at them.
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To be fair, there are similar weaknesses in right wing ideology that can potentially leave a person vulnerable to certain kinds of fraud. There are scammers who make a living off such people as well (examples available upon request).
Sure. Faith healers come to mind.

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But to your point, when advised by his de facto wife to get a paternity test, a sound and reasonable piece of advice under the circumstances, he reasoned that "it would have been insulting for a heterosexual cisgender man to question a professed lesbian as to whether she’d had sex with other men. He believed her when she said her sexual relationship with him was an exception." Of course, if one doesn't consider a trans woman to be a man, then it would be perfectly possible for one woman to impregnate another woman. Something he failed to consider, apparently.
The internal contradictions in such a mindset are dizzying.

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He didn't think to ask whether she had sex with a trans woman. As Reagan once said, "trust, but verify." He was too trusting in this case, but that is a common problem in almost all scams. They are almost always based on an abuse of trust.
If you subscribe to that brand of leftist ideology, there are certain people you are obliged to trust. It isn't optional.
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Here's a follow-up story; turns out the original article prompted six more men to come forward with their stories.
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well deserved

Really? Even the ones who were propositioned on the street, turned the woman down, and were subsequently stalked and harassed?

Maybe they were dressed provocatively, or something...?
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Out of morbid curiosity, I would love hear some explanation from this woman as to her predatory actions. Does she actually think she is justified in some way, or is it just 100% cynical grifting? She seems to use a lot of progressive tropes in her cons, wonder how much of it she actually believes.
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There are some things so stupid only a Harvard law professor could believe them.
Yeah, I'm sure this balances out all those hardline pro-"traditional family" and overtly anti-gay conservatives caught in flagrante in public toilets...
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I think that the homophobic gay conservatives are very well aware of what they are doing in public bathrooms, however much they're in denial about their sexual orientation. The professor probably wasn't, but he isn't very different in this respect from all the ordinary people looking for love, romance or just sex, nowadays often online, and getting conned. And as Brainster's link shows, this one appears to have been quite good at it.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Out of morbid curiosity, I would love hear some explanation from this woman as to her predatory actions. Does she actually think she is justified in some way, or is it just 100% cynical grifting? She seems to use a lot of progressive tropes in her cons, wonder how much of it she actually believes.
I think it's pathological or it's for ***** and giggles.

Speaking of ***** and giggles during the first story I actually wiki'd Mort Shuman. To my surprise he was actually married to Maria Pia and had a daughter of the same name.

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He died of cancer on 2 November 1991, leaving his wife, Maria-Pia and their four daughters, Maria-Cella, Barbara, Maria-Pia and Eva-Maria
And it seemed from the first article, that Mischa Haider was actually enrolled at Havard.

Weird.
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Old 12th August 2019, 03:20 AM   #77
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I's put it a bit differently. He was indoctrinated into a leftist ideology which left him defenseless against a certain sort of predator that exploited the weaknesses of that ideology. And even now, like a hostage with Stockholm syndrome, he can't correctly identify that it wasn't just Haider and Schuman who have screwed him over.
I think scammers will now often claim to be of a protected class/marginalised minority as it makes it less likely people will come after them.
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