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27th February 2020, 08:00 AM | #121 |
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But this isn't even ultimately a question of what he means. It's a question of what he will do. And you're claiming he may do something incredibly extreme. But it's incredible in the sense that it's not credible. It's not gonna happen.
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27th February 2020, 08:03 AM | #122 |
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So this is all just a giant special pleading. Got it.
The funny thing is, when his presidency is over, a lot of people here are going to act like doomsday cultists when the predicted apocalypse date passes without fanfare. They'll conclude that it was their brave resistance that prevented Trump from doing all the terrible things they predicted he would do. |
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27th February 2020, 08:17 AM | #123 |
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You've made this claim but the evidence is still in contrast to what you're saying. He does extreme **** all of the time. Saying SCOTUS members should recuse themselves, claiming bias from judges because of their heritage, degrading jurors, and using his political office for any ******* reason he wants. That's extreme behavior, you just don't care, but sadly that doesn't change the facts.
No, it's not. He purposefully, and willfully went to another country to request an investigation knowing that it would sway the electoral process by creating a bias against Biden in international news. Who gives a flying **** how long it took him to get rid of Comey and Sessions? They didn't do anything wrong. Why even bother mentioning them? The hell he hasn't. He's using the AG as his personal prosecution and propaganda machine. The ******* Federal Judges are calling a special meeting because of it. Something that hasn't been done because of POTUS interference in cases ever. Continue to make excuses, but don't just make random **** up. He expands his executive power and influence every possible chance he gets. You might say he hasn't created himself any new powers, but he's using his current power in ways that no other POTUS has, and not for good. I'm sure you're going to try and say "I said expand, you're admitting he didn't expand, the powers have been there." Yes, you're technically right, have a cookie. The phrase, "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" exists for a reason. ETA: I realized this phrase was tough to follow. The central point is, he has expanded his powers by using them in ways no other POTUS has ever used them before. While he might have granted himself new powers, in my opinion he's expanding them via testing the limits of what he can do it on several fronts (immigration being at the top). No, I'm not. You're gutter dwelling excuses for his behavior are the only weak aspect of our conversation. Your perpetual excuse making, and denial of Trump's behavior is what's just plain weak. Your dismissal of his behavior is what's just plain weak. ETA: I've never actually claimed he would do it. I've only claimed that it wouldn't be out of his norm, or strange for him to try it. |
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27th February 2020, 08:21 AM | #124 |
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27th February 2020, 08:23 AM | #126 |
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No worries.
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27th February 2020, 08:25 AM | #128 |
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27th February 2020, 08:52 AM | #129 |
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Here's a transcript. (one pop-up)
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27th February 2020, 09:02 AM | #130 |
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No. He has done nothing even remotely this extreme.
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Can the president use existing powers to not hold an election, or invalidate its results, or stay in office past the end of his tenure? No, he cannot. Novel applications of existing powers cannot suffice to accomplish any of that.
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27th February 2020, 09:19 AM | #131 |
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27th February 2020, 09:24 AM | #132 |
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27th February 2020, 09:33 AM | #133 |
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Aren't you the one who should prove your claim that nothing happens?!
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27th February 2020, 09:34 AM | #134 |
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This reminds me of a coworker a year or so ago who was adamant that the wall trump was talking about was a metaphor not some real physical wall because that would be stupid, expensive and ineffective.
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27th February 2020, 09:36 AM | #135 |
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27th February 2020, 09:37 AM | #136 |
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27th February 2020, 09:37 AM | #137 |
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I'm betting the Democrats will see an opportunity for martial law and mass quarantine before the president does. If this thing goes full Outbreak on us, they'll be cursing Trump in the streets* for not taking more drastic steps sooner to curb the spread.
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27th February 2020, 09:39 AM | #139 |
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27th February 2020, 09:39 AM | #140 |
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Aside from the fawning over how great our reaction has been so far I didn't find it that bad. Things aren't that bad as of now, it may get worse, maybe even much worse and we should be prepared. Businesses and schools should look at their disaster preparedness plans.
They will spend as much as is necessary. Maybe it was a little too rosy but in my opinion better than causing a panic. |
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27th February 2020, 09:43 AM | #143 |
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Well, this seems pretty drastic: Trump defends huge cuts to the CDC’s budget by saying the government can hire more doctors ‘when we need them’ during crises (Business Insider, Feb. 27, 2020) |
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27th February 2020, 09:46 AM | #145 |
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Which, of course, isn't even in the ballpark of what I said. I said I haven't made a claim that Trump will or will not battle removal. I have merely said that if he did, it wouldn't be surprising to me or atypical for Trump.
I even said that specifically. Why do you feel the need to strawman my argument? |
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The Trump administration has been cutting funding to the very agency responsible for handling these types of outbreaks. And now he's going on television and assuring everyone that the problem will just go away.
I'm not sure anyone is calling for an all-out panic, but concern that this administration isn't prepared to handle this situation effectively is certainly warranted. Do you disagree? |
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Trump won't need the virus to try to remain in office if defeated. He'll just claim massive fraud and use the courts. Probably starting well before the election.
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I think it would be extremely atypical for Trump to battle removal. More typical would be for him to bluster a lot, comply with removal, and then spin the whole thing somehow as "winning" in his post-fact world.
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Great, we have different opinions. Now what?
I'm not making a prediction and have never claimed to at all. Again, and if I can phrase this more clearly please let me know. I am not saying Trump will battle removal at all. I'm saying if he gets voted out, and he does battle removal it will be both not shocking to me, and not atypical of Trump. That's it. I don't know what he'll do because he's a ******* moron. He might **** do literally anything. |
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Gore did that.
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We passed that exit 30-some years ago.
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Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:
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First, just the fact that we're discussing Trump refusing to concede is very revealing. Everyone from Nancy Pelosi to Michael Cohen have suggested it is a realistic possibility.
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