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26th February 2020, 05:10 PM | #81 |
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I do have a tough time picturing how Trump will proceed with the traditional White House tour and deep, stimulating walk in the garden with his successor before handing him the keys.
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26th February 2020, 05:21 PM | #82 |
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Why wouldn't they tolerate it? They have tolerated child concentration camps, foreign emoluments, the politicization of the civil service, Trump deliberately ignoring Russian interference in our elections, Trump trying to force other countries to manufacture political scandals against his enemies, etc. Republican apologists keep saying that there are lines the GOP will not let him cross, and Trump keeps crossing them. Personally, I am not holding my breath for the great Republican rebellion against Trump...
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26th February 2020, 05:27 PM | #83 |
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He came out just fine, sure, but it's still an example of his recklessness and absence of contemplative reflection.
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I'm saying he's learned that the Republicans will allow him to get away with stuff. No, I don't think he's a reflective, contemplative person. Yes, he is aware of people that suck up to him that he can take advantage of. Are you being deliberately obtuse? It wouldn't be the first time.
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I wasn't comparing them, as I just explained to you. And I think you give Trump too much credit when you say he knows.
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Axiomatic? Hardly. Many of his cabinet have literally called him a ******* moron. We actually have good evidence he is a moron. We also have good evidence that many people are willfully blind to this evidence. |
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26th February 2020, 05:42 PM | #85 |
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26th February 2020, 05:45 PM | #86 |
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26th February 2020, 05:46 PM | #87 |
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26th February 2020, 06:10 PM | #88 |
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Not.
Trump has already incited the Royalist militias to violence more than once. They're still itching for it. All he has to do is Tweet that they're throwing him out in a 'coup' and they will start again. Or Fox will claim ANTIFA killed someone or there are 'buses of illegal voters' or some other claim. True or not, you'll see lots of progressives, politicians, media, and brown people attacked. Again. And, true or not, some of the 'thinking' conservatives on this board will blame progressives for pushing too hard or not denouncing whoever enough, or the 'punch a Nazi' thing or whatever other flaccid rationalization their media settles on for them. Trump's deplorables already have a non-negligible body count. It isn't in any way unreasonable to think it could happen again. |
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Trump on the corona virus:
"We're very, very ready for this..." Uh oh. Now I know they've got nothing. |
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26th February 2020, 08:28 PM | #92 |
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I think he'll throw a tantrum and crap himself, and have to be sedated by injection. So bloodless, but terribly embarrassing for everyone. I just hope, for the sake of our noble nation and its glorious traditions and holy purpose, that someone catches it all on video and posts it on YouTube. I think the Founding Fathers would have wanted that very much.
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[quote=Stacyhs;13002839]Trump on the corona virus:
"We're very, very ready for this..." Uh oh. Now I know they've got nothing.[/QUOT It truly frightened me that the man responsible for a pandemic response plan is the same man responsible for the Hurricane Maria recovery. |
26th February 2020, 09:25 PM | #95 |
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Re:. Clinton derangement syndrome. I had forgotten just how kooky it got for a while, but that was mostly lunatic fringe.
My wife is a psychologist, and she said some of her anxiety disorder clients did very, very, badly after the election. She had never seen that happen before. As for several of the responses, they are of the form, "He said some really crazy stuff, therefore he might try to illegally take over the government.". It's a variation on the slippery slope fallacy. Does anyone know if it has a more specific name? |
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Who says he needs Covid-19?
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27th February 2020, 12:00 AM | #99 |
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As things now stand, it seems more likely that the outbreak will cost Trump the Presidency.
Americans might be happy to see Chaos in Washington ... but not when they need their government to protect them. |
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If I were his successor, I would invite Obama to the White House to give me that tour and walk.
I would also solicit the involvement of volunteers from among former staffers of the Obama administration to guide my new administration's transition. By all accounts the White House has been run incompetently on multiple levels, and a new administration's priority has to be returning the machinery of the executive to its normal functionality, which will require the expertise of those who were actually present last time it functioned normally. |
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27th February 2020, 12:27 AM | #102 |
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27th February 2020, 12:29 AM | #103 |
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Men in general?! No, not at all. Trump voters in general - men as well as women. And the reason is obvious: Donald's misogyny problem: How Trump has repeatedly targeted women - Female politicians, journalists and actors have faced his verbal abuse, but the sexual allegations cause the greatest disquiet (The Guardian, Oct. 8, 2016) |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The Late Show with Stephen Colbert:
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It would almost be delicious to find that the evangelicals considered this virus to be God's will in removing Trump were a pandemic to erupt and Trump lose this fall. Being more realistic, knowing that lot they'd be more likely to invoke the Devil's handiwork on behalf of the Godless socialists.
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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Imagine what Trump could accomplish in this situation if he had the same gift!
Well, we all know why he left the job to his soulmate, the nincompoop veep: Trump nods at reputation as germaphobe during coronavirus briefing: 'I try to bail out as much as possible' after sneezes (The Hill, Feb. 26, 2020) |
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27th February 2020, 07:26 AM | #114 |
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Where do you place Trump now on the "retard" spectrum?
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What exactly is it you see in him that communicates to you that he A) has the ability to recognize his own potentially self-destructive behavior and B) even if he were capable of recognizing this course of action as self-destructive, that he wouldn't proceed with it anyway driven by his own hubris and narcissism? Please keep your answers specific to Trump's behavior, and not that of a normal person. |
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Okay then, I guess I'll just copy and paste my response to him:
It's weird that you keep trying to map normal human behavior onto Trump. What exactly is it you see in him that communicates to you that he A) has the ability to recognize his own potentially self-destructive behavior and B) even if he were capable of recognizing this course of action as self-destructive, that he wouldn't proceed with it anyway driven by his own hubris and narcissism? Please keep your answers specific to Trump's behavior, and not that of a normal person. Should I await your response or just assume Ziggurat speaks on your behalf? |
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Some of this looks like it belongs more in the "Trump's mental illness" thread.
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I'm not afraid of it at all. I've never expressed fear once in this thread.
Mead and you have gone out of your way to say "don't believe what you hear, believe me when I interpret what he actually means", and I'm guessing you don't think people notice? Whether Trump lies or not doesn't mean his words don't have an impact. They sway the stock market, and the economy in general. People believe the **** he says, and his most ardent followers would have no issue were he to try it. In the cases he's mentioned it, I believe once was at a rally, it was to thunderous applause. Which isn't shocking, it's a rally. Of course it will fail. I honestly haven't seen people denying that but I've seen a great many say that it wouldn't be out of Trump's norm to see him try. Only you and and Mead seem to repetitiously claim that he wouldn't act in that fashion (well, maybe theprestige is mixed in there somewhere too), which would be in contrast to his entire presidency. The burden of evidence is on you guys, and so far Mead has called people mentally ill while making up ******** excuses as to why he's right, and your argument boils down to nothing more than, "nuh uh, he would not". |
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27th February 2020, 07:44 AM | #119 |
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It's not a derangement to say that Trump has issued illegal orders to get his way - the Mueller Report has documented that he has.
The fact that Trump hasn't managed to hire enough (and competent enough) henchman to carry out his autocratic orders doesn't make him less of an autocrat. It's not Trump holding Trump back from becoming a Dictator. |
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