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26th February 2020, 01:10 PM | #41 |
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26th February 2020, 01:13 PM | #42 |
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26th February 2020, 01:14 PM | #43 |
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I think it's likely that baby will fuss when and if denied the candy, but I think it's unlikely the adults will give baby the candy.
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26th February 2020, 01:18 PM | #44 |
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26th February 2020, 01:22 PM | #45 |
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Clinton derangement syndrome is about the closest parallel if you ask me, with the death list and what not. There was even a small fringe worried he'd declare martial law and thus stay in office. I admit, that had less cause than Trump derangement but this is still Trump derangement. It would take far too many accomplices to actually have Trump stay in office despite losing.
I do worry that he will once again win by a close margin in the electoral college which will result in lots of folks who thought he might refuse to leave deciding he clearly cheated. I'm not that worried, because for the most part they will only complain about it on the internet and there will probably only be a few incidents of violence by a few emotionally unstable gunmen and car drivers who probably will engage in some act of violence regardless of the rhetoric they have available to latch onto. If Trump clearly loses and somehow manages to stay in office for more than a day past his legal term, I will no longer post on this forum and leave the country. If the republicans in the senate support him in an effort to illegal stay in office, I'll give $100 dollars to progressivechristian. These promises are void if all comes down to some screw up in Florida though. |
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26th February 2020, 01:51 PM | #50 |
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Has anybody ******* claimed he would succeed or was it implied that he would at least try? Same question asked above. Save the straw to feed your horses.
No, I don't think that because Trump is a narcissistic ******* moron. He believes that doing it would be what America wants. Outside of the traitors that is... No, I don't think he does know that and until either you or mead provide some form of evidence to support your assertions then you're just barking nonsense. He's openly stated the opposite of what you guys are saying. Because he's a ******* moron. Equally as irrelevant and useless as when you did it. Trump has implied the opposite of what you guys are saying. Then you make opposing claims with no evidence, and when all of the evidence is to the contrary, yet somehow still have the balls to imply the people opposing your argument are in the wrong. It's spectacular. |
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26th February 2020, 02:22 PM | #53 |
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26th February 2020, 02:30 PM | #54 |
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26th February 2020, 02:31 PM | #55 |
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Trump used his Coronia VIrus newsconference to beat up on his favorite whipping boy, the Media.
GOd, the man is incapable of putting his politics and his dislikes aside for one minute. |
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26th February 2020, 02:43 PM | #57 |
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So let us assume that Trump narrowly loses the election in November. He declares that he will not leave office for some reason. The president elect manages to get sworn in anyway, then directs the Secret Service to evict Trump from the White House. Bloodless or not?
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26th February 2020, 02:53 PM | #58 |
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No, I don't think so. I think that he will learn from Denmark, in this case. 1) Sanders has already based most of his ideas of societal change on Denmark, but most people don't know that 2) Mayor Pete was in Copenhagen in 2016 to study bikelanes and returned to South Bend, Indiana, to implement what he'd learned. 3) It's pretty obvious that Trump is going to appoint Ivanka as his successor before Covid-19 kills him, so:
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I have a little fantasy. I'm going to say that it most likely won't happen. If Trump loses the election this year, I fully expect him to rant and rave about voter fraud and whatnot, but when January 20, 2021 rolls around, he'll begrudgingly leave the White House. But my fantasy is, that he refuses to leave, and keeps barking out orders that everybody politely refuses to follow. He shouts louder and louder. Everyone ignores him. He picks up the phone and orders an airstrike against the Capitol. The military officer simply says, "You're not the President anymore, Mr. Trump. I can't do that. " Eventually, the Secret Service, Parks Police or whoever, carry him out the door, kicking and screaming, and unceremoniously dump him in the street. I don't think he's (quite) stupid enough to let it go down this way, but I would relish it if it did.
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"I wish Trump would act out in the ways I always imagined he'd act out" is definitely a mood.
When Trump leaves office and the country is still right where Obama left it, some of us will say, "huh, all that heartburn for nothing." And others of us will say, "yeah, but in my head he's still the WoRsT PrEsiDeNt EvEr! That's all that matters!" |
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That's funny, none of that seemed to cause him even a passing thought when he asked a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. Do you think he doesn't feel like his Republican enablers can obstruct and obfuscate enough to let him get away with lots of things? That's been the pattern so far, why the hell should he stop now? Let me also remind you: Suppose for the moment that the rumors are true and that he has been involved in Russian money laundering for decades, and that he knows that once he's out of office and no longer has the protection of the presidency around him, indictments are coming. So even if he does nothing when he loses the election he will have prices to pay for his crimes. You don't think the desperation to keep the protection of the presidency around him might lead him to do unwise things? |
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This sounds like a betting opportunity: If I understand you correctly, you're saying that if Trump isn't reelected in November, he is going to be all presidential about it, congratulate the new guy, leave voluntarily and not write a single tweet about how the election was rigged against him. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I've said this before, but I think it's likely that in the event Trump loses, he'll kick and scream as you said, rant and rave, and then... resign. If he technically remains in office, I do not see him welcoming a successor for the tour or attending the inauguration. In other words, he's not going to be there until the bitter end. He's too embittered before all of that.
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Several posters have implied he might, but that's actually beside the point. My statement that he could not is simply a point that I think most of us can agree on, and a prelude to what comes next.
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The kicker, though, is that if you actually believed this about how stupid Trump is and how willing to try a coup, you should be looking forward to its inevitable failure and the subsequent dismantling of his legacy, not fearing it. But I suspect you don't really believe it, this is all playing out like it's disaster porn for you. |
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That's not even remotely comparable.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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I never claimed they were comparable. I specifically brought it up to point out you are assuming Trump can be contemplative regarding future effects of his actions. I am simply reminding you that that conflicts with actual evidence.
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Watching the Trump Press conference. Wow, he doesn't have a clue does he? OK, give it to Pence. Actually makes me feel better...
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But it doesn’t. He came out of that just fine.
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No disagreement on that point, however one thing he does know is that once out of office he is not immune to indictments.
I have been sending my suck-up senators (voted for acquittal) lists of counties that do not have extradition treaties with the US, and asking that they pass these along. So far, no response. |
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