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Old Today, 07:35 PM   #2641
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
How could a president put any permanent limits in place? If he did it by executive order, it could be rescinded by the next president. Laws passed by Congress can be repealed. Even amendments can be undone, though unlikely.
In the end, there is really no defense against voters messing up and putting bad people into office. That is Democracy's achilles heel. You can't fix that by any law or rule.
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Old Today, 07:38 PM   #2642
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Send him a copy of Howard Zin's A People’s History of the United States. I believe he includes a chapter on how unprepared US students are for history classes when they reach college because they've only been taught the fairy tale version.
Howard Zinn's version is just as wonky as the Fairy Tale Version.
He goes to the other extreme.
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Old Today, 07:42 PM   #2643
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It would be a waste of time. He's one of those who sees everything through a black and white lens; he sees no gray. Libtards=bad America haters, Conservatives=good patriots.
True, but ..as someone who has a Bachelor Degree in History...Zinn's version is pretty black and white also.
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Old Today, 07:43 PM   #2644
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I'm going to give myself half a "I called it" point for the comment on Giuliani. It's kinda a toss up as to where secrets go to die.... Giuliani's brain or Trump's?
Giuliani has gone from America's Mayor to Trump's Chump.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
In the end, there is really no defense against voters messing up and putting bad people into office. That is Democracy's achilles heel. You can't fix that by any law or rule.
That is what the Electoral College is supposed to prevent.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
That is what the Electoral College is supposed to prevent.
How would the Electorial COllge prevent people from voting a bunch of idiots into congress?
My point is ANY Democratic system is vulnerable to the stupidity of voters..and there is no easy fix.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
How would the Electorial COllge prevent people from voting a bunch of idiots into congress?

My point is ANY Democratic system is vulnerable to the stupidity of voters..and there is no easy fix.
Presidential veto.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Howard Zinn's version is just as wonky as the Fairy Tale Version.
He goes to the other extreme.
It's off topic or I'd fight you on this one. Historians are never perfect. But you can't compare a realistic version that may not get everything right with fairy tales like Betsy Ross and Washington's cherry tree.
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Old Today, 09:32 PM   #2649
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Well, a lot of things in a democracy are fundamentally based on convention, on a kind of a common trust that "that sort of thing cannot be done". Obviously there are laws and courts, checks and balances, but they too are surprisingly largely based on convention too. "If the president does this, the Congress and the courts will prevent him." But what if they don't - the laws still exist, but they are not enforced. This is what is currently happening in many Western states, not just the US. Scary times. And, yes, the fundamental problem is not Trump but the fact that he got elected and is still blindly supported by over 40% of the voters and one of the two major parties. That is simply terrifying.
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