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Old 9th August 2019, 07:10 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Because they are part of the radicalization channel,
The marketplace of ideas? You mean the place were lies sell better than facts? Yeah, I don't know about that place.
Domestic terrorism comes in multiple forms, and to apparently obsess on one form over others like you seem to be doing takes vigilance away from the others, and humor or not, your above comment shows that Thought Policey nature of Lefty thought, just as much the the Righties love to Fear Monger.

Both just repeat their chosen mantras and cover their ears.
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That is textbook PC mob mentality and overreaction and this coming from a Non Republican. The issue is more nuanced than just oh my god Racists with Guns.

Firstly, ANYONE can be a bigot towards a group they don't like, and censoring free speech and restricting one's right to defend themselves in a dangerous world are things some of us are not willing to part with. Especially with the level of Police Corruption minorities and others see on a daily basis.
Tough titties. Restrictions are coming. It'll take a while, and things will get worse and worse. Eventually, Democrats will break through GOP anti-democratic efforts to keep power, and there will be real restrictions on firearms.

As for your post as an answer to my post: it wasn't. You are not talking about what I was talking about.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Right Wing = Fear Mongering
Left Wing = Thought Police

is either really any better?
It's not "Thought police". It's "Action police". Murdering someone is an act, and so is plotting to murder someone.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Domestic terrorism comes in multiple forms, and to apparently obsess on one form over others like you seem to be doing takes vigilance away from the others, and humor or not, your above comment shows that Thought Policey nature of Lefty thought, just as much the the Righties love to Fear Monger.

Both just repeat their chosen mantras and cover their ears.
Domestic terrorism come mainly (in the case of lethal terrorism, only) from the right.

You can "bothsides" all you want. Doesn't change reality.
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Domestic terrorism come mainly (in the case of lethal terrorism, only) from the right.
I'm not sure I believe that. For one thing, I think most of these spree killings are the work of deranged individuals who read message boards and think they can blame their problems on right-wing ideals, because they see others doing it.

"I'm a hateful, cruel, twisted person...and everyone says the republicans are hateful, cruel and twisted, so I'll look there for a home"
"Gee, they don't want me, either. Apparently no one does."

<shooting spree, suicide>

Wow! Look what that nut did! It's the PragerU's / Right Wing / Conservatives / Founding Father's / King Henry's / Caesar's fault!

Put the blame where it belongs: the jerk who acted. Stop looking for someone else -or something else- to blame and start looking for other patterns or other common denominators that lead to these horrific outcomes.

Personally, I think mental illness and personal setbacks seem to be two of the biggest red flags. So why aren't we talking about more ways to help these people before they lose all hope and become angry to the core?
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Leftist Domestic Terrorism: Antifaa, the ELF.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Domestic terrorism come mainly (in the case of lethal terrorism, only) from the right.

You can "bothsides" all you want. Doesn't change reality.
The ELF: Leftist organized arsonists
Antifaa: Leftist/Anarchist Goon squads

The left is well versed as well.
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It's not "Thought police". It's "Action police". Murdering someone is an act, and so is plotting to murder someone.
No: It's forcing your beliefs and PC nonsense onto others, that is literally Thought Police, and just as bad as the Right Wing fear mongering.
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Somebody actually uses the acronym ELF? They must get a lot of Santa Claus and Galadriel jokes.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Tough titties. Restrictions are coming. It'll take a while, and things will get worse and worse. Eventually, Democrats will break through GOP anti-democratic efforts to keep power, and there will be real restrictions on firearms.

As for your post as an answer to my post: it wasn't. You are not talking about what I was talking about.
Except it won't be Democratic power if you get your way, it will an Authoritarian/Orwellian Thought Police backed up initially by Antifaa and the like. History forgets that Nazi literally means Nationalist SOCIALIST....

It was Italy that was Fascist
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It was Italy that was Fascist
Labels aside, what are the distinguishing characteristics of fascism?

Whatever list you come up with, I'd be surprised if those characteristics were historically exemplified by Benito but not Adolph.
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Somebody actually uses the acronym ELF? They must get a lot of Santa Claus and Galadriel jokes.
Not as bad a choice as MILF.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Except it won't be Democratic power if you get your way, it will an Authoritarian/Orwellian Thought Police backed up initially by Antifaa and the like. History forgets that Nazi literally means Nationalist SOCIALIST....

It was Italy that was Fascist
Surely you're not implying that Nazi's weren't blatantly authoritarian fascist because of the socialist nature of their economy? People also seem to forget that socialism is an economic system and not a system of gov't.

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Unlikely, others will fill the gaps left by those Censored, then they will be censored, and while the content they put out is offensive to some, it's just as easy to gain censorship over other content tomorrow. Like it or not Liberal fearmongering as just as bad as alt-right fear mongering.
Define "just as bad". Yielded as frequently? Maybe. Just as toxic? Don't buy that. Liberal fear mongering generally amounts to a broad net of anti-bigotry that is cast too widely (i.e. labeling ALL Trump supporters as bigots for example) while right wing fear mongering leads to proto-fascism (See: Muslim ban/rationalization and support of concentration camps, demonization and marginalization of the "other", ect) and actual racism.
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I'm not sure I believe that. For one thing, I think most of these spree killings are the work of deranged individuals who read message boards and think they can blame their problems on right-wing ideals, because they see others doing it.

"I'm a hateful, cruel, twisted person...and everyone says the republicans are hateful, cruel and twisted, so I'll look there for a home"
"Gee, they don't want me, either. Apparently no one does."

<shooting spree, suicide>

Wow! Look what that nut did! It's the PragerU's / Right Wing / Conservatives / Founding Father's / King Henry's / Caesar's fault!

Put the blame where it belongs: the jerk who acted. Stop looking for someone else -or something else- to blame and start looking for other patterns or other common denominators that lead to these horrific outcomes.

Personally, I think mental illness and personal setbacks seem to be two of the biggest red flags. So why aren't we talking about more ways to help these people before they lose all hope and become angry to the core?
No, I won't follow your advice. Because the US is dealing with a domestic terrorism issue, not simply a mental health issue.

Furthermore, whether you believe it or not, the fact that all extremists murders last year were committed by extremist rightwingers doesn't cease to be... a fact.
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Leftist Domestic Terrorism: Antifaa, the ELF.
Not terrorists.

The reason for them not being terrorists is the definition of the word "terrorism".
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No: It's forcing your beliefs and PC nonsense onto others, that is literally Thought Police, and just as bad as the Right Wing fear mongering.
Nope, it's not. Bothsidesisms, like the one you're desperately trying to spread now, is just Nazi apologia. Well done.
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Except it won't be Democratic power if you get your way, it will an Authoritarian/Orwellian Thought Police backed up initially by Antifaa and the like. History forgets that Nazi literally means Nationalist SOCIALIST....

It was Italy that was Fascist
Jeez.

This is a Poe, right?
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Labels aside, what are the distinguishing characteristics of fascism?

Whatever list you come up with, I'd be surprised if those characteristics were historically exemplified by Benito but not Adolph.
when criticizing the PC crowd's excesses of which there are many, maybe something like the Bolsheviks or the Taliban is better comparison, not so much in system of Government, but in how one of their first moves was to pacify the population, I'm referring to the agenda here, not the System. The PC agenda is just as sinister as any greed based Right wing fear mongering.

it's always easier to distract by pointing out the threat of the "other" rather than recognize the mutual but differing evils of both.
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when criticizing the PC crowd's excesses of which there are many, maybe something like the Bolsheviks or the Taliban is better comparison, not so much in system of Government, but in how one of their first moves was to pacify the population, I'm referring to the agenda here, not the System. The PC agenda is just as sinister as any greed based Right wing fear mongering.

it's always easier to distract by pointing out the threat of the "other" rather than recognize the mutual but differing evils of both.
You realize this isn't 4chan, right? Spreading filthy lies isn't earning you any points around here.
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Not terrorists.

The reason for them not being terrorists is the definition of the word "terrorism".
Antifaa; thugs inspiring riots, ELF: Organized arsonists.

Yes, Terrorists, just dont fit you packaged definition. Problematic to that pesky PC agenda.
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Antifaa; thugs inspiring riots, ELF: Organized arsonists.

Yes, Terrorists, just dont fit you packaged definition. Problematic to that pesky PC agenda.
It doesn't fit the definition of the word "Terrorism". That's the problem you're having.

You Russian by any chance? Something in the cadence.

ETA: Also, it's Antifa. Might want to update the memos.
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I never said they were, only that they're "right wing," which I think is pretty fair.
Sure, but unless your claim is that anything right-wing is part of a pipeline to white supremacy (in which case the claim is ridiculous on its face and need not be discussed further), then how are they relevant here?

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I didn't make any mistake. And I didn't claim that you said he was a white supremacist. I'm specifically criticizing your gateway theory, which I don't think holds water. This is how you (not me or Cullennz) brought him up:

"All it takes is stumbling across a few infographics on 4chan, or videos made by the "self-help" figures that pander to them specifically, like Stefan Molyneaux and Jordan Peterson. Then you have the simple, easy answer as to why you feel so bad about your life: it's because people are taking your opportunities."

That's exactly the opposite of message that Peterson is preaching. He's saying quite explicitly to stop blaming others and take responsibility for yourself. He's railing against the notion that you should blame other people for all your problems. People on the radical right AND the radical left do that all the time, and it's unhealthy. Seriously, what do you think identity politics is all about? The entire premise is that if you aren't a white cis male, people are taking away your opportunities. Marxism is similar. And he opposes both of those ideologies not because (as some on the radical right do) he thinks they're blaming the wrong targets, but because that's fundamentally the wrong way to go through life.

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Then you shouldn't have brought him up.
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You realize this isn't 4chan, right? Spreading filthy lies isn't earning you any points around here.
No it isn't, but you dont define things, another of the PC thought process, thinking you're in charge of of the Zeitgeist.
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No it isn't, but you dont define things, another of the PC thought process, thinking you're in charge of of the Zeitgeist.
The dictionary defines things.

ELF was a terrorist organisation. Antifa isn't. The difference between them is that one carried out terror attacks while the other didn't and doesn't.

ETA: I think it's kinda weird that ELF suddenly pops into the discussion. Was there a documentary linked on Stormfront about them recently, or was it simply in the last batch of notes passed down from Sergei at the ministry?
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Leftist Domestic Terrorism: Antifaa, the ELF.
Not terrorists.

The reason for them not being terrorists is the definition of the word "terrorism".
Eh?

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The ELF was classified as the top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in March 2001,[8][9] and its members classified as eco-terrorists.[10] On the lack of deaths from ELF attacks, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism has said, "I think we're lucky. Once you set one of these fires they can go way out of control."[11] The name came to public prominence when they were featured on the television show 60 Minutes in 2005.[12] The group was further highlighted in the 2011 Academy Award nominated documentary If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front.[13]
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The dictionary defines things.

ELF was a terrorist organisation. Antifa isn't. The difference between them is that one carried out terror attacks while the other didn't and doesn't.

ETA: I think it's kinda weird that ELF suddenly pops into the discussion. Was there a documentary linked on Stormfront about them recently, or was it simply in the last batch of notes passed down from Sergei at the ministry?
Antifaa instigates riots and is little better than the Brown shirts of old and the fact you seem to defend them isn't winning you any points, pal.
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Eh?
Was talking about Antifa(aaaaaa). See later posts.
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Antifaa instigates riots and is little better than the Brown shirts of old and the fact you seem to defend them isn't winning you any points, pal.
Antifa (one a at the end, Boris) has been known to attend riots. But they are much better than the "Brown shirts of old", or the new Brown shirts for that matter simply because of the fact that Nazis suck, and everyone and anyone who thinks differently is likely a Nazi - who sucks.

Also, I'm not your pal, buddy.
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It doesn't fit the definition of the word "Terrorism". That's the problem you're having.
ELF fits the FBI's definition of terrorism.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...-eco-terrorism
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Was talking about Antia(aaaaaa). See later posts.
who are still as much as terrorist threat as are ELF, the ALF or Sea Shepards. They hide behind a cause (Like the PC Agenda you espouse so lovingly), but advocate terroristic violence. Sympathizing with these negates your credibility in attacking my nonfilthy non lies.

Mine is historical truth, yours is agendistic propaganda.
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Old 9th August 2019, 11:38 AM   #111
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Antifa (one a at the end, Boris) has been known to attend riots. But they are much better than the "Brown shirts of old", or the new Brown shirts for that matter simply because of the fact that Nazis suck, and everyone and anyone who thinks differently is likely a Nazi - who sucks.

Also, I'm not your pal, buddy.
Antifa just havent flowered yet,

ALF: Terrorists
ELF: Terrorists
Sea Shepards: Considered terrorists throughout the world

Your sympathies are disturbing and I'll pass on your double ungood dystopia dream there, Guy.
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History forgets that Nazi literally means Nationalist SOCIALIST....

No, history doesn't forget that. You, however, seem to forget (or maybe simply ignore) that Hitler had the guys in the Nazi Party with slightly left-leaning tendencies killed in the Night of the Long Knives (Wikipedia). (Not entirely unlike the way that Stalin had all the communists killed in the USSR.)
What you also seem to be ignorant about is that the first people to end up in Nazi concentration camps were communists and socialists.
Maybe it's time for a little Snopes again:
Were Nazis Socialists? (Snopes)
Adolf Hitler was not a socialist (Vox)
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Old 9th August 2019, 11:40 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
who are still as much as terrorist threat as are ELF, the ALF or Sea Shepards. They hide behind a cause (Like the PC Agenda you espouse so lovingly), but advocate terroristic violence. Sympathizing with these negates your credibility in attacking my nonfilthy non lies.

Mine is historical truth, yours is agendistic propaganda.
No, yours is historical revisionism, including your ludicrous insinuation that the Nazis were left wing.

Look, we've had posters like you before, coming in demonstrating an appalling lack of understanding of the world around them and simultaneously a frantic drive to make as many erroneous posts as possible. Not all of them were Russian, but some, I'm sure, were.

My advice, take a bit of time and look around the forum and see if the latest 'fact' you just found out (or was given by Sergei) has actually been discussed and debunked in the past. Because right now, you are simply acting as a chew toy.
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This troll is a one-day wonder. Just ignore.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Antifa just havent flowered yet,

ALF: Terrorists
ELF: Terrorists
Sea Shepards: Considered terrorists throughout the world

Your sympathies are disturbing and I'll pass on your double ungood dystopia dream there, Guy.
I don't know if Alf is a terrorist, and I find it a bit strange that you are bringing environmental terrorism into this talk about extreme right wing terrorism. Could you explain that?
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This troll is a one-day wonder. Just ignore.
I'm having fun tho.

But yes yes, ignore the troll. I know.
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No, I won't follow your advice. Because the US is dealing with a domestic terrorism issue, not simply a mental health issue.

Furthermore, whether you believe it or not, the fact that all extremists murders last year were committed by extremist rightwingers doesn't cease to be... a fact.
(shrug)

When this just keeps happening, featuring far more disenfranchised people from all walks, let's not pretend there wasn't something we could do to try to stop it.

Re the hilite: extremist murders probably covers a lot of ground; potentially far more than the mass/spree murders that make the headlines or those classed as "domestic terrorism" we're discussing here. So please provide proof that ALL of them were right-wing extremists.
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No, yours is historical revisionism, including your ludicrous insinuation that the Nazis were left wing.
Removing delusions, and wonder what affiliations you have. You seem to be a bit soft on Terroristic causes if they're lefty, ALL of them are bad, m'kay?
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This troll is a one-day wonder. Just ignore.
yes, yes, ignore the other sides points and act all smug in an echo chamber, that always works so well.

Retreat noted.
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Labels aside, what are the distinguishing characteristics of fascism?

Whatever list you come up with, I'd be surprised if those characteristics were historically exemplified by Benito but not Adolph.
The way I see it, Nazism was fascism+. With the '+' being "plus the Hitlerite perversion of raid anti-semitism." Italy and Spain show us what fascism really looked like, before Adolf Hitler ruined it for everyone.
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