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Old 11th October 2021, 03:27 PM   #3561
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It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
Actually, quite the contrary. Money allows me to be free. I can simply pay others to do things that I would rather not do.

And contrary to your belief, I'm perfectly willing to compensate someone fairly for their work.
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Old 11th October 2021, 06:27 PM   #3562
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It is a custom for you, you can't imagine a free world when you' ve always be a slave.
I'm not a slave. I'm a master. Slaves like you put money in my pocket. I am a poster child for American, white, middle class, capitalistic, heterosexual, educated, protestant privilege. I'm not a one-percenter in the American economy, but I'm pretty sure I am in the world, and then some. I can imagine a free world, but I can't imagine why I would want it, at least not your vision of it.


Seriously, I am all that, but also seriously, I would much rather imagine a world that is better, more equitable, more honest. Not your roiling mess of shortage, incompetency, ruin and impractical faith. Pie in the sky is nice to imagine, but you cannot eat it.
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Old 12th October 2021, 10:16 AM   #3563
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No that is not what you said, you said god was a servant. Yet Christ said god is the only master you should serve.


So again, which is it?

Again, even people without education understand that simply contradicting one's self means no one can agree with you. Because you just can't even agree with simply yourself.
Servants are the real masters people with education understand that
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Old 12th October 2021, 10:50 AM   #3564
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I won that debate widely, it just take a few people to make a revolution and i won more than i need, i am not really sure if you fellows exist your post could just be out of a dirty agency computer.
How do I know yours is not? It would certainly account for the linguistic oddities.
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Servants are the real masters people with education understand that
The "real masters" of what? The servants?

Why do you want to go against Christ's instructions by serving more than one master and hence (by your assertion) being one of those "real masters" yourself?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Servants are the real masters people with education understand that
More gibberish. Joy.
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:04 AM   #3567
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i presume that you are fully vaccinated to get your money slave
You presume incorrectly.

For the record, I got my first dose yesterday and will get the second in a month. The sorting hat put me in House Moderna. I've put it off as long as I could, for personal reasons, but the deadline is Nov 22, and is to be "fully vaccinated by Nov 22" and the reading of that is to be complete is 2 weeks post shot, so I'll be just under the deadline.

As far as the slave comment goes, your concept of having to work for money (and having to work for goods and services in your world) being slavery, my position would be more of the house Negro, than the field hand. Come to think of it, your ideal worlds turns us into field hands.

Field hand (Gaetan worker) - MUST work to eat, no vacation time, no weekends (work to eat).

Salaried employee (Gaetan "slave") 6 figure salary, 6 weeks of vacation, 2 weeks of sick time, weekends off!

I wasn't born into that, I was educated in the public system, joined the Marines as I didn't really have the resources to go to college, VA bill into college, worked some not great entry level jobs, got hired at the IRS, and worked and applied my way up the ladder to GS 13. The IRS hired me because I was a vet with a college degree, so nothing special there. Dues were paid, but it is something anyone could have done. And it's not the only path, the problem is that you are bone idle and demand everything that I've earned be handed to you. That's both soul crushing and offensive.
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:11 AM   #3568
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You presume incorrectly.

For the record, I got my first dose yesterday and will get the second in a month. The sorting hat put me in House Moderna.
Sweden and some European countries stopped vaccination with moderna for people less than 30 years old because it cause hart deseases, just be carefull with pharmas products, their gaol is money profit not your health.
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Serious question Gaetan, what Industry do you work in. Macro level, if answering this question bothers you. I ask because, at least in the US the labor market is sideways and employees are in a really good place to seek new jobs or raises. Have you done either of those things?

My offer to assist you with your CV still stands. I can't speak for everyone here but I'm certain the vast majority here would help you tune it up to help you with your financial situation.
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The "real masters" of what? The servants?

Why do you want to go against Christ's instructions by serving more than one master and hence (by your assertion) being one of those "real masters" yourself?
Mark 9:35
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Sweden and some European countries stopped vaccination with moderna for people less than 30 years old because it cause hart deseases, just be carefull with pharmas products, their gaol is money profit not your health.
While the multibillion dollar a year, and generally unregulated, supplement and vitamin industry you tout is only interested in, what, your wellbeing?


Based on your displays and assertions here, they've not only missed that goal but have stolen the ball and run off the field.
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:35 AM   #3572
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Sweden and some European countries stopped vaccination with moderna for people less than 30 years old because it cause hart deseases, just be carefull with pharmas products, their gaol is money profit not your health.
I crossed the 30 year used by date a decade or 2 ago. I'm always careful with pharma products and only take substances that have been fully vetted by the experts and not what is being shilled by hucksters (and known fraudsters).
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Sweden and some European countries stopped vaccination with moderna for people less than 30 years old because it cause hart deseases, just be carefull with pharmas products, their gaol is money profit not your health.
Wrong as usual. It does not "cause hart deseases (sic)," it increases by a slight amount the risk of one specific heart disease.

Fortunately some of us are over 30, and enjoying the lack of side effects we got from the Moderna. I'm just hoping the booster will be approved soon.
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Sweden and some European countries stopped vaccination with moderna for people less than 30 years old because it cause hart deseases,
Jennifer Hart? Bret Hart? Which Hart do you mean?

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just be carefull with pharmas products, their gaol is money profit not your health.
It is "careful" only one "l". "gaol" means prison.

I guess we are back to the persona that cannot communicate clearly. I wonder whose next on shift.
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Mark 9:35
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Who cares what a stupid old book says? Do you really think donkeys can talk? That snakes can talk AND walk? That a global flood happened? That slavery is moral? That genocide is moral? That incest is moral? That human sacrifice is moral? That jebus even existed?
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Who cares what a stupid old book says? Do you really think donkeys can talk? That snakes can talk.
Yes, not in this world but the other. A spirit dog talked to me.
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Fortunately some of us are over 30, and enjoying the lack of side effects we got from the Moderna.
Those vaccines caused over millions of side effects and only 1% are reported, you are not informed correctly.
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Yes, not in this world but the other. A spirit dog talked to me.
That's called a schizophrenic delusion. Please go to a doctor and get help. You really, really need it.
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Yes, not in this world but the other. A spirit dog talked to me.
And in what world was that? If, as you suggest, it was in the other world and not this one, it's not very relevant to an argument about this one, is it? Make up your mind.
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Those vaccines caused over millions of side effects and only 1% are reported, you are not informed correctly.
I will now type a word which I am pretty sure the autocensor will render as asterisks (at least I hope so). Some authors have noted the resemblance of the asterisk to a certain orifice. Here are 8 in a row: ********.
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Those vaccines caused over millions of side effects and only 1% are reported, you are not informed correctly.
But covid related deaths are in the millions so it would be mathematically in your favor to get vaccinated.
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But covid related deaths are in the millions so it would be mathematically in your favor to get vaccinated.
But of course if you believe one set of statistics is biased by 99 percent, why not believe the other is too? All those covid deaths were really just people falling down in the bathtub or eating too many jelly donuts. And some of them are probably still alive, living in the basement and pretending to be mice.
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Those vaccines caused over millions of side effects and only 1% are reported, you are not informed correctly.
Millions of side effects? Name them. I'll get you started - injection site soreness, general fatigue. Two down, 1,999,998 to go. Shouldn't be hard, as you are informed correctly.
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Millions of side effects? Name them. I'll get you started - injection site soreness, general fatigue. Two down, 1,999,998 to go. Shouldn't be hard, as you are informed correctly.
Here is some info from US and WHO very easy to find:

https://ugetube.com/watch/who-databa...zNArujcnBszQil
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That's a crank website. Why do you only ever link to lunatics Gaetan?
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That's a crank website. Why do you only ever link to lunatics Gaetan?
Birds of a feather, flock together?
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Here is some info from US and WHO very easy to find:

https://ugetube.com/watch/who-databa...zNArujcnBszQil
I asked you to list them. A database with over 2 million reports is not the same as 2 million side effects. For example, the two I listed are the most common, injection site discomfort and fatigue. If 2 million people list both of them, we have, not 4 million side effects, but 2.

Just out of curiosity, is there a database that tracks side effects from supplements? Or does the lack of "money profit" make them safe? When are we getting the Gaetan approved list of vaccines? or was that just another lie?
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Mark 9:35
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35 Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, “Anyone who wants to be first must be the very last, and the servant of all.”

So there Christ was clearly the master telling the rest how they should behave and how things would proceed. It says nothing about Christ being a servant nor that "Servants are the real masters". In fact it only places one, "the very last", as the "the servant of all". So only one servant and "all" the rest their masters.
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Yes, not in this world but the other. A spirit dog talked to me.
The son of sam believed one talked to him as well.
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Those vaccines caused over millions of side effects and only 1% are reported, you are not informed correctly.
So exactly how were you informed of unreported side effects?!?!?

With 6.6 billion people having at least one dose, at just 1% that would be 66 million having experienced (reported) side effects. You aren't even uninformed correctly.

ETA: Sorry the 6.6 B was just doses given. So going off the 2.83 B fully vaccinated and 1% still gives 28 million (reported) side effects.
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Unreported reports are the best kind, smooth and creamy with just that little hint of brimstone.

Gaetan reminds me a bit of my mom when she was suffering from dementia. She loved to buy books with titles like "200 Secrets Nobody will tell you," and " Facts that Nobody Knows." I used to be bombarded with email spam advertising "The Forbidden CD" and its other iterations, unobtainable except of course for the privileged few.

It's a pity he doesn't like money, or else he could have gotten those millions of $USD so kindly offered by the residual legatees of the King of Gondwanaland, or found in abandoned suitcases in the Entebbe airport.
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I asked you to list them. A database with over 2 million reports is not the same as 2 million side effects. For example, the two I listed are the most common, injection site discomfort and fatigue. If 2 million people list both of them, we have, not 4 million side effects, but 2.
If you see just 1% is reported to US data this is shown in the data, then as you see 16,000 deaths in US this means 1,600,000 deaths caused by vaccines and it is just a biginning, of course medias don't talk about that that why you don't know.
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If you see just 1% is reported to US data this is shown in the data, then as you see 16,000 deaths in US this means 1,600,000 deaths caused by vaccines and it is just a biginning, of course medias don't talk about that that why you don't know.
I think you may be confusing some assertion of 1% of people vaccinated experiencing significant side effects with only 1% of side effects experienced being reported. They ain't the same thing.

Either way, if you have a source that actually says 16,000 deaths due to the vaccines in the USA then that means exactly just that. You don't get to simply tack on another unreported 99% and then bemoan that people don't know what even you explicitly assert to be, well, unreported.

ETA: A little fact checking... Total deaths in the USA by year


2016 2,744,248
2017 2,813,503
2018 2,839,205
2019 2,854,838

2020 3,400,000 (not official yet)

So a 20% increase from 2019 (572,000) 350,000 of which are directly attributed to COVID. So even the total increase (all deaths) from 2019 to 2020 in less than one third you're stated 1,600,000 vaccine deaths.

From here it looks like 2021 increase is only about 1.09 percent from 2020.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...tes/death-rate

Your assertions are without any factual basis whatsoever.
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I think you may be confusing some assertion of 1% of people vaccinated experiencing significant side effects with only 1% of side effects experienced being reported. They ain't the same thing.

Either way, if you have a source that actually says 16,000 deaths due to the vaccines in the USA then that means exactly just that. You don't get to simply tack on another unreported 99% and then bemoan that people don't know what even you explicitly assert to be, well, unreported.

ETA: A little fact checking... Total deaths in the USA by year


2016 2,744,248
2017 2,813,503
2018 2,839,205
2019 2,854,838

2020 3,400,000 (not official yet)

So a 20% increase from 2019 (572,000) 350,000 of which are directly attributed to COVID. So even the total increase (all deaths) from 2019 to 2020 in less than one third you're stated 1,600,000 vaccine deaths.

From here it looks like 2021 increase is only about 1.09 percent from 2020.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...tes/death-rate

Your assertions are without any factual basis whatsoever.
You got to multiply every figures by one hundred since just 1% is reported.
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You got to multiply every figures by one hundred since just 1% is reported.
So you keep saying, but anyone can say any nonsense. Elsewhere conspiracy theorists have opined that the report of Covid deaths is inflated to far over 100 percent.

Who runs this complicated cabal and how is that only you see to understand it?
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Old 18th October 2021, 11:23 AM   #3596
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You got to multiply every figures by one hundred since just 1% is reported.
No you don't and as shown, you can't. As it would mean even more people would have to die from just the vaccine than actually have died from, well, everything. The annual increase in the total death rates don't support your claims. Also if you take 1% of something and multiply that by 100 you get, well, 100% of that thing. So 100 times 1% of those vaccinated is simply 100% of those vaccinated.
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If you see just 1% is reported to US data this is shown in the data, then as you see 16,000 deaths in US this means 1,600,000 deaths caused by vaccines and it is just a biginning, of course medias don't talk about that that why you don't know.
You assume a bit of a sore arm is as likely to be reported as a death. Which is nuts. And you persist in getting that "caused by vaccines" thing wrong. We all know it's wrong. You're just making yourself look like a nut by repeating it.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
You assume a bit of a sore arm is as likely to be reported as a death. Which is nuts. And you persist in getting that "caused by vaccines" thing wrong. We all know it's wrong. You're just making yourself look like a nut by repeating it.
People who gets problem don't phone WHO to say hey, then just 1% is reported then if you have 16,000 death in US you got to multiply that figure by 100, the same with all deseases reported. 7 people off 10 vaccinated have problem and off this number a percentage will die.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You got to multiply every figures by one hundred since just 1% is reported.
It's a cliche, but citation needed.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
People who gets problem don't phone WHO to say hey, then just 1% is reported then if you have 16,000 death in US you got to multiply that figure by 100, the same with all deseases reported. 7 people off 10 vaccinated have problem and off this number a percentage will die.
Again multiplying "16,000 death in US" by 100 gives you almost 3 times the actual increase in the number of deaths (572,000) in the US from 2019 to 2020 from all causes (350,000 of which are directly attributed to COVID). If we exclude the number that died directly from COVID, your figure for just vaccine deaths is over 7 times the actual increase in deaths from everything. Heck, your figure for vaccine deaths is over 4 and a half times the COVID deaths for that period. Any way you slice it the increase in deaths rates (from no vaccine to vaccine) just don't support your claim.
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