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Old 13th August 2019, 08:09 PM   #121
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I think the good denisons of Hong Kong would say very differently right now.

I'd say the best bet is to change our culture in ways that make young white men want to be responsible fathers. That would mean more white women willing to bear their babies, and thus raise the white birth rate.

We need to make sure men are given the education they need to get good jobs, are paid wages they can raise families on, and are able to feel like valued members of society.
I said unlearn the gun culture not surrender your guns.

It's pervasive and I believe is at the root of reaching for your **** to solve all problems in your way.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:20 PM   #122
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It's pervasive and I believe is at the root of reaching for your **** to solve all problems in your way.
It founded the country. If someone like McSh*t thinks the country is in danger, they will attempt to defend it the same way.

We have to change the perceptions.

Right now, today, the financial system in this country is essentially a huge Ponzi scheme. We have to have a huge base of people paying taxes in to be able to continue funding all the things we've committed to paying for -education, military, NASA, the foreign aid we pay out...so it makes sense to me that a huge birth rate is a priority for keeping the country afloat.

If those who wish to keep the USA white can all be convinced to do their part by having -and more importantly raising- white babies, I think they can be placated. They will know they've done what they could, and the rest of the cards will fall where they will.

But....I don't know, at the end of the day, how that will really affect the number of school shootings or spree killings. It still seems like merely a convenient excuse, somehow.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:28 PM   #123
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I have said the same thing, that all of our financial plans are based on endless population and economic growth. It’s a Demographic Ponzi scheme. That does not work without significant immigration coupled with (bare minimum) replacement rate birth rates for the native population, which, looking elsewhere in the first world, doesn’t seem likely. So even more immigration, a lot more robots, colonizing other countries or some other combination of crazy schemes.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:31 PM   #124
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But....I don't know, at the end of the day, how that will really affect the number of school shootings or spree killings. It still seems like merely a convenient excuse, somehow.
I don't suspect it will. I suspect some of the so-called right wing extremist shootings we've seen recently merely piggyback on what the purveyors of those beliefs set up for them. Take Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, perpetrator of the 2016 Nice truck attack. They say he wasn't particularly religious or anything, but he was known as a violent and unstable nutcase before his very brief experience with militant Islam, which he probably identified with culturally more than religiously.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:42 PM   #125
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I suspect some of the so-called right wing extremist shootings we've seen recently merely piggyback on what the purveyors of those beliefs set up for them.
Exactly! Grabbing an excuse like that probably seems like a good way to prevent anyone investigating from finding the real causes -and thus blocking the path for others in the future, and for creating a set of sympathizers who believe he was acting on their behalf.

But, I think, if we keep bringing these cretins in alive, and keep building up information about who they are and what is going on in their lives when they commit these acts, we'll eventually put our thumbs right on the problem.
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Old 13th August 2019, 09:11 PM   #126
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Exactly! Grabbing an excuse like that probably seems like a good way to prevent anyone investigating from finding the real causes -and thus blocking the path for others in the future, and for creating a set of sympathizers who believe he was acting on their behalf.

But, I think, if we keep bringing these cretins in alive, and keep building up information about who they are and what is going on in their lives when they commit these acts, we'll eventually put our thumbs right on the problem.
I think there are plenty of case studies available already. There appears to be a consistent profile. A series of disappointments, maybe a history of physically or sexually violent behavior, and then they snap.

What problem do we need to put our thumb on in that situation?

Screen the population for narcissists and psychotic individuals and prevent them from making devil babies.
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Old 13th August 2019, 09:27 PM   #127
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What problem do we need to put our thumb on in that situation?
I'm not sure. But as these things continue to happen, either we don't know what's causing it and need to find out, or we do know and need to change something.

Do narcissists and psychotic individuals make devil babies? If they do, you're probably on to something. But if not, we're still grabbing at convenient excuses -guns, video games, or whatever it is this week.
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Old 13th August 2019, 11:31 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Caucasians make up only slightly more than half of the US population, but are responsible for 90% of school shootings.
What is your source for this statistic, by the way?
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Old 14th August 2019, 05:54 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
What is your source for this statistic, by the way?

It really depends on your definitions and methods:

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According to the study, white and Asian mass murderers perpetrated crimes with more victims, on average, and they were more likely to carry out those crimes in public places. Nearly one-fourth of the white mass murderers and one-fifth of the Asians in the group engaged in public killings. Among the black mass murderers, this proportion was just 6 percent.
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The whites-are-overrepresented-among-mass-shooters meme does serve a useful purpose in that it helps displace another myth about mass shootings: that they’re most often perpetrated by angry immigrants from travel-banned countries, and that nothing is more dangerous to America that the scourge of Islamic terrorism. By shifting focus from this hazy, overstated foreign threat to something clearly U.S.-made, the meme also calls attention to the tilted rhetoric that surrounds such killings. It forces us to grapple with the biased language of “lone wolves” and who, exactly, gets to be a “terrorist.” It also makes us notice the opportunist invocation (or disregard) of mental illness, and it casts a light on our desperate need to find a motive for acts of utter evil. These are worthy ends, but we shouldn’t have to build another myth to reach them.
Mass Shooters Aren’t Disproportionately White - Where the myth came from, and what it gets right and wrong about the demographics of mass killings. (Slate, )
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Old 14th August 2019, 12:29 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by DragonLady View Post
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If those who wish to keep the USA white can all be convinced to do their part by having -and more importantly raising- white babies, I think they can be placated. They will know they've done what they could, and the rest of the cards will fall where they will.

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Not likely, when all it takes for that bunch to see someone as 'not white' can be as simple as that someone having a parent with a Spanish sounding name.

It really doesn't matter if the parent has any Spanish ancestry or not.
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Old 14th August 2019, 03:26 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
What is your source for this statistic, by the way?

Good question. According to the 2010 Census, caucasians make up 72% of the population, not barely over 50% as claimed in the OP. This has probably changed slightly in 10 years but there's no way it's in 50% range.

You wanna talk about California then that is another matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
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Old 14th August 2019, 04:07 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
It really depends on your definitions and methods:
Translation: if you cherry pick your data, you can make it say whatever you want. The premise of the OP is false.
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Old 14th August 2019, 04:24 PM   #133
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How did it take 4 pages to get to this? lol
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How did it take 4 pages to get to this? lol
Yeah, I was wondering that myself, since no citation was given in the OP, so I just had to ask.

I like to make sure that a question is based on a valid premise before I try to answer it.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Good question. According to the 2010 Census, caucasians make up 72% of the population, not barely over 50% as claimed in the OP. This has probably changed slightly in 10 years but there's no way it's in 50% range.

You wanna talk about California then that is another matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
US Census categorizes Hispanic and Latinos as white with a "designated ethnicity." The mestizos who don't speak of lick of English are categorized as "white." The US "Non-hispanic White" population, colloquially referred to as "white people," was about 61% in 2010. It will likely be closer to 56% for the 2020 census.
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US Census categorizes Hispanic and Latinos as white with a "designated ethnicity." The mestizos who don't speak of lick of English are categorized as "white." The US "Non-hispanic White" population, colloquially referred to as "white people," was about 61% in 2010. It will likely be closer to 56% for the 2020 census.

The French who "who don't speak of lick of English" might also be categorized as "white".

Also Germans, Dutch, etc., etc.

It isn't necessary to speak English to be categorized as "white"

Unless you're a raving bigot.
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US Census categorizes Hispanic and Latinos as white with a "designated ethnicity." The mestizos who don't speak of lick of English are categorized as "white." The US "Non-hispanic White" population, colloquially referred to as "white people," was about 61% in 2010. It will likely be closer to 56% for the 2020 census.
Luckily there are enclaves like Hayden Lake and Spokane Valley where men are men (with children) and mestizos are blood sucking insects.
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Ooh, mestizos. How edgy.
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Ooh, mestizos. How edgy.

He's got to really work hard to beat stuff like "childless white Europeans".
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