[Continuation] The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread - Part II - Page 33

smartcooky · 17th September 2023, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Dumb ***** gonna **** dumb.

Emptee Gee still giving Louis Gohmert stiff competition for the dumbest person in Congress.

My bet is that she could not even point to Ukraine on a map, making her just one of 84% of Americans who also cannot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...ut_ukraine_on/

Trebuchet · 17th September 2023, 04:57 PM

Could she point to the USofA on a globe? Probably not. Likely a flat earther, anyhow.

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 04:59 PM

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

dudalb · 19th September 2023, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't agree with either of those two statements.

As someonw who is a very heavy duty Civil War buff, I fully agree.
Grant and Sheridan job was to crush the rebellion, which they did, dictating the post war policy toward the South was not their job. I agree that the failure to secure the rights of Blacks n the South was a disaster for the US, but it was not Grant and Sheridan's ' job to do that at least as far being generals go. Now when Grant was elected President, then it did become his job.
And I would like Gulliver to explain exactly what he would have replaced the constituion with. Probably a overwhelming powerfu central govenrment which would have reduced the states of administrative conviences, something which would not sell even today.

Darat · 20th September 2023, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?

ponderingturtle · 20th September 2023, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

True. I think the Peculiar Institution was dying anyway. The Industrial Revolution would have made slavery financially untenable and it would have ended eventually anyway. But that would not have helped those enslaved then..

Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize.

You would have at least a generation more slavery.

lobosrul5 · 20th September 2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

.... why should Americans give all that much concern as to where poles are made?! We should make them here!

Stacyhs · 21st September 2023, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?

True. And a ****-hole country at that!

Gulliver Foyle · 21st September 2023, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize.

You would have at least a generation more slavery.

Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.

Stacyhs · 21st September 2023, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.

Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

gnome · 21st September 2023, 07:29 PM

There will always be a desirable use for disposable people if it's allowed.

ponderingturtle · 22nd September 2023, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

The Great Zaganza · 22nd September 2023, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage.

MRC_Hans · 22nd September 2023, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage.

While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry.

Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them.

Hans

ZiprHead · 22nd September 2023, 09:35 AM

Unverified.

Stacyhs · 22nd September 2023, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing.

Stacyhs · 22nd September 2023, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

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I looked it up. It's real.

dudalb · 22nd September 2023, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...wQ&oe=6512805B

Comparing MTG to a Neandrathal is really unfair to Neadenthrals.

Mike! · 22nd September 2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

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If the loincloth fits, wear it.

Please.

The Great Zaganza · 22nd September 2023, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry.

Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them.

Hans

North Korea is using slave labor to pay for the luxury consumption of their Dear Leader, so that works, too, economically.

dudalb · 22nd September 2023, 06:47 PM

MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this.
IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more.
And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?

Norman Alexander · 22nd September 2023, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this.
IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more.
And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?

Answe to your question: she has no idea but probably everything.

Gulliver Foyle · 23rd September 2023, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today.

Susheel · 23rd September 2023, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today.

I don't really accept that Economics was a primary reason for the South to persist in the practice of slavery. I could have been primary in the early years of the practice, but towards the end I think it had become ingrained into the culture of the southern white experience and became considered an inherent part of southern white psyche. Eliminating slavery was thus seen as eliminating that bit of culture.

ponderingturtle · 23rd September 2023, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

I don't really accept that Economics was a primary reason for the South to persist in the practice of slavery. I could have been primary in the early years of the practice, but towards the end I think it had become ingrained into the culture of the southern white experience and became considered an inherent part of southern white psyche. Eliminating slavery was thus seen as eliminating that bit of culture.

And something enshrined in their constitution that was also the unifying cause of their existence. I think it would have persisted longer than people want to think. Now the question is with a triumphant confederacy, would they have successfully expanded southward as many planned on

MarkCorrigan · 23rd September 2023, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Answe to your question: she has no idea but probably everything.

I disagree. She would do it for free.

Stacyhs · 23rd September 2023, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing.

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today.

Originally Posted by Susheel

I don't really accept that Economics was a primary reason for the South to persist in the practice of slavery. I could have been primary in the early years of the practice, but towards the end I think it had become ingrained into the culture of the southern white experience and became considered an inherent part of southern white psyche. Eliminating slavery was thus seen as eliminating that bit of culture.

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

And something enshrined in their constitution that was also the unifying cause of their existence. I think it would have persisted longer than people want to think. Now the question is with a triumphant confederacy, would they have successfully expanded southward as many planned on

Please note that I won't respond to these, not that I don't have a response, but because it is off topic. I don't want to be held responsible for derailing the thread.

Andy_Ross · 28th September 2023, 12:10 AM

Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1.

It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene.

She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House.

The Don · 28th September 2023, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1.

It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene.

She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House.

I guess that's what happens when one party is no longer interested in governing - merely enriching themselves and staying in power (to allow themselves to continue to enrich themselves) - and where the leader of that party in the House is weak, has a tiny majority and therefore has to whore themselves out to retain support.

Of course the "adults" in the party could withdraw their support for some of the more outrageous suggestions from the right - but as noted above, they're not interested in actually governing.

Stacyhs · 28th September 2023, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1.

It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene.

She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House.

Austin wasn't the only target of the hateful MAGA Morons:

Quote:

As part of debate on the fiscal 2024 defense appropriations bill, GOP lawmakers approved multiple similar proposals to cut salaries for Defense Department positions they dislike.

The Pentagon’s director of diversity and inclusion, the head of the department’s equity and inclusion office, the military’s chief diversity officer, and the assistant secretary of defense for readiness — a transgender woman — were all targeted with amendments that would trim their annual salary to less than $1.

Austin, as Biden’s top civilian military leader, was lambasted by Republican lawmakers on the House floor Wednesday for the chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, the military’s recent recruiting shortfalls and COVID-19 vaccine policies during the pandemic.

“Many Americans agree: We do not want the United States’ military led by failure, causing us to be weak,” said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green, R-Ga. and sponsor of the Austin salary provision. “We need to pass this amendment.”

A proposal to cut Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley’s pay to $1 was also floated by Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., but dismissed by party leaders before Wednesday’s debate.

Green’s amendment was approved by a voice vote. Democrats did not press for a roll-call vote which may have prevented the provision from being adopted.

However, the pay cut is already unlikely to advance beyond the House, given Democratic control of the Senate and Democratic dissatisfaction with the defense budget bill. Party leaders have already publicly opposed the appropriations plan over Republicans’ inclusion of controversial social policy provisions, including language that would overturn the Pentagon’s abortion travel leave rules and restrict medical care for transgender troops.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th September 2023, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1.

It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene.

She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House.

The majority of GOP legislators and none of the Democratic ones.

17th September 2023, 04:45 PM	#1281
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,549	Originally Posted by Resume Dumb *** gonna ** dumb. Emptee Gee still giving Louis Gohmert stiff competition for the dumbest person in Congress. My bet is that she could not even point to Ukraine on a map, making her just one of 84% of Americans who also cannot. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...ut_ukraine_on/
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17th September 2023, 04:57 PM	#1282
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19th September 2023, 05:46 PM	#1284
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,466	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't agree with either of those two statements. As someonw who is a very heavy duty Civil War buff, I fully agree. Grant and Sheridan job was to crush the rebellion, which they did, dictating the post war policy toward the South was not their job. I agree that the failure to secure the rights of Blacks n the South was a disaster for the US, but it was not Grant and Sheridan's ' job to do that at least as far being generals go. Now when Grant was elected President, then it did become his job. And I would like Gulliver to explain exactly what he would have replaced the constituion with. Probably a overwhelming powerfu central govenrment which would have reduced the states of administrative conviences, something which would not sell even today.
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20th September 2023, 12:06 AM	#1285
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,239	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was. Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?
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20th September 2023, 01:19 PM	#1286
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 53,131	Originally Posted by Stacyhs True. I think the Peculiar Institution was dying anyway. The Industrial Revolution would have made slavery financially untenable and it would have ended eventually anyway. But that would not have helped those enslaved then.. Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize. You would have at least a generation more slavery.
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17th September 2023, 04:59 PM	#1283
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

20th September 2023, 02:57 PM	#1287
lobosrul5 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 6,175	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was. .... why should Americans give all that much concern as to where poles are made?! We should make them here!
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21st September 2023, 01:25 AM	#1288
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by Darat Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa? True. And a ****-hole country at that!

21st September 2023, 02:24 AM	#1289
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,503	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize. You would have at least a generation more slavery. Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.
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21st September 2023, 07:01 PM	#1290
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse. Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

21st September 2023, 07:29 PM	#1291
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22nd September 2023, 07:53 AM	#1292
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 53,131	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit. Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?
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22nd September 2023, 08:07 AM	#1293
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 20,803	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization? Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage.
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22nd September 2023, 08:37 AM	#1294
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,696	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage. While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry. Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them. Hans
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22nd September 2023, 09:35 AM	#1295
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22nd September 2023, 01:10 PM	#1296
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization? As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing.

22nd September 2023, 01:15 PM	#1297
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by ZiprHead Unverified. https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...wQ&oe=6512805B I looked it up. It's real.

22nd September 2023, 01:44 PM	#1298
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,466	Originally Posted by ZiprHead Unverified. https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...wQ&oe=6512805B Comparing MTG to a Neandrathal is really unfair to Neadenthrals.
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22nd September 2023, 01:48 PM	#1299
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22nd September 2023, 01:54 PM	#1300
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 20,803	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry. Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them. Hans North Korea is using slave labor to pay for the luxury consumption of their Dear Leader, so that works, too, economically.
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22nd September 2023, 06:47 PM	#1301
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,466	MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this. IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more. And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?
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22nd September 2023, 09:25 PM	#1302
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,743	Originally Posted by dudalb MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this. IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more. And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill? Answe to your question: she has no idea but probably everything.
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23rd September 2023, 03:27 AM	#1303
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,503	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit. The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today.
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23rd September 2023, 03:39 AM	#1304
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,294	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today. I don't really accept that Economics was a primary reason for the South to persist in the practice of slavery. I could have been primary in the early years of the practice, but towards the end I think it had become ingrained into the culture of the southern white experience and became considered an inherent part of southern white psyche. Eliminating slavery was thus seen as eliminating that bit of culture.
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23rd September 2023, 07:47 AM	#1305
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23rd September 2023, 09:28 AM	#1306
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23rd September 2023, 12:03 PM	#1307
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by Stacyhs As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing. Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle The country was slap bang in the middle of the industrial revolution, yet slavery was still profitable enough for its proponents to wage a five year total war over. And slavery is still a big thing today. Originally Posted by Susheel I don't really accept that Economics was a primary reason for the South to persist in the practice of slavery. I could have been primary in the early years of the practice, but towards the end I think it had become ingrained into the culture of the southern white experience and became considered an inherent part of southern white psyche. Eliminating slavery was thus seen as eliminating that bit of culture. Originally Posted by ponderingturtle And something enshrined in their constitution that was also the unifying cause of their existence. I think it would have persisted longer than people want to think. Now the question is with a triumphant confederacy, would they have successfully expanded southward as many planned on Please note that I won't respond to these, not that I don't have a response, but because it is off topic. I don't want to be held responsible for derailing the thread.

28th September 2023, 12:10 AM	#1308
Andy_Ross Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 45,531	Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1. It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene. She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House.
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28th September 2023, 12:20 AM	#1309
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 37,011	Originally Posted by Andy_Ross Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1. It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene. She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House. I guess that's what happens when one party is no longer interested in governing - merely enriching themselves and staying in power (to allow themselves to continue to enrich themselves) - and where the leader of that party in the House is weak, has a tiny majority and therefore has to whore themselves out to retain support. Of course the "adults" in the party could withdraw their support for some of the more outrageous suggestions from the right - but as noted above, they're not interested in actually governing.

28th September 2023, 12:42 PM	#1310
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,719	Originally Posted by Andy_Ross Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1. It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene. She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House. Austin wasn't the only target of the hateful MAGA Morons: Quote: As part of debate on the fiscal 2024 defense appropriations bill, GOP lawmakers approved multiple similar proposals to cut salaries for Defense Department positions they dislike. The Pentagon’s director of diversity and inclusion, the head of the department’s equity and inclusion office, the military’s chief diversity officer, and the assistant secretary of defense for readiness — a transgender woman — were all targeted with amendments that would trim their annual salary to less than $1. Austin, as Biden’s top civilian military leader, was lambasted by Republican lawmakers on the House floor Wednesday for the chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, the military’s recent recruiting shortfalls and COVID-19 vaccine policies during the pandemic. “Many Americans agree: We do not want the United States’ military led by failure, causing us to be weak,” said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green, R-Ga. and sponsor of the Austin salary provision. “We need to pass this amendment.” A proposal to cut Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley’s pay to $1 was also floated by Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., but dismissed by party leaders before Wednesday’s debate. Green’s amendment was approved by a voice vote. Democrats did not press for a roll-call vote which may have prevented the provision from being adopted. However, the pay cut is already unlikely to advance beyond the House, given Democratic control of the Senate and Democratic dissatisfaction with the defense budget bill. Party leaders have already publicly opposed the appropriations plan over Republicans’ inclusion of controversial social policy provisions, including language that would overturn the Pentagon’s abortion travel leave rules and restrict medical care for transgender troops.

28th September 2023, 09:31 PM	#1311
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,219	Originally Posted by Andy_Ross Yesterday the House voted on the Defence Bill to reduce the salary of Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin to $1. It was proposed by Marjorie Taylor Greene. She just wants to see the USA burn and she seems to have the support of a majority in the House. The majority of GOP legislators and none of the Democratic ones.